^^^ It's not even gravity anymore, Newtonian gravity (1687) was a test to see if you're paying attention to his calculated description of motion and optics or not. He stated outright in his letters that there was a conspiracy of Jews and secret societies. Today and in response to the 1887 M&M experiment it's not "gravity" but relativity (1905). Unfortunately relativity was falsified in 1939 by D&P with their replication of the Sagnac experiment (1913).
You might as well have a 24/7 live-stream from the the Star Trek universe, it's currently got about as much credibility if you read the comments people leave.
''Unfortunately relativity was falsified in 1939 by D&P with their replication of the Sagnac experiment (1913)'' Prove it, I have seen no evidence that gravity has been falsified aside from you saying it, you can't even prove the experiment happened, you didn't do the experiment yourself and you didn't meet Sagnac or the others, you don't even know if they are real, why should you believe it? You think they are faking gravity/space and the whole earth yet believe some written papers on the internet quite easily, don't you think? |
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If we talk in a religious way the main problem is that it's written in the Quran that some kind of people that belief in some kind of religions are like impure and have to die (christian for example), I was watching just yesterday a famous critic in my country that was talking about this topic, he was saying that we've to lucky and find a moderate muslin all around, because if we have only those really chained to what the Quran says we are pretty dead.
There are similar things written in the bible and you don't see christians killing people for working on the sabbath or enslaving people and there are specific rules of how to enslave people written in the bible. The problem are muslims not the quran, their mentality is old, their iq is probably far lower than the average. |
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^^^ But consider, for example. The only way to prove evolution is to go into the past and track the DNA of millions of plants and animals to see if any of them change into other plants or animals. So, we don't know if evolution science is fact. Also, consider the Big Bang. BB Theory uses our modern mat and physics laws to suggest that there was a BB. But BBT says that things were so extremely different right after the BB, that math and physics laws must have been different, as well. So, BBT contradicts itself by saying that BB existed when we have no clue about how to figure out what the operations of BB were with all that different math and Physics. We don't know that BB ever existed. Bible is eye witness reports with power behind them. Science is speculation... or downright science fiction.  ''eye witness reports'' Show me the reports and then show me the evidence those reports are real and they were made by the people who claimed they were made, Ill be waiting here. Now why would I want to do that... show you the reports? You wouldn't acknowledge them even if your knew they were fact. When you are finally destroyed, it will be by your own duplicity. ''even if'' Exactly, there are no reports of eye witnesses mate, there is only the bible which is a book, there is no way to prove the authenticity of the bible, you might even be able to prove the bible was in fact written thousand of years ago but you would still not prove its content is real. |
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.... Weird having a GOP senator that thinks your POTUS is a colluding piece of shit! "I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President. I am also appalled that, among other things, fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia," Mitt Romneyhttps://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/politics/romney-mueller-president-trump-reaction/index.htmlDid the report confirm he colluded with the russians or not? It didn't, therefore you must admit he is innocent, otherwise you are just a biased person and hate trump deeply for some reason. I don't know if it's all the NPC brainwash or what but USA isn't doing too bad after 2.5 years of Trump's presidency, no third world war yet. Technically, a lack of a recommendation to prosecute is not a confirmation of no collusion or its opposite. There's no "need to admit he is innocent," except that we should presume innocence. But the Trump haters don't, they presume guilt. More importantly, what the evidence indicates is multiple attempts to entrap Trump staff and associates into the setup that would create the appearance of collusion, for the purposes of bringing down a sitting duly elected US president. There are numerous indictments coming for these matters. Well, yeah, we should presume innocence but now even more than before, after 2.5 years of no direct evidence of anything, his innocence ''level'' should be higher. I don't know how they can get away with literally lying about the president of the United States, something unheard of, to be honest, I remember 4-5 years ago, no one mocked Obama like they do with Trump, granted you should have the right to do it but still, one thing is mocking, the other is lying and making up stuff about your own president. |
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Well, belief in imaginary beings is a mental illness too, you know?
Yes indeed, fortunately for me I don't believe in imaginary beings.  An Argument for GodI'm sure they think they have their own arguments too and they also don't think they are crazy, transgenders I mean. Unfortunately for you, your argument is dull, has no science behind it and Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem applied incorrectly as already shown before, in fact there is a book about all the people that use ''Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem'' for their own stupid arguments. ''A common misunderstanding is to interpret Gödel's first theorem as showing that there are truths that cannot be proved. This is, however, incorrect, for the incompleteness theorem does not deal with provability in any absolute sense, but only concerns derivability in some particular formal system or another.'' https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel-incompleteness/It's time to stop. |
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^^^ But consider, for example. The only way to prove evolution is to go into the past and track the DNA of millions of plants and animals to see if any of them change into other plants or animals. So, we don't know if evolution science is fact. Also, consider the Big Bang. BB Theory uses our modern mat and physics laws to suggest that there was a BB. But BBT says that things were so extremely different right after the BB, that math and physics laws must have been different, as well. So, BBT contradicts itself by saying that BB existed when we have no clue about how to figure out what the operations of BB were with all that different math and Physics. We don't know that BB ever existed. Bible is eye witness reports with power behind them. Science is speculation... or downright science fiction. ''eye witness reports'' Show me the reports and then show me the evidence those reports are real and they were made by the people who claimed they were made, Ill be waiting here. |
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Gays are ill?
I think you are ill, but I repeat myself.
You don't know how I feel? I feel we should live in a society were all members of society are protected (under the law) and are free from discrimination (that includes you btw). If they are not, it is our duty as good people to change the law so they are protected.
Even if trans are mentally ill (which I don't think they are) you should not refuse them your service, just like (I hope) you would not refuse your service to people who are Atheists or suffer from Autism or Down Syndrome.
That is how I feel on this issue.
Regarding any religious mythologies, you know my position. I view them as an ancient, cultural tradition, a political relic that has no place in a progressive society driven by science, medicine, engineering, and technology.
To be fair, gender dysphoria might be a disease, there is science that says so, however if we are talking only on discrimination, then no, obviously no one should discriminate other people even if it's a mental illness, actually because it might be a mental illness, they shouldn't be discriminated ever at all costs, you are not supposed to mock mentally ill people. All human beings are ill. The only difference lies in the severity of the illness. One man might suffer from occasionally feeling down another might be so depressed he cannot hold down a job. When the illness is severe we categorize it box it off and call it a disease but reality is a spectrum. So yes gays are ill so are all the heterosexuals. The severity of the overall illness will depend on the the individual. We don't always agree on what constitutes normal healthy variation and what behaviors are destructive. When a disagreement like that arises its is the result of ignorance a failure of one party or often both to accurately assess the the reality of the situation. Discrimination is always an evil for every individual deserves to be evaluated on their own merits not based on arbitrary groupings. However, occasionally discrimination is an unavoidable evil due to imperfect human knowledge and society. Take pedophiles for example. Even after they have completed their jail terms and paid their debts to society we don't let them live near elementary schools. We know that the rate of repeat offenders among individuals with that particular illness is high and have no way of knowing with certainly who will fall back into crime so we discriminate against them all to protect innocent children. Is that ideal no the ideal would be certain knowledge that the offender was cured or not but we don't have that. When you deny reality and demand others not challenge that denial there are always going to be consequences. That is what you are really aiming for here with your "equality law" for gender dysphoric individuals. In addition to being a potential tool to attack religious freedom it would also discriminate against biological women. It would destroy women sport a process that is already well underway in liberal parts of the country. You should watch the video of the 16 year old teenage athlete in the following story. Denial of reality is insanity. If you claim to ground your worldview in science af_newbie you should acknowledge that. https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2019/04/21/female-athlete-speaks-out-against-transgender-equality-act/The answer to how to deal with human illness is found in the New Testament as so many words of wisdom are. We should treat each human life as inherently and innately valuable regardless of any disease it may suffer from. Each human being is a precious and child of God and deserving of the dignity and respect that status accords. We should also treat each of our fellow brothers and sisters as we would want to be treated if we stood in their shoes. Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, what is the most important commandment in the Law?”Jesus answered: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. This is the first and most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like this one. And it is, “Love others as much as you love yourself.” All the Law of Moses and the Books of the Prophets are based on these two commandments."If we follow that approach any errors we make will be those of ignorance not intent. I may for example try to help the drug addict by getting him into treatment before he is ready and push him away when what he really needs is to be left alone and hit rock bottom first before he is ready to quit but that is an error of ignorance my not knowing the best way to help him. As we grow in knowledge as individuals and as a species errors of ignorance will decline if our intent remains pure. You should certainly not refuse to help an individual suffering from gender dysphoria if you can just as you should help an atheists or someone suffering from autism or down syndrome. In fact it is our duty to try and help those individuals. That is what I am doing right now. I am trying to help you. Writing this post is certainly not a profitable use of my time. As unpleasant as it may be helping someone sometimes requires us to highlight the error in their false beliefs. Well, belief in imaginary beings is a mental illness too, you know? |
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^^^ Thanks, man. It makes sense, though. People have been around a lot longer than vaccines, and in better health. It's basically poor higeine that makes people sick in a way that does real damage. ''It's basically poor higeine that makes people sick in a way that does real damage.'' Right, it's poor hygiene that spreads viruses and other diseases. How come in big cities people have the cold like 2-3 times per year with such a great hygiene compared to other countries and yet the rates are the same for both countries? Hygiene alone will simply not be able to get rid of certain viruses or diseases, no matter how good it is since they can spread simply by coughing or sneezing or touching another person. Large amounts of vitamin D3, vitamin C, and the Omegas will take care of 90% of the simple colds and flu, etc., if there is proper hygiene. Oh the old Vitamin C myth, seems like you didn't do your homework on this one, all vitamins will help against colds, Vitamin C is not special and taking vitamin C will not make you immune to colds, no matter how proper the hygiene is, you can't avoid coughing or sneezing, even if you stop them with your hands/arms, it will still leak, it's simply impossible to stop them even with perfect hygiene. Get over it. If it's so easy, why haven't we stopped it yet? |
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Peace and love is what the world need, religion is one of the institutions that divide the world and religion estrimist is what result into conflict and at that breed crisis, once there is live the world will be a better place for all of us.
True, religion does nothing for us, sure it's an easy way to escape reality but in the end it's just a dream because reality will hit you eventually and you will die, eventually, then no heaven, no after life, nothing and you might have just wasted your life praising something that doesn't even exist. |
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The United States of Russia, Congrats USR you're criminally justice obstructing POTUS and his campaign were actively working with Russians to affect the your elections in Trump's favour!
The report was pretty clear in saying that Trump and his campaign were NOT working with Russians... Weird having a troll for a moderator. Sort of fun depending on how you look at it I guess. As his punishment I suggest he read every page of the report. Weird having a GOP senator that thinks your POTUS is a colluding piece of shit! "I am sickened at the extent and pervasiveness of dishonesty and misdirection by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the President. I am also appalled that, among other things, fellow citizens working in a campaign for president welcomed help from Russia," Mitt Romneyhttps://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/politics/romney-mueller-president-trump-reaction/index.htmlDid the report confirm he colluded with the russians or not? It didn't, therefore you must admit he is innocent, otherwise you are just a biased person and hate trump deeply for some reason. I don't know if it's all the NPC brainwash or what but USA isn't doing too bad after 2.5 years of Trump's presidency, no third world war yet. |
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^^^ You make unsubstantiated claims to support your spinning clown world, and I provide experimental results that falsify relativity and establish a stationary Earth. Who's to say what's right, your passion for balls in motion at the cost of empirical measure or, actually following the scientific method?  You make unsubstantiated claims to support your deluded view of the world, I provide hundreds of different experimental results that falsify the flat earth, not only that but livestreams 24/7 of the earth from space. All the scientific theories follow the scientific method, dummy. Established scientific theories like gravity you knucklehead. Can you even read? |
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Funny this thread is filled with people wearing sigs pretending to care about the spam  |
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^^^ Thanks, man. It makes sense, though. People have been around a lot longer than vaccines, and in better health. It's basically poor higeine that makes people sick in a way that does real damage. ''It's basically poor higeine that makes people sick in a way that does real damage.'' Right, it's poor hygiene that spreads viruses and other diseases. How come in big cities people have the cold like 2-3 times per year with such a great hygiene compared to other countries and yet the rates are the same for both countries? Hygiene alone will simply not be able to get rid of certain viruses or diseases, no matter how good it is since they can spread simply by coughing or sneezing or touching another person. |
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Everybody knows that "experiments and science" are not the same thing as books. So, what you say is useless. The point is that experiments and science used on the Bible, how it came about, the people who wrote it, the prophesies that are fulfilled in it, the continual archaeological excavations, and much more, are all showing that the Bible is the truth. But here is the most important thing of all. Are atheists human? Are Christians human? Are Muslims human? There are way more people believing in God than those who do not believe in God in some form. This shows that science that is against the Bible is just another religion. Btw, the whole legal and law system in the USA is based on the British one, which is based on the Bible. Research it. It's the atheists who are the false religion, and science is proving it all over the place. Atheism is a made-up lie that is against God and against people in general. ''how it came about, the people who wrote it,'' what about them? ''the prophesies that are fulfilled in it,'' None ''the continual archaeological excavations'' Which ones? Oh come now. You are turning scientific investigation into a religion. And you are claiming outrageous things without any evidence, you think that fulfilling prophecies make a book true? So if I write a book now, I write a few prophecies that turn out to be true, does that mean everything I wrote is also true? Nope, that's a fallacy, it doesn't work like that. Since you won't accept evidence and proof that oppose the desires of your heart, there almost can't be any presenting of evidence and proof to you. Consider this book: it has 10 prophecies and 20 other claims like, god is a flying spaghetti, water can be turned into blood if you clap your hands 20 times and believe in the spaghetti god and others. If some of those ''prophecies'' turn out to be true, would you also believe all the other claims? Shouldn't all the claims be tested separately? |
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[not]Batman, you still haven't answered my question.
Lets say the earth is flat and the hiding is a major conspiracy. What would the "conspirators" benefit be from such behaviour? Why it would be hidden, if it were true?
This theory does not make any sense whatsoever, true or not. It doesn't affect our everyday lives.
FTFYI answered that question a few posts back. ^^^ We're inside an engineered high-tech structure. TPTB would prefer that you believe that there is no architect, no engineer, no builder, nobody "above" them, nobody higher, nobody more powerful, nobody more wise. They want to be your gods.
Your claim that it doesn't matter is false.
Their behavior as you put it is the result of being corrupt. When everything a person believes is garbage it makes them easier to exploit. In the eyes of the deceived the deceivers gain god-like powers and can perform miracles and such because the deceived' understanding of how things works is backwards, upside-down, inverted, mislead or just plain wrong. The fine details of their criminal motives matter not, we are being lied to and need to deal with it. If you didn't have to pay for gas or electricity would that effect your everyday livelihood? Your beliefs about how things work matter and can be exploited by criminals. ^^ discrediting Einstein, Newton and hundreds more, it's game over for the flat earth, there is no credible argument for the results of those 2 brilliant scientists and the hundreds more to confirm them, admit your loss. |
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Laws change my friend. So be ready to obey the new laws or face the piper.
You are against the bill that would prohibit discrimination based on gender identity and sexual orientation.
And you asking me what is wrong with your opposition? I bet you would be for segregation laws back in the day, for the same reason.
You are a bigot. A horrible human being.
You can redeem yourself by supporting a law that will criminalize discrimination. Be a better man than your 'God'.
Ha ha tell me how you really feel af_newbie. I guess laws only matter to you if you agree with them. So much for all your talk about respecting the collective determination of which actions are causing harm. Looks like you have some other metric you are choosing not to share with us. Interesting that you now turn to name calling and offering redemption if I repent. You really fit right in with today's radicalism don't you. If we were on a less freedom loving forum like twitter or facebook you or someone like you would probably go complaining to the moderators at this point attempting to get me kicked off the platform for the horrific "hate crime" of disagreeing with your goals to transform society and the law into your Utopian ideal. The honest truth is that you are the one participating in the horror by encouraging your fellow human beings to their self-destruction. Gender dysphoria is a disease. It is a very serious behavioral condition with definite health consequences. One in seven biological men who identify as transgender women have HIV. That number rises to 44% among blacks. About half of biological women with gender dysphoria will attempt suicide. https://www.breitbart.com/health/2019/04/20/cdc-one-seven-transgender-women-have-hiv/These poor individuals are very very ill. They need help learning to live with and dealing with a biological reality they wish did not exist. Affirmations that their condition is wonderful and normal does them a tremendous disservice. That said I would consider supporting your bill if you added in language that also prohibited discrimination based on religious beliefs, allowed for faith based consciousness objections, and included protections for private employers to run their business in accordance with their faith based principles. I doubt you would be on board with that though. The goal of most extremist when seeking this kind of legislation is to obtain weapons to use against their political and ideological opposition not to defang government or increase freedom. Gays are ill? I think you are ill, but I repeat myself. You don't know how I feel? I feel we should live in a society were all members of society are protected (under the law) and are free from discrimination (that includes you btw). If they are not, it is our duty as good people to change the law so they are protected. Even if trans are mentally ill (which I don't think they are) you should not refuse them your service, just like (I hope) you would not refuse your service to people who are Atheists or suffer from Autism or Down Syndrome. That is how I feel on this issue. Regarding any religious mythologies, you know my position. I view them as an ancient, cultural tradition, a political relic that has no place in a progressive society driven by science, medicine, engineering, and technology. To be fair, gender dysphoria might be a disease, there is science that says so, however if we are talking only on discrimination, then no, obviously no one should discriminate other people even if it's a mental illness, actually because it might be a mental illness, they shouldn't be discriminated ever at all costs, you are not supposed to mock mentally ill people. |
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Why do people follow stupid religions is the important question. One thing is true though, there are not radical christians anymore or they are really few compared to radical muslims, the bible contains a lot of stupid and crazy shit too, god himself commanded other people to kill people for working on the sabbath so if they wanted they could follow that too, however they don't. Muslims on the other hand do follow their crazy laws, sometimes, obviously not all of them but still, compared to christians and others it's quite the difference.
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Are you allowed to use autoclick if you have captcha removed?
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^^^ Discrediting the inventor of the oscilloscope isn't going to fly, it's game over for relativity. There's no credible argument against the results of the 1887 M&M experiment; the Earth is motionless.
I'm sorry but shouldn't you have to prove first such experiment even happened? I ask you again, how do you know that experiment happened and why do you trust the results if you yourself can't verify them? Aren't you doing exactly what you claim we are doing? |
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Everybody knows that "experiments and science" are not the same thing as books. So, what you say is useless. The point is that experiments and science used on the Bible, how it came about, the people who wrote it, the prophesies that are fulfilled in it, the continual archaeological excavations, and much more, are all showing that the Bible is the truth. But here is the most important thing of all. Are atheists human? Are Christians human? Are Muslims human? There are way more people believing in God than those who do not believe in God in some form. This shows that science that is against the Bible is just another religion. Btw, the whole legal and law system in the USA is based on the British one, which is based on the Bible. Research it. It's the atheists who are the false religion, and science is proving it all over the place. Atheism is a made-up lie that is against God and against people in general. ''how it came about, the people who wrote it,'' what about them? ''the prophesies that are fulfilled in it,'' None ''the continual archaeological excavations'' Which ones? Oh come now. You are turning scientific investigation into a religion. And you are claiming outrageous things without any evidence, you think that fulfilling prophecies make a book true? So if I write a book now, I write a few prophecies that turn out to be true, does that mean everything I wrote is also true? Nope, that's a fallacy, it doesn't work like that. |
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