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9681  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Government should sue these companies for not listing all their ingredients on: December 22, 2020, 10:04:49 PM
america: pop 320m
china: pop 1.3b

badeckers failure of understand capitalism is such that if i said pepsico had 45 US republicans employed to try help advertise pepsico to americans.. he wouldnt even care
but where there is another country that also drink pepsi. he is shocked that 45 chinese are involved

im more shocked that its not more then 45.
after all 1.3billion people need to be influenced to drink more of that black fizzy soda

maybe he is jealous because he cant find 45 higher-up republicans to join his conspiracy cult
is that it badecker? pepsi has more influential people than your cult

whats your next conspiracy? let me guess.. warren buffet must be socialist because he likes a cocacola??

..
if you are going to continue crying about capitalism. atleast come out and say your anti-capitalism. stop flip flopping as if you have bi-polar. one minute crying next minute celebrating.
9682  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 22, 2020, 09:10:39 PM
Btw I've already met people that are having their 3rd infections already.
Shit, really? Do they get sick every time or just no symptoms?

I don't know everybody's full story but some people I met told me they showed no symptoms during their first infections and then they start to feel different kind of filth like shortness of breath, dizziness that doesn't go away etc during  or after their 2nd infections. 2-3 guys told me they are having their thirds but i don't know if they are lying really. I think it is possible because the immunity we build after having the infection only lasts 2-3 months as far as I know.

sorry but most people just dont randomly go and get tested for the pure hell of it.
so saying they had it but didnt realise because no symptoms.. sounds like they never had it but pretending they did to get a fortnight off work/fake it to get sympathy/be the center of attention.

also IF they did have it first time. then the second time the symptoms would be less. due to the immune system remembering how to fight it from the first time..

so if anything their supposed second time is actually their first. and their third would be their second

if they truly had it 3 times.. they would be put into some study and their results of their 3 tests would have been made public

heck even those with test confirmed 2nd infection are public info. so i doubt those you talk to had a 3rd infection
9683  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 22, 2020, 08:51:35 PM
pcr testing is not an off or on.. pcr testing is a scale. where if the scale goes over a threshold then its deemed as not positive

so more cycles passed the threshold become pointless

yes the 35-40 is a grey area of do they have enough virus to be negative or positive of infection.
but when people have 15-35 its clear they have it.

this threshold is worked out by looking at the number of people that never develop symptoms.
yep they actually tested random people that came into contact with sick people and followed up with them for weeks after asking if they had symptoms or not.

they found a pattern those below 35 had symptoms to a varying degree where those with 25 had more noticable symptoms.. where as those 40+ never had symptoms

the asymptomatic group is in the 35-40 range (symptoms so subtle they dont even notice it)

there actually is a scale and its not an on-off..
after the pcr test.. a simplified kid proof explanation is then made with a simple yes or no
but this is a report summary and not the initial PCR result.

by the way you ignorant and lazy man. it only took a few minutes to look at post history to see the info you repeatedly asked for, you would find it. here is one example:

anyway.. just one example
human sample
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31978945/
more detail https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7092803/

then the passing the sample to another lab to then do the koch test to confirm
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2020/02/28/2020.02.07.939389.full.pdf

if you just use your post history you will find other occassions where i provided you with info
if you just use google and google something like "covid19 mice" "covid mink" "covid ferret" you will find lots more

instead of wasting weeks asking for info.. actually try remembering the info already handed to you. and then look for info
learn to use google

as for wanting hand written notes.. sorry but your spiralling mentality would never dox yourself to then have any such notes posted to you. so stop asking for stupid things you will never want sent to you

if you have any questions about the studies. the studies include the names and contact details of those doing the tests. so contact them..
you have no excuses now to be ignorant. its now upto you to read and learn
9684  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 22, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
- The point isn't isolating the virus. The point is, Where is the record of the isolation process being carried out, in scientific notation format, directly from a notebook that the isolating scientist used, so that anybody can see that it was really done. And more importantly, where us the video record? I mean, nowadays everybody makes videos of something as important as this. So, where can we go to find the real isolation being done?

Don't tell me that you have the source notebook or information,

Lack of research by Kaufman? Don't you even realize how many scientists there are in the world? Don't you realize that finding the hidden isolation info is something that you, yourself, haven't been able to do

its 2020 not 1920.
scientists make their notes and show their processes in computers. not paper.
those reports are actually available i even linked you a few.

you like to stick to historic events.. well then check your post history and stop being lazy
you keep playing this ignorant game. so just look at your post history for reminders

..
as for you stupid assumptions about the cycles
the more you cycle it does not make you be seen as having more virus.. its actually the opposite. the more you need to cycle it the less virus you have
meaning no point cycling it 50-100-100-1000 times
cycling it more then 40 has no purpose

someone with a CT of say 15 is highly infectious at the peak of their sickness. someone asymptomatic or pre or post symptomatic wont have a ct of 15.. but instead something in the 30's
someone with say 25 will be symptomatic aswell. but unable to know if its pre-post peak.
someone with say 35+ will probably be asymptomatic. but unknown if its pre-post symptomatic. or if its someone that is asymptomatic throughout.
someone with 40+ would be defined as negative.

this number combined with other diagnostic info will then come together.
EG if someone had ct35 but tested only 1 day of a confirmed close contact.
     - it wont be post symptomatic or post infection
     - it would be pre-symptomatic/asymptomatic. requiring monitoring for 14 days to see if symptoms develop.
     - they would need to isolate to prevent the risk of them passing it on

EG if someone had ct35 but tested 25 days after close contact. where they had symptoms 10 days earlier
    - they would be post symptomatic/post infection
    - they would require to finish off the last 4 days of isolation

EG if someone had ct35 but tested 25 days after close contact. where they had no symptoms
    - they would be asymptomatic

EG someone had ct25 but tested 3 days after close contact
   - they would be presymptomatic

EG someone had ct25 but tested 25 days after close contact.
   - they would be over the worse of their symptoms and in recovery stage

..
a PCR test also looks for human dna as a separate measure to then separate the sample material. and also as a way of knowing if the swab test was effectively done in the nose/throat

if a pcr test shows no human dna and no virus. then obviously the swab was not done properly
and a request to have the person re-swabbed would be done
9685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHY DOLLARS on: December 22, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
religion is the foundation of civilisation

Religion is a method of social control. And an extremely effective one, too, particularly in early civilisations. God as an invisible policeman. You don't need someone to constantly be checking up on you to make sure you are obeying the laws and being a good citizen... not if God can see everything you do, and punish you for your transgressions. Create a God, create some God-given laws, sit back and watch everyone behave as you want them to.

add in the other benefits of:
cant defund "god"
cant protest "god"
cant sue "god"

so as you say the real law makers get to 'sit back and watch everyone behave as they want you to'
9686  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you think COVID19 is a scam? on: December 22, 2020, 03:22:45 PM
Quote
Why PCR Tests Are the Wrong Tool to Assess Pandemic Threat

We now know that PCR tests:
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1.Cannot distinguish between “live” viruses and inactive (noninfectious) viral particles and therefore cannot be used as a diagnostic tool — For this reason, it is grossly misleading to refer to a positive test as a “COVID-19 case.”

a virus is not 'alive' it is just genetic code wrapped up in a ball.


2.Cannot confirm that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms as the test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

they actually have. they have isolated the virus so in samples the only thing left in the sample is the virus. then they put these samples into other animal specimens and seen their reaction.
when the reactions in the animal species match the reaction in humans they can determine the causal relationship.
the koch rivers and bell test was done many many months ago. about the same time as your stupid conspiracy sites were saying it had not been done.
your script from kaufman in march-april was based on his (lack) of research in january february. where he said america did not do their own tests to validate the asian tests. but in january there were no cases in america.. however by february there were and america did do the tests using their own methods. which did validate the asian tests. so kaufman in march using bad outdated research from january was instantly debunked.
yet idiots like you and badecker are quoting the debunked stuff in december.. because you idiots dont do your own research before repeating crappy scripts from your crappy sites


3.Have not been established for monitoring the treatment of 2019-nCoV infection.
doctors treat the symptoms. a PCR test takes 24 hours so repeatedly testing someone every 6 hours. and waiting 24 hours to get the results of the test 4 tests ago is not a good way to treat someone. doctors instead treat the symptom the patient is suffering at that minute. not the result of something 24 hours ago

4.Have exceptionally high false result rates — The higher the cycle threshold (CT) — i.e., the number of amplification cycles used to detect RNA particles — the greater the chance of a false positive.

the PCR process works
the inconsistances are based not on the PCR but on:
if the swab is not inserted and rubbed against the insides of the nose/throat well enough
if the person being tested is tested too early or too late into their infection

these are human factors and nothing to do with the PCR equipment
EG someone being swabbed on day 1 of infection may have a CT of 38 because its not yet incubated.
whereas if they were swabbed again on day 6 they would have a CT of 26 due to it having time to incubate in their body
so being told a 'negative' at day one but then presenting with symptoms at day 7 does not mean the PCR equipment is faulty. it means the human decided time to get tested was wrong

this is why most countries. when they track and trace people that come into contact with sick people. they do not test them on day 1. they suggest arranging a test at day 5 or having a test if they have symptoms to make sure what they have matches the known isolate.

its also why PCR tests are done by appointment where people go to a location where they will be swabbed by someone that has been trained to insert the swab and rub the nasel/throat passage properly
..
the only times there have been errors with the PCR equipment is when foolish humans mix up the chemicals and create bad batches of reagents. but this is where in march better processes were put in place to use and test the batches of reagents and use disposible pippettes to avoid cross contamination..
.. again this is something sorted out in march. where again your old outdated scripts are now debunked

a good example of getting a good swab is using the same forensic protocol as CSI. a bad example is the guy that was touching a swab and then put it in cola and then not using any reagants and not waiting for the time to pass. (yes the guy that said cola has covid dun goofed and failed his own experiment)

5.Not peer reviewed.

While any CT over 35 is deemed scientifically unjustifiable,2,3,4 the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend running PCR tests at a CT of 40.5
it has been peer review. PCR tests are not new. the tech has been around for along time. its used in forensic science to find dna of criminals via swaps taken at a crime scene
the process of isolating dna and RNA has been proven
and as said the bell rivers koch has proven what they have isolated causes the covid symptoms
its been peer reviewed in hundreds of countries by thousands of doctors.
.. again when america done the bell, koch rivers in february to validate the asian tests in december/january this is what peer reviewing is. following the example and if the same result happens. then the process is right
some countries also used different processes which backed up the end result.

as for the CT. they dont run the tests 100 - 1000 times like you conspiracy nuts say
and that 35 is not an exact figure/threshold. so they run it a couple more times just to be sure

Drosten tests and tests recommended by the World Health Organization are set to a CT of 45. These excessively high CTs guarantee the appearance of widespread (pandemic) infection when infection rates are in fact low
they dont guarantee an appearance

9687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHY DOLLARS on: December 22, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
religion is the foundation of civilisation

civilisations existed before "god"
farming and trade is the backbone/foundation of civilisations.
which is based on greed and gluttony

way way before egyptian pharaohs (men pretending to be gods by wearing animal masks)
many tribes around the world would imagine their kings/clan leaders by an animal. whereby it would describe the features/personality of their clan leader. EG strong as a bear. cunning as a wolf, as swift as an eagle
this evolved into fangirlism of certain leaders

then they found that these leaders get hate from those that dont fangirl and many leaders got slaughtered if their rules/orders were bad.

this evolved into leaders saying they hear messages from animal entities that give them their strength/will/orders... thus avoid being the rule maker and just being the rule messenger.
this involved to them being 'beings'/entities each with its own personality.. and evolved into more humanised beings/entities

even 'god' is deemed as 2 personalities.. the entity of forgiveness and love.. the entity of smite and fear

this then let them make the rules without getting the repercussions of the rules. because they are just messengers

its like senators that make the rules pretend they didnt make the rules due to it being "a senate" decision. where by "the senate" is to blame not the senators individually.. even though all the senate is. is a room of senators

once you get pased the fangirlism of stories wrote before you were born you start to see that modern man created the rules and just shifting the blame

the dollar was created by colonians that came to north america.
it was not made by god
9688  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WHY DOLLARS on: December 21, 2020, 04:40:21 PM
"god" is a nonexistant entity used as n excuse for people to do as they please without blame
eg when things go wrong "god done it"

so while some idiots think the dollar is sacred due to linkage to "god", those actually producing money can mess around and do as they please because the idiots will blame god not the money producers.

same wit laws.. priests made laws but presented those laws as campfire stories which then became a storybook known as a bible. so while priests are making the rules they tell idiots that god made the rules. that way idiots cant rebel/protest against the priests.

if anyone tells you 'god done it' or 'its gods will' ask them for the bank account records the contracts the video footage of "god".. they wont provide it
9689  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: December 21, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
Microbiologist Dr Sucharit Bhaki
https://youtu.be/w0YJCQqvF6g

he has never treated a patient in his life.
he is a professor. not a medical doctor

he retired years ago so has no hands on knowledge of covid.
his book is just an edit of his old conspiracy book from 2006

i guarantee you he has never actually looked at covid under the microscope. so all his rants are just politics
9690  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: December 21, 2020, 03:27:55 PM
uk lockdowns are in response to hospitalisations. not due to asymptomatic infections.
the UK lockdowns are more about the view that people are not following the current guideance at advisory level eg 'if you can work from home do so' and so if people are not bothering to stay home if they can.. eventually they will be made to..


Well of course they are for deaths/hospitalizations. Even when the UK was top 5 in deaths per capita, they didn't necessarily have lockdowns in place. Even top doctors in the U.S. say asymptomatic people aren't the ones that act as super spreaders (which also makes me wonder why it's so important to mask up if you're asymptomatic, but that's another discussion).
there is a difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic
they actually done a study back in march and first thought that it was ~50% asymptomatic. however further analysis showed that the study only checked if the person had symptoms at the time of testing. and not following up with them over the following week to see if they later develops symptoms. so in the new study which did include follow ups. only 17% were asymptomatic and the other 32% did develop symptoms later but were just being tested too soon.

so here is the point. in the first 5-12 days you might be incubating the virus and then aspirating it out before your symptoms begin in 82% of cases. so its not about only wear a mask at day 5-12 when you start getting symptoms
its instead wear a mask before you have a chance to get infected. hense never getting it. or also protect those around you if you did get infected but dont realise it yet.
those with symptoms should stay home. if they are still mingling in public then they are irresponsible.
masks are for prevention of getting it/passing it on without knowing, as is social distancing. self isolation/staying home is about preventing you passing it on when you know u got it, or suspected of having it due to being a close contact.

you could run a real life scenario
pick 5 people. and tell them if they do come into close contact with someone either by accident or on purpose to spray paint a colour on someones back. and advise then to try not to come into contact. but if they o to then tell that person the same advice.
then give those 5 people a different colour spraycan to use

after a month. you can then look at a populations back and count how many of which colour. and then know which group are more idiots and ignorant. just by counting their backs

it does not mean that the colour is more dangerous. it just means the people that come into contact with each other in that cluster-colour are more ignorantly dangerous

I'm curious, what is your solution if people don't follow lockdown regulations? Jail them? Fine them?
most countries already have provisions to fine people. then if you dont pay the fine and keeps ignoring the rules their fine increases.. if there is no intent to pay then you could be locked up

other ppossibilities like those who are supposed to be self isolating get a 'welfare' call 2 random times a day. and if they dont answer their home phone. they obviously breached the rules by not being home to answer.
thus a fine is posted out to them.
obviously if they do answer. they get the benefit of speaking to someone and also the welfare service should be to check how they feeling and also organise any 'foodbank' provisions if their kitchen pantry is empty
ensuring they have everything they need to not venture out.
(asian countries done this with physical checks at the door each day. but id concede a phone call can be just as effective without being too laborious/invasive of personal lives)

as for not wearing a mask in close proximity locations (train/bus/grocery stores) have lots of masks spare to just hand them out to people. and if people then avoid even that. they have no excuses left. and told to leave the location. if they protest and refuse to leave. then call the cops.
i dont believe in just calling the cops if you see someone without a mask. i beleive in giving them a chance via giving them a mask. then give them no other excuses or leave location. and if then they refuse. then call the cops as thats then trespassing.

things like the london train station scenario. should have had more station employees managing how many people are allowed into the train station in the first place. heck they should have for months had extra carriages per train to allow people to have some form of personal space between them and the next passenger
9691  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SpaceX and the prospects of Mars colonization. on: December 21, 2020, 02:51:08 PM
Elon is not doing a colonisation project.

he is the taxi service for others
he is also providing the drills and solar panels

so to him it doesnt matter if the people managing the colonisation succeed or fail. they already bought the equipment

EG
in the wild west. when a township sells, wagons, tents. pickaxes to a group. where the group then go west to mine for gold.. the township dont care if the group find gold or survive the cold winters. as they already got paid. "next customer please"

9692  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: December 21, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
It is clear why the patents exist for the virus.
The future of humanity is at stake, Dr. Carrie Madej
https://www.bitchute.com/video/kQ73s2S0rYJJ/
Time to wake up

she has no clue..
she is trained to give back rubs and leg massages.. not in the immune system or dna/rna

DNA is not RNA
and one little 'letter' change in rna will not cause damage
changes to rna does not change dna

downsyndrome mutates requires 48million base pair(letter) changes at DNA level. not rna level

the synthetic rna put into people as a vaccine is only ~1300 'letters'
the purpose is for the rna to be presented as something the body should attack and then remember

it does not mutate the cells. it does not damage the cells. it just enters your body and says look at me. now kill me

your body is not told new techniques to kill it. it is not re-programmed.. your body just uses the tools/systems it already has to figure out the best way to kill the invader. and then remember how using the bodies natural immuno memory system

..
she then goes on a science FICTION rant pretending that hospital monitoring devices are going to be injected into people. (facepalm)

..
she sounds like them herbal pill mill clinic owners that have a small clinic in a stripmall. trying to sell nature and back rubs as ways to heal everything.

edit after research:
oh and she lost her job with a medical group in 2015 for her 'holistic' malpractice.
now i understand why she hates real medicine
.. heck more research reveals she avoided going to dentists for years even with many tooth issues.

..
even the video she admits she cut off all links to hospitals and insurances and people were threatening her due to her silly nonsense.
..
dang so much fail in her life.. and it seems she just wants to 'work' cash in hand with stupid people that would pay for her holistic remedies
9693  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 21, 2020, 01:56:16 PM
But I would like to note that some politicians are violating their own protocols by gathering a lot of people and I am surprised that they were not being filed with cases because they are “politicians”.

UK boris johnson breached the advice and ended up in hospital. his wife and a few others had to isolate.
later breached again by having a 'business breakfast' meeting with people outside of his family.. he and a dozen others politicians ended up having to self isolate for 14 days

US trump breached his nations advice. ended up in hospital. many of his secret service had to isolate
later he breached it again and many of his family. co-workers, advisors and secret service men had to self isolate.
US rudy giuliani breached his nations advice.. ended up in hospital

yes there are many examples of those at the top being ignorant/stupid

many idiots think they can avoid the rules because they think thre will always be a spare hospital bed for them and as much treatments/medications as possible. problem is when hospitals fill up.. and no spare beds left and treatments become a scarce resource.. then those idiots will not have their fantasy life of top treatment. instead their family end up visiting their grave months later
9694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 21, 2020, 11:10:22 AM
am taking 400 mg of HCQ / week,
making expensive urine and faeces.
your protecting yourself from digestive parasites. but not doing much, if anything for covid

'covid-19' is a disease not a micro-organism.  That would be the presumed 'SARS-CoV-2' virus.  Don't you remember your own propaganda bullshit phraseology?

i know. i actually did try talking at a higher level 9 months ago.. but with so many people not understanding i ended up giving in by dumbing down my language to their levels.. hoping then the context of my points got into their heads

you cant cry one day that im trying to be too grammarly correct. and then when dropping to your level then cry that im not grammarly correct.

but overall if your avoiding understanding the overall context with lame excuses like spelling or grammar being too/not precice. then you really are ignoring the overall point of the context
..

The point is that the new strain is definitely more infectious, and so far unclear how much more pathogenic.
It is more infectious because of the higher binding to hACE2, also appears more capable of immune evasion because of 69-70del.

scientists have "moderate confidence" that its basecode causes higher spread (causative)
but this is based on spread counting which can be explained by correlatiion where its human decision to continue to mingle and not the base code of that virus being more dangerous
..
i ran through some scenarios and this is what i see

causative increase of spread without any severe symptom change risk:
the higher hace2 binding wil cause more viral invasion of lung cells and lung damage and then more replication. but without triggering the first immuno response of fever or cough at day 5-7. means people are then spreading it due to not knowing they are sick.
in short: they may have no symptoms for 12 days rather than the old strain of 5-7 days
EG they might have slight breathing issues before it then triggers an immuno response in mild people rather then the old strain of fever cough followed by breathing issues

there are some other strains that are pre-symptom/symptom free for 12 days of infection

but what is more important is for people to not mingle as much. which is a human decision. because if you dont go near people, people cant get it.

i feel that its more of a human decision factor to mingle that causes more spread than the strain. especially amungst those presymptomatic or in social communities that are more ignorant of the rules. people should limit mingling even if they think they are virus free. and not only when they have symptoms

maybe it was a bad decision to reduce self isolation from 14 days to 10 days for those close contacts now that its known that some strains can be pre-symptomatic for 12days+.
9695  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 21, 2020, 12:16:19 AM
Btw I've already met people that are having their 3rd infections already.

they didnt learn the first or second time?
also if you met 'people'(plural) then you have not learned to stay away from infected people.

..
that said knowing the seasonality of covid. i dont think someone/anyone could have got it 3 times
even twice is a stretch.

so i doubt they had it 3 times.. and more likely tried to tell you they were sick the 3 times you arranged to meet them as their excuse to cancel the appointment/visit to not be near you.

yep even i have told people im sick just to avoid an appointment with someone i didnt like
maybe if they are always sick when you call them up you should get the hint no one wants to meet you, especially if its more then one person playing that trick on you.

.. come on 3 times on 9 months.. maths and biology just dont add up to 3..super unlucky to be immuno compromised while being swingers/minglers on masse.. or they lying to you

think about it. if they did have it 3 times.. they would become popular national study cases where lots of scientists would want to know about them.. yet no news. so i doubt it extremely that they tested postive 3 times
9696  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 20, 2020, 10:55:20 PM
To be honest I don't have anything against lockdown it is for our own safety to prevent the virus from spreading,
The only thing that I am concern of in lockdown is the food supplies of the people who are affected on it.
We all know that earning is hard due to the pandemic even small business would be forced to close down because of it so would the government help those who would be on the lockdown or would they just lockdown those area?
And about the virus mutation would the current vaccine still help on fighting it?

asian countries are well versed in this. they close the borders quick. they get people to reduce their mingling. and when people do get it. they actually properly contact trace 7-15 people they came near. isolate them and actually offer them home visits of food and other stuff. meaning those isolating are checked on and have things they need to not risk leaving home

other countries try to just 'let the will/ common sense of the people' do it. meaning some people just ignore the advice. this is why some countries cases grow even with some/full restrictions

take london for instance the mayhem of people getting on trains when being told they shouldnt be moving around
heck even at the train stations they were not even respecting personal space.

i dont blame the virus or the politics. i blame the people that just dont know common sense.

.. if your told not to move around and to also respect personal space.. if your first response is to gather shoulder to shoulder in huge crowds and trying to get into a 10foot wide incubation cylinder known as a train carriage, again rubbing shoulders with people only 2foot apart.. maybe just maybe those people are not the smartest humans in the race. and its not the viruses fault for londoners mental decisions

the proof of the stupidity of it not just being londoners going home but instead londoners trying to leave home and spread around the country is the increase of hotels/airbnb locations in the last day or two.
yep londoners are escaping london and having a 14-42day vacation around the country (bringing the virus with them).. idiots

edit:
large family just arrived in rome from london. with symptoms and yep its the london strain..
more proof that londoners dont follow advice to stay home.
9697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 20, 2020, 03:50:37 PM
what they are fnding is in some communities certain strains pass on more then others

Yes. This new strain is more dangerous because it is more transmissible. This increases the R number, the number of people on average that each infected person will themselves infect. It's the R number that determines the rate of increase (or, if <1, decrease) in new cases. A strain that is as severe, but is 70% more transmissible, is a big deal.

the new strain does not have gene base code that makes it more infectious.
its just out of all the different strains. the one in london is passing around more in london than the one in cornwal. because PEOPLE in london are more stupid and ignorant about the rules than in cornwall

its the PEOPLE mingling thats causing there to be such a high count of the london strain.. its not the strain itself jumping around at 4 metres as oppose to 2metres
londoners are not respecting the 2 metres so more PEOPLE standing at 1m will get the virus more.

its..   people caused

think about it. to get anywhere in london cant be done by people in their own cars due to all the congestion zones. so PEOPLE end up sharing cabs or sharing train carriages.
al the london protests and such..

in cornwall people have their own cars and shops are more spread out so it doesnt cause an overcrowding of people in one street. there is no large political powerhouse in cornwall so not as many protest mingling of large populations

the cornwall strain vs the london strain are no safer or dangerous. they are the same transmisability base code.
its the analysis that london has more spread within their own community due to the excess mingling in that community. and it just means that londoners cannot blame tourists or commuter from other places in the country bringing cases into london.. and its just londoners not caring abut personal space within their community
9698  Other / Politics & Society / Re: London went full lockdown on: December 20, 2020, 03:23:45 PM
no the new mutation is not more dangerous..

there are actually something like 4000 strains of covid19.

what they are fnding is in some communities certain strains pass on more then others due to the human ignorance of respecting advice.(londoers being told they are the source of latest large cluster. so told to stay home. but instead decide to get on trains and leave the city(facepalm))

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lets word it another way.
its easy to identify humans vs apes right?
wel within the easy identification of humans. there are subset mutations of blonde hair ancestry and ginger hair ancestry. and brown hair ancestry.. right?
nothing in human genes makes any haircolour more of less sex addictive than each other.
but following the generations you end up seeing more area's filled with gingers(north) and light/dark hair in the south

this is not due to gene risk of higher pregnancy. but in human movement and mingling

what is found is londoners are ignoring the rules so the strain in the london population is spreading more then a strain imported from the netherlands. or the strain in the cornwall community
all due to the people passing it around obeying or disobeying the rules

for instance the strain in cornwall is not passing around much due to people actually staying home more in cornwall than londoners. it is not becasue the cornwall strain is a safer mutation.

back to human analogy
however overall a person from cornwall vs a londoner might have subtle differences. but overall can be easily identified still as a english human. which is why its not a threat to the vaccine.

a massive change would need to occur to confuse the immune system of vaccinated people. such as if londoners had mixed species relations with their pets, making a non complete human hybrid

so far the mutations are so subtle that the 'spike protein' still has enough identifiers to know the difference between all covid strains vs say a new hybrid

the only threat is cross-species mutations. suck as the the news of the camels in egypt and the mink in netherlands. where by it completely mutates in a different direction in mink than it would in the human-human strains. and then if later the mink strain re-entered human population. then those hybrids would not be the same as covid19 subtle strains..

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anyway all the news about the london strain is showing that more people are getting infected due to londoners disobeying the rules. meaning londoners cannot complain/blame other area's importing the virus into london and it is infact londoners themselves spreading it amungst themselves.
if it was imported from other areas visiting london then the numbers of strains of the london strain would be diluted due to the amount of imports.

yep they actually do use the strains to trace the path a infection follows and can work out where a strain began and if its 'domestic' or 'imported'

this is why they dont want londoners exporting their strain. so they lockdown restricts movements out of the area.
if it was an imported strain. they would shut down the airports and roads into london

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they use these strain identifiers to work out contact tracing. for instance a strain in a university if that shows many university people are mingling too much and passing it around by disobeying the rules. they can then see the university strain becomes the most majority strain in an area. and decide to restrict students movement while still letting other clusters in retailer remain open because not many are mingling around retail stores.. or the opposite if analysis shows the opposite occurances

they can see via contact tracing and strain analysis that some clusters of high cases can be traced back via those infected visiting certain pubs one month. and another cluster another month via getting it from their kids and thus from schools. which can show why one months pubs are closed and another month schools are.

they can then use this analysis to also try to predict where it will spread to next. by looking for patterns of behavior.
EG micro analysis shutting down a factory if a couple employees have it to stop it spreading to all employees
EG if it then did spread to all employees by not shutting down the factory. then they would shut down the town
EG macro analysis shutting down london to stop the mass of london cases then exporting to other area's
9699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: December 20, 2020, 07:12:38 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/world/europe/coronavirus-uk-new-variant.html


Hmmm, so what happens when the vaccine strategy does not work as intended? What happens if the vaccine does not get distributed fast enough causing a new mutated form of the virus to begin spreading? UK reports that there's a new fast spreading virus which is starting up lockdown talks again.

uk lockdowns are in response to hospitalisations. not due to asymptomatic infections.
the UK lockdowns are more about the view that people are not following the current guideance at advisory level eg 'if you can work from home do so' and so if people are not bothering to stay home if they can.. eventually they will be made to..


the strain talked about in the news is 1in 4000 'strains' of this particular covid19 heritage
the strain in particular is about 24 'generations' of mutations deep
meaning like a tree/ancestry this particular strain has changed minimally by 24 minor details out of many thousands

yes there are other strains that are 24 minor alterations. but it is shown that this particular strain in question. seems to be being passed around by lots of people avoiding following the advice.

this strain doesnt have any characteristics that show that its more dangerous. but its simply that they can identify and trace the contact people have and follow the path of where a certain strain has originated and then migrated to via people having ignorance.

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you could run a real life scenario
pick 5 people. and tell them if they do come into close contact with someone either by accident or on purpose to spray paint a colour on someones back. and advise then to try not to come into contact. but if they o to then tell that person the same advice.
then give those 5 people a different colour spraycan to use

after a month. you can then look at a populations back and count how many of which colour. and then know which group are more idiots and ignorant. just by counting their backs

it does not mean that the colour is more dangerous. it just means the people that come into contact with each other in that cluster-colour are more ignorantly dangerous

EG southwest UK seems to show more sensible attitudes so they have less cases. yet london seem to mingle more so they get more cases. and londoners seem to the migrate to other cities up north. and cause them to then have issues.
you end up seeing that a certain strain originating from london then has more cases. not due to the strain but due to attitudes of londoners.

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anyway the minor changes of the spike in this 24th generation strain. is not sufficiently different to cause worry about the vaccine.

what would be a worry is if any strain went into the animal population. then mutated there. then came back to the human population. as crossing the 'animal divide' can cause major mutations

EG instead of 24differences out of 30000identicals (99.93% identical) of the strains of human covid19
emphasis all different human-human strain in america, uk, netherlands, italy are 0.07% max different.


a human-animal-human may very by 5-40%
like how covid19(sars-human 2003 > bat species 1 > bat species 2 > human) is about 82% identical to sars 2003
mers to covid is even further difference

as for the species divide
like how covid 19 human is 8% different to covid 19 pangolin
both examples above had wide mutations of many percentage points due to them not handling cross species infection pre 2020
as oppose to spotting infections in minks and how the mink is only  0.07% different due to them stoping it spreading amungst the mink quick, thus avoiding mutations which could have become many percentage points different if it re entered the human population later
9700  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is a Bris not child endangerment, baby mutilation, gay, rape and pedophilia? on: December 20, 2020, 05:51:18 AM
The male baby is born. The umbilical cord is cut. He starts to breathe on his own.

Eight days later, certain aspects of his immune system kick in. The whole immunity of his whole body is enhanced by circumcision by doing it on the eighth day. It's a boost to keeping the baby healthy and alive.

Later in life, there are two advantages to the circumcision:
1. The cleanliness aspect. The guy won't be subject to infections in his private parts like he might have otherwise;
2. The guy's penis is toughened not having the skin covering protection. Not being as sensitive, he has to work at it more to enjoy sex. The gal is naturally a little slower at being stimulated. So, the circumcision-caused, lack of sensitivity, makes the guy have to work at it harder, thereby stimulating the gal better, so that she can have pleasure, too.

Cool

contraction.
in 1 you say having no skin is a protection.. then in 2 you say having skin is a protection

but you have one point correct. cutting the foreskin makes it harder to enjoy sex. and the whole point is not about infection protection. but in making sex not enjoyable.

religious idiots set rules to restrict peoples freedoms of enjoying life. which is another contradiction because you in other topics think that doing things to babies without the babies consent is a crime

you really cannot keep contradicting yourself or you will end up going insane more so by the day.


ohh and here is one very subtle hint
by controlling peoples sex lives they are part of the eugenics game of reducing birthrates.
yep its not as bad as a full castration at birth. but reducing peoples enjoyment of having sex reduces how much they 'spread their seed' with random women
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