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1321  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 09:06:45 AM
My liberty reserve history:
01/07/2011 02:12    52722343       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $28,616.00    $0.00    $0.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 02:12    52722317       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $30,000.00    $0.00    $28,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
01/07/2011 01:51    52721818       U8227430 (xMtGox)    - $16,000.00    $0.00    $58,616.61    Hide Merchant Reference: 1336    Memo: MtGox.com Funding
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There is not trace of you buying ~3000 BTC x 3 from some random guy.
You are lying to us!
1322  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 08:58:12 AM
VISA, mastercard is bank institution, paypal also acts like bank( I don't use paypal, so I can't say about that strong), so there are two different things. They have special law power issued by government,
I do not believe you have even spoken to a lawyer about this.  Their "special power" is called "law", and it applies to everyone.  No special powers involved.
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when you agree to use their services, you sign on agreement (that they can block you money, if they see any problems and etc.),
It doesn't need to be in an agreement when it is regulated by law.  Aiding in the trade of stolen money or other goods in my country will get you three years in prison.  The bank mangers don't want to spend their life in prison, so any stolen money are immediately locked.
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To sturle : it's strange for me your strong opinion about all this, without knowing everything.
I obviously know more than you pretend to remember.
1323  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 01, 2011, 10:56:33 PM
Also, i don't like the "judge, jury and executioner" approach shown by mtgox.
In what way has mtgox acted as judge, jury or executioner?  He came over a heap of stolen money, and blocked the account while the investigation goes on.  Would there be any other sensible thing to do?  Any other legal options?  If mtgox do something illegal here, like releasing the account with stolen funds before the matter is completely resolved, we are all at risk of loosing everything we have on mtgox.
If he has strong , I repeat very strong proof that I am that "thief", so he must go to police and provide that proof to them, and only with police permission he can block money
You can read the proof in this thread.  It is damning evidence, and mtgox doesn't need more than that to block your account.  In most jurisdictions a bank or exchange has to block the account when stolen money get transferred to it.  VISA, MasterCard, PayPal and your bank would do the exact same thing without waiting for the police.  They are not allowed to let the thief run away with the stolen money.  You claim to have lawyers, but I doubt it.

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But his "proof" that I can't remember nick, chanell  details, is not any proof, or fact at all, and every court will refuse to accept it as proof.
You may go on forgetting your own name, it doesn't matter.  The story doesn't check out anyway.  You made it up, and even changed the story when you got more details about your fictional trade, but it doesn't work.  The block chain contains the facts.
1324  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 01, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
Also, i don't like the "judge, jury and executioner" approach shown by mtgox.
In what way has mtgox acted as judge, jury or executioner?  He came over a heap of stolen money, and blocked the account while the investigation goes on.  Would there be any other sensible thing to do?  Any other legal options?  If mtgox do something illegal here, like releasing the account with stolen funds before the matter is completely resolved, we are all at risk of loosing everything we have on mtgox.
1325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: March 01, 2011, 09:57:23 PM
We have to abide to our respective national laws.  Believing that we can make a Bitcoin law and somehow enforce it is nonsense.  I.e. an exchange operated in one country would have to follow different laws and regulations than an exchange operated in another country.
Why should bitcoiners care about if you follow national laws or not? Will you provide the goods and services, or will you not?
Because if I am e.g. an exchange, and I don't follow my national law, YOU risk loosing everything you've trusted me with if I get caught.  I may have the best intentions, but it doesn't help at all if what I do is illegal in my jurisdiction.  "Bitcoin common law" isn't worth anything when real life police knocks on the door.
1326  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: MINING IS NOT PROFITIBLE on: March 01, 2011, 08:22:50 AM
There is some truth to this.  Since some have very cheap or free electricity, the price of coins will eventually fall below the cost of producing them for most people.

To compete with this you need to use the electricity twice.  I threw out the big resistor in my bathroom floor, only producing heat from electricity, and instead use my miner to heat the floor.  I get back double for my electricity.  Bitcoins and heat where it is needed.  This is a low scale operation, of course.  I am planning to add another card to get more heat in very cold periods, and capacity to pre-heat my hot water as well.  Hot water and bitcoins for the same amount of electricity as only hot water.  Eventually the cards will pay themselves back (may take a long time), but the electricity is basically free.  I would have used the same amount of electricity for heating my bathroom or hot water if it was heated by a standard electric heater instead of my miner.
1327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: February 28, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
I, personally, think that this idea of some kind of virtual bitcoin common law is extremely naive, a non-starter and simply utter nonsense.
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We have to abide to our respective national laws.  Believing that we can make a Bitcoin law and somehow enforce it is nonsense.  I.e. an exchange operated in one country would have to follow different laws and regulations than an exchange operated in another country.
1328  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 28, 2011, 07:59:05 AM
Agree. Mtgox did worse than paypal. While paypal's funds freezing scams usually begin with reversed credit card transactions that put paypal at a loss that they need to recover, in this case here, mtgox has not had any liberty reserve or coins pulled away from itself, but continues with a funds freeze anyway.
You are wrong.  Read the thread.  A large sum of coins were stolen from a customers account, and were transferred via Baron's Bitcoin client to Baron's account on Mt Gox.  When Mt. Gox finds a heap of stolen goods, mixed with goods of unknown origin, he is required by law to lock access to it until the matters are resolved.  Would it be better if Mt. Gox was a criminal and went to jail, risking the assets of everyone at Mt. Gox?  It is extremely important to us, his customers, that Mt. Gox abides by the law.  If you don't like that, you should put your money on some black market where you risk to loose everything to a scam or police raid.

PayPal's locking of accounts often has nothing at all to do with reversed credit card transactions.  Often a reversed PayPal transfer is enough, and often not even that.  E.g. the Wikileaks donation account, and the donation account for Brian Manning's defence fund.  Those were purely political.
1329  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 06:35:59 PM
Looks like this thread end with a requirement for every bitcoin-holder to send passport scan to mtgox. By common agreement.
What do you base this on?  Mt. Gox is only an exchange.  He may demand identification from his customers, and it would be a requirement in many countries for tax purposes, but there are lots of exchanges for Bitcoin.
1330  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 04:10:56 PM
It depends on the damage the State believes to be taken. If we all engage direct-trade governments would soon outlaw it because couldn't tax the transaction. They can tax BTC, but that would make it a legal tender and they aren't sure about the profitability of such.
No.  You are confused.  The fact that my government put sales tax on everything, doesn't mean everything is legal tender.  I've listed my bitcoins and their value on my tax return, and expect to pay tax for profits and to write off losses, like for everything else.  It still doesn't make it legal tender.  My shares are not legal tender.  Gold isn't legal tender.  Milk isn't legal tender.
1331  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 03:36:07 PM
Bitcoin future is not in black or gray or alternative market. Bitcon's future is in white market and general economy. If some black or gray market outfit goes down I will not shed any tears.
Bitcoin isn't "legal trend".
ITYM "legal tender", which means you are required by law to accept it.  You are not required by law to accept other barters, like bitcoins, but there is nothing illegal about it. You can buy milk for butter if both parts agree.  You can also exchange milk or butter for money.  Or bitcoins.  There is really no difference.  There is nothing illegal about bitcoins (or milk), and we should do our best to keep it this way,
1332  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 03:29:27 PM
Bitcoin future is not in black or gray or alternative market. Bitcon's future is in white market and general economy. If some black or gray market outfit goes down I will not shed any tears.
My trust in Mt. Gox increases for every post I read in this thread.  He has my full support, and is proving right now that this is no kind of black or grey market where whitewashing or trading of stolen goods is allowed.  My confidence in Mt. Gox has gone from medium (after it for a long time was impossible to get money out of the site) to very high.  He has proven to be on the right side of the law, and acts like I would have done myself when coming over a pile of cash where some are proven to be stolen. 

The fact that the coins were stolen has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt a long time ago.  To prove something in real life with mathematical certainty is impossible, but the attempts I have seen here are uninformed speculations in the line of "an alien stole my DNA and did it in my name".  By the evidence and explanations we have seen here alone, and Mt. Gox has even more, there is no reasonable doubt about the theft or who was behind it.
1333  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 03:12:11 PM
All those 'get new lawyer' comments are not very credible. Screenshots are better than nothing and are good starting point. Exchange's cooperation in this matter or luck of it would be quite telling too.
A much better proof would be a complete transaction history to and from the account.  I am sure mtgox would provide Baron with that, if he takes contact.  (Both options implies full trust in mtgox, of course, since the site can modify pages and logs at wish.)

Compare the logs with Baron's transaction logs...  Oh, I forgot.  Baron doesn't keep any history whatsoever of transactions of just a few thousand dollars.
1334  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 01:15:25 PM
I was contacted yesterday with my lawyers. They offered to take strict actions against mtgox.com to get him to court. And I will do this, if we don't resolve all this peacefully in one week.

I am asking mtgox.com to unblock my mtgox.com account for 1 day, because I need to take screenshots of my account as a proof , what is in it. I am not going to withdraw funds or trade.
Your lawyers told you to take screenshots as proof?  Cheesy  Here is my advice: Get new lawyers.
1335  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 26, 2011, 05:13:39 PM
The whole "wrongness" in all of this is for an owner of an exchange to act as CSI/judge/executioner, all-in-one.
Who are you talking about?  Mtgox has just locked the account while he (or someone else, I suspect the police is already involved) is investigating to identify the rightful owner and/or the thief of the funds in there.  The investigation is currently stalled because the claimed owner refuses to identify himself.  No one have been judged or executed so far.  Unless the claimed owner identifies himself, the funds will remain locked by the one neutral part who can (mtgox).  Possibly by order from the police or a judge.  Mtgox has been wise enough to say as little as possible about those matters.
1336  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 26, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
I am glad the traceability of bitcoins make it possible to take thieves like Baron.  Since he will almost certainly not reveal himself, the 45000 LRUSD stays locked.  It would be irresponsible, and probably illegal, to return the money before the case is completely resolved.  The LRUSD are probably stolen as well, but we don't know from where.  Otherwise Baron should report the locking of the account to the police, which is free.  But he would have to file the report in his own name, and may end up in jail for theft.  I guess the 45000 will stay locked until one can find the rightful owner, or the case is to old to be tried.

What happens to the 9000 BTC?  Can those be returned to their owner before the case is completely resolved?

What was the case about bitcointrade.biz, btw?  I read in this thread there was 45000 LRUSD involved, but the thread about the case itself is in Russian.  Anyone care to write a summary?  Are there any possible links which should be investigated?  Hard facts, like account numbers or Bitcoin addresses?
1337  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 26, 2011, 08:50:56 AM
1) Someone reported his account to be stolen to mt gox with 9000 BTC on it.
How does one's mtgox account "get stollen"?
Weak password cracked by a simple brute force attack.
1338  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 25, 2011, 06:56:02 AM
Publicly accusing someone, of a crime (without solid, legally obtained, to "beyond reasonable doubt" standard, proof) may be an act of libel.

Taking someone's money based on such accusations, particularly if not proved, may be qualified as fraud.

I sincerely hope than none of these is the case here.
mtgox hasn't publicly accused anyone.  He barely made a comment in this thread.  Baron is more or less showing himself as the bad guy who can't remember a thing and is constantly changing his story to fit shown facts.  I.e:

I was trading in IRC only one time, there is no more suspicious transations involved. As I said before, it was more than month ago, so I can't remember details.
After beeing shown three transactions, he changes this to:
right, I was in IRC about 5 days, I was using same nickname and chanel, but now I can't remeber what nickname and channel was.because I don't use IRC anymore.
right, I was received money in 3 days period. where is problem?
And not remembering anything about this good source of bitcoins after only a month just isn't credible.  Not if he is, as he claims, serious about investing or whatever.
1339  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 24, 2011, 10:51:44 PM
You bought coins for USD 3000, and don't remember anything about this guy (e.g. IRC channel or nick or LR account number) or have any record of the transaction?  Doesn't sound very likely to me.  Are there more suspicious transactions involved?
I was trading in IRC only one time, there is no more suspicious transations involved. As I said before, it was more than month ago, so I can't remember details.
Did you just visit IRC channels at random this one time, and then some random person came from nowhere and asked if you were interested in trading LRUSD for bitcoins?  I find this very hard to believe.  Most people at least have an idea what IRC channels they are visiting.  Are you afraid there may be logs?  Do you remember which nick you may have used on IRC?  This story needs a lot more flesh to be even remotely plausible.  You may not be the scammer yourself, but you are certainly not helping to find the person.  Trying to protect the identity of the scammer, assuming it isn't you, will not get you anywhere.
1340  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 24, 2011, 09:19:54 AM
There is pretty strong evidence that this guy was involved in some theft of BTC. I'm trying to talk to him to make absolutely certain.
from that man from IRC only 9000 BTC, in that day when I received BTC rate was about 0.30/BTC, so it's total of ~3000 USD, so it's necessary to block all my money ( all 45 000 USD) ? ore suspicious transactions involved?
You bought coins for USD 3000, and don't remember anything about this guy (e.g. IRC channel or nick or LR account number) or have any record of the transaction?  Doesn't sound very likely to me.  Are there more suspicious transactions involved?
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