So, the mixers are expelled from the Bitcoitalk forum, so we can derail their threads 


I don't know what's going on between you, but you two need to calm down. Both of you are doing an excellent job and have introduced some innovations and improvements in the campaigns compared to what some senior managers have set.
Honestly, I liked how you compete to improve campaigns, and I don't mean exclusively increasing payment rates.



Man, to me this looks like Ratimov wrote. This is exactly how he communicated with someone who had a different opinion from him. I'm sure that you can be above that.

If you found what you were looking for, then lock this topic, there is no longer any need for it to be open for discussion.

This is not a good solution. It is necessary to enable them to communicate directly and publicly with their users.
The most frequent complaints about the problem come from newly registered users of the forum and it is certain that they will not come to Meta to check these conditions. How the hell will they know that support is active if the ANN thread is locked?
By limiting communication to PM, the strength of this community is completely marginalized, and it was often of crucial importance for the final and correct solution of certain problems.


Obviously, I went too far with the assumption that you have a guarantee from theymos that Jumbler is in compliance with the new ban and above censorship. My assumption is based on the fact that you will not enter such a complex situation without the official approval of the owner of the forum.
This is not an invitation for trolls, given that the whole thing obviously gives new features to the Bitcointalk forum I would like to hear the opinions of reputable members. Also, don't blame me if this annual event loses its sponsor, I'm not the one who introduced the ban. On the contrary, I am expressly against the mixer-ban rule and I give full support to Jambler and its partners. Finally, to all legal mixers/services.

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If the Sinbad mixer caused all of this, wouldn't the measure of banning the person behind that mixer be sufficient, and every return is considered ban evasion (the rule that, after all, applies to all banned users)?
Even earlier, there were suspicions and links that Sinbad was the successor to Blender, shouldn't the administration have reacted then?

If we are already talking about loopholes, how should we understand Jabler.io, which does not fall under the announced ban?

They are a mixer gateway, connecting investors with "pure" coins and mixer users. Despite all the bans, they are still allowed to remain present, as they are the main sponsors of this year's Bitcointalk Community Awards contest. Even the manager announced their promotional campaign in the future.
icopress says that he asked and received approval from theymos, so I wonder what's going on here. Jabler only offers mixer software, and investors for a certain percentage and that is acceptable for the forum, while ordinary mixers are prohibited.

Is the solution for other mixers to pretend that they are a franchise of a new service?



This may be the background of everything, but then you don't punish everyone and you don't introduce censorship. Some mixers have been around for years without any problems. now they lose that right.

He didn't stay silent, he added you to his distrust list. https://loyce.club/trust/2023-11-04_Sat_05.07h/3435148.html
Judging by the reasons why he did that, obviously an improper use of the trust system.


oops, pardon. I forgot to add that you were on his trust list before that. 

Honestly, I've completely lost interest in reporting spam. I know I don't need to worry about accuracy, but I got the feeling that it became a waste of time, both mine and the moderator's, considering that some obvious off-topic spam posts remained unhandled.
So, just ignore spammers and move on.

Considering theymos' rules, it would be better to have an official consent from him.

Introducing Jambler, it is impossible not to use "forbidden discussion". For example, he strictly forbids linking to mixers, and directories with links to mixers and on Jambler you have a partner page where up to 7 other mixers are linked. https://[banned mixer]/mix-coins.php

I've seen some recommendations to go to the altcointalks.com forum.
This is fun, bitcoin services are moving to the altcoin forum, while on the Bitcoin forum, we can't defend against alt/nft/token spam.


I don't know how this will be feasible, because each of them has forbidden words in the domain name. mixtum, unijoin, mixero, tumbler, yomix... The only thing is that they do everything from the beginning, which means throwing away everything they have invested in their brand so far.

Interestingly, one of the few whose name was not associated with the Bitcoin mixer is Sinbad, who was sanctioned.

@icopress, I see that [banned mixer] is a sponsor this year. It is a service that is a kind of gateway for Bitcoin mixers and this sponsorship is a way of promotion here. I assume that you made this deal much earlier, but now after theymos' update, from 2024 the Jambler service will also be unwelcome on this forum and any advertising of them is prohibited.
You, as the organizer, and all the participants in this contest will violate theymos rules after January 1. Even then, we can expect that thread to be deleted, and let's just hope that there will be no banning of users because of it.

Judging by the previous years, the collection, counting of votes and announcement of the winner always took place at least until the end of January of the next year. The winners will not be able to collect the prize, because it is from advertising mixer-related services, if theymos makes an exception because of this contest, then it opens additional holes, so every mixer will want to make a long-term deal while it is allowed.

So here is the only possibility to return [banned mixer] funds for the contest and to continue without monetary prizes unless a new "eligible" sponsor appears.

I don't think the mixers will change much just to adapt to the nonsensical conditions on this forum. A service that has been working for years, and in the name of which there is a word that indicates mixing, will certainly not ignore the previous efforts and move from the beginning as a new brand.
In addition, they have enough money to advertise on other channels, they will certainly find other ways to reach clients.

I'm more concerned about Bitcointalk and where decisions like this will take us.

Oh, so this is serious? I was convinced that it was an early April Fool's joke. 

I was privately absent from the forum for a few days and this greeted me. A very bad decision by the forum administration and this is nothing but the introduction of censorship. I have read most of the discussion, and I completely agree with PrivacyG and what he stated here. Well, I won't repeat the same things.


The whole idea is wrong and leads to the marginalization of the Bitcointalk community. It is almost certainly leading the forum towards the introduction of KYC and is sliding to become a training ground for Gambling and NFT discussions.

So many loopholes were found in the implementation of this censorship, so it will be very interesting to see how the moderators manage this in practice. Different interpretations will cause new discussions, so it is to be expected that the Meta section will be full of questions about whether any discussion is in accordance with these strange rules. Also, this is expected to cause some new bans, I am of the opinion that for such unclear rules, the forum does not have a sufficiently organized moderation. and so far we have seen that moderators' reactions are only after several months or even years when a ban appeal appears.

Next, LoyceV has already mentioned various threads that contain a collection of scam mixer services. So, the new rule is that they (scammers) can be mentioned and written about, and for example, the mixer who has been here on the forum since 2018 has been expelled.
Should we add an example that the Russian board has a dedicated section for HYIP scams? A separate place for Ponzi, hyip, cloud mining and similar seeds. Nobody got banned for that.

One very important thing. Many non-forum users, when stuck in a problem with a Bitcoin service, come to the Bitcointalk forum to present the problem and ask for help from this community. It has happened in quite a lot of cases that because of the pressure on the forum and maintaining the reputation here, the service is more attentive to solving the problem.

For most mixers, this forum is the only place where they have their official representatives. Now I even think that the investigative authorities do not approve of this decision, because one source of information that they used during the investigation eludes them.

I sincerely hope that the bigger picture will be looked at and this decision will be reconsidered.




It is even possible to register on Google without KYC. It's a bit unbelievable to me that this is a theymos statement. 

I believe up to 60 posts per week will be paid.  
edit: You're serious about this though

Now a serious question, how much will this decision affect your future business?
I assume that the presence on the Bitcointalk forum was a significant part of your service presentation strategy. It is even the only channel for communication through this forum. I understand if it is too early or too public for this kind of discussion.
Looks like you'll need to integrate an affiliate program ASAP though.

As far as I know, Royse777 has a legitimately registered business in which he offers marketing services, including campaign signatures. I believe that when registering his business he had to appear under his real name, so taking into account everything that happens with the "risky" address, he is mostly exposed to potential liability.


One is the escrow address from the signature thread, the other I think was on the site, used only for signatures. It seems that the investigation did not find many things, at least not to the extent that it was in the CM case.

Da nejasno je, kao sto je nejasno sta Binance zahteva od njega. Traze nekakve dokaze, ali ne pise koje.


U sustini vrlo pametna odluka. Ovako je preduhutrio bilo kakvu raspravu da li je forum bilo kako ukljucen u sumnjive transakcije.
Iskreno ne verujem da je bilo nekog kontakta, ali maksimum sta mogu traziti je IP adresa sa koje je pristupano sinbad.io korisnickom nalogu.

Evo i najnoviji update u vezi sinbad servisa. theymos je banovao njihov zvanicni account na forumu, takodje i njihovu onion adresu. Sinbad ANN thread je zakljucan i arhiviran.
Kompletna izjava.



U jednoj od objava se samo spominje Bitcoin adresa povezana sa Sinbad, gde ima sredstava oko 0.35 sto se poklapa sa iznosom koji se nalazi u escrow. Pa je najverovatnije to poveznica. Ako sam dobro shvatio, zadnje punjenje escrow je doslo sa neke druge adrese (ne ista kao do tad) koja je oznacena kao rizicna.

Juce sam radio withdraw sa Binance, ali je u pitanju btc poslat iz nekog drugog placanja, za sad nisam dobio slicna obavestenja.

I was referring to the potential sinbad.io hack. If they are not seized, that is the only explanation for why they have this current page on his site.


I have already expressed my suspicion that the person from the FIDO account has been present on the forum since before because he obviously knows very well how things work here. For example, immediately after creating an account, a copper membership was purchased (paid in Bitcoin). Newbies often don't act like that.

Some twisted things are going on here. They left a similar update on the Telegram channel, but they denied that the service was seized. Is it possible that it is a hack? If so, why did certain authorities immediately publish this news?

In this case, there is also not an extensive and detailed report as there was in the case of CM. Also, I did not find anywhere that any amount of Bitcoin was confiscated, only two addresses were marked and that with relatively small amounts.


I don't think they care about things here, trust ratings, signature campaigns or anything. The account was created only to present certain information and will probably no longer be active.
Although I am quite convinced that the person who wrote those posts from that account, is not the first time on Bitcointalk. I'm quite surprised by the promptness with which they informed us that they had seized someone's website.