What a big fucking hipster sucker.
What, this guy? ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.americanbanker.com%2Fmedia%2Fnewspics%2Fhochstein_marc107X107.jpg&t=664&c=m4rbwCnY7Kda2g) He looks like a charming fellow, full of original style ideas. We've had the pleasure of meeting with Marc here in NYC a few times now (as did a few of you at our Jekyll Island Bitcoin Society Meetup last week). Marc is solid - intelligent, curious, and full of valuable insights. He has a genuine and sincere interest in Bitcoin, and he "gets it" for all the right reasons. A journalist like him, as the executive editor at American Banker, balances out 50 crappy journalists elsewhere writing hit pieces on Bitcoin.
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I mean .. he got about 40 dollars. Christ, how is it worth writing about? When he spends the money at a grocery store, should he write about it too? As much as you might like it to, writing "invalid analogy is invalid" does not make the analogy invalid.
It does not. The analogy is invalid, because a whole article in newspaper can't be compared to forum posts. If he needs to write about mundane everyday things like getting/spending $40 dollars then he apparently doesn't have any interesting topics and should get a different job. You're missing the point. The USD value is irrelevant and doesn't make an interesting story. It's interesting because Bitcoin enables these anonymous donations, with ease, and it creates a new dynamic wherein the journalist is forced to reject payments because of the anonymity. In other words, it demonstrates how different BTC is, where it can be sent across the world to someone who doesn't even want it. It's so easy, it can simply slip over to someone who wasn't ready to receive it.
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Thanks for posting, Gox!
Always good to see openness and professionalism within the Bitcoin community.
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that whole market confuses me....seems almost impossible to find enough usefull info on any stock... and every stock i look at seems to have pathetic dividends...who knows... maybe its just all over my head.
Dividends are always going to roughly be proportional to risk involved. Anything with "highly attractive dividends" will necessarily be very high risk. In the normal finance world, a 10% dividend on a stock which also has large growth potential is an excellent deal. In Bitcoin world, however, people tend to expect returns that are (in my opinion) unrealistic and extremely suspicious. For example, Pirateat40's fund was offering 7% per WEEK. An amazing return... but then he disappeared as we knew he would, and the investors lost everything. Within the Bitcoin world, SatoshiDICE should be considered a reasonable place to park some money, with relative security, and a reasonable return given that security. It will not make you rich overnight... to do that, you need to play SatoshiDICE ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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can any of you shed some light on the probability of SD getting shut down? could such a service run effectively on TOR?
Being that they only deal in bitcoins and do not touch any other currency, I would personally bet on them having a nice long life ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Good luck shutting down the payment processor, its not like a prosecutor can put the squeeze on Bitcoin like they do on visa, mc, or paypal... Correct, and there is no intention of ever accepting or paying normal fiat currency with SatoshiDICE or ever having a bank account. It's Bitcoin only.
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oh look. he got 4 bitcoins! ... so what? why did he have to write an article about it?
oh look. you don't care about his article! ... so what? why did you have to create a post about it? ZING!
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I think the factor of coins lost will be insignificant compared to the number of coins available. But this is just an assumption.. I too am a newbie
I agree with this. People will tend to lose fewer and fewer as they become used to Bitcoin, and as the value per coin goes up. It's only a problem for the person who loses it, anyway.
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So Bitcoin works beautifully in so many ways, but because you think it's not perfect, you'd rather start from scratch than continue building? No system is perfect, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the amazing. Also, what you said about scalability and resource consumption is nonsense ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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I also don't think it's right to call this an IPO when only 10% of the company is up for sale. If evoorhees made >50% equity available for purchase by the public, I'd change my opinion. If you don't want to call it an IPO, then what is it? Seems like IPO is the commonly accepted term that comes closest to describing what this is? Admittedly, normal terminologies aren't perfectly applicable in Bitcoin world. Hopefully the contract adequately informed people what was being offered, what the obligations are, etc. If there's some new term that should be used for such a thing, I'm all ears ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Revolutionary technologies have a tendency of disrupting traditional nomenclature.
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Sorry but I don't see that this supports your claims at all.
I can't currently go into all the details, but my math and screen shots are correct. The screenshot only shows 10% of each deposit. $100 x 10 = $1000 (~100000 yen) minimum deposit. If you don't want to believe me that is fine, but I think my past bitcoin reputation speaks for itself. Feel free to google (Roger Ver Bitcoin) and you will find plenty of background. Roger Ver is Satoshi so you can believe him ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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All money is barter. Almost nobody realizes this, however.
Money is not separate from barter exchange, but rather, it is simply that thing which is most bartered for. The thing people barter most often with is de facto money. Seashells, cigarettes, gold coins, USD paper, bitcoins, etc... these are all things we barter for, and at any given time whichever among them is often used for exchange and trade is simply called money.
This is why it's ironic and somewhat hilarious when certain types of people say, "man, we need to get rid of money and just go back to barter!"
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Very cool! This would be good for a news piece... you listening, journalists??
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Sadly, the killer app for Bitcoin seems to be none other than regional-level mail order illegal drug trade.
Central to the notion of a "killer app" is something which may be as-yet unseen and unknown, but which will revolutionize usage when it comes about. Thus, to say Bitcoin's "killer app" is drug trade, merely because that's a common usage now, is to misunderstand the concept of killer apps. In all likelihood, none of us know what the killer app will be, and indeed there may be many since Bitcoin is such a versatile and enabling technology.
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Random names popping into my head:
Bill Maher
Bleh. Maher can be funny but his actual opinions, typically, are awful.
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.... Meanwhile, since this post went up five days ago, SatoshiDICE has been making so much money that the IPO price is now only a 9x multiple. SD made over 2000 BTC in net profit today, which is almost a tenth of what I'm asking for in the IPO... earned in one day. Maybe I'm pricing this too low :/ Will post updated stats in the google doc tomorrow.
ShireSilver, I guess you missed this "extremely" important update to boost the sales. I just like to know, what has changes in the last week. IPO is still going? Or is it? From the front page: There will be three blocks of shares released: 1) 2 million shares @ 0.0032 btc (Aug 24, Midnight GMT) 2) 5 million shares @ 0.0034 btc (Aug 25, Midnight GMT) - as of today, is this part even completed? 3) 3 million shares @ 0.0037 btc (Aug 26, Midnight GMT) - as of today, never started? Eskimo - you are very snarky. I'll update the stats at the end of the month, it was only 5 days ago that I updated them. Regarding the shares released - the first tranche of 2m is sold out. 4.879m of the second tranche are still available, as are the 3m shares of the third tranche.
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What happens if someone wants to get out of their purchase by selling back at 0.0034 / share, does their order take priority over the unsold IPO shares? Or is everyone stuck with either taking a loss if they want to get out, or waiting?
The offered IPO shares aren't going anywhere. I like the price that it's at, but it's a lot of money/shares, so it may take a while to sell. Perhaps people will wait until they see the new sexy site launched ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Anyone who has shares and wants to sell can list them at whatever price they want. If IPO shares are being sold at .0034 and you have shares you can sell for .0033 and they will be bought first, obviously.
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mathematically provable bets. SatoshiDICE doesn't know the blockchain transaction ID in advance so SatoshiDICE cannot influence the results of my wager. So it is provable mathematically that the house cannot cheat the player. You are describing the situation where if I know the secret before I place the wager, I can cheat the house. Now that the house has investors, you are suggesting that this list of secrets makes it is possible for a party [edit: a party who has access to the secrets] to cheat the house, lowering its profits, which in turn, lowers the dividends for investors. Over enough trials, the chances of that occurring without notice are lowered. There isn't "proof" available to say that this isn't happening but it can be detected pretty easily if it is. Bingo.
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Comparing Bitcoin's value to a company like Google is probably not going to be very useful or informative. However, the price of Bitcoins can very easily surpass $1,000. All it takes for that to happen is for Bitcoin to become widely used in any major niche for which it is useful. If it becomes commonplace for gambling sites to accept BTC, or porn sites, or money remittance markets, or forex sites, etc. Any of these segments, if they utilize Bitcoin in a widespread manner, would justify coins in the $200-$2000 range.
Silk Road itself, if it continues to grow, could justify a Bitcoin price around $100 quite easily.
I think long term there is no way Bitcoin can exist under a price of $500. It might all crash and burn and go to zero (and everyone who hold bitcoins needs to acknowledge this possibility and risk), but if it doesn't, then it'll grow to fill some segment on commerce and will require a price over $500.
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How can you guys be so optimistic when alternatives that remove or strongly reduce the cost of energy to maintain the security of the network are around the corner?
Are you talking about ASIC mining, which basically increases security by an order of magnitude for any given level of energy consumed? ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Abstract the discussion from bitcoins to a USD/EUR transaction.
Exactly. Bitcoins should be treated identical to any foreign currency for any taxation reporting. Companies/individuals receive foreign currencies all the time and accounts know the rules for how to treat this under tax law. Bitcoin is no different for this purpose.
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