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521  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 09, 2013, 07:39:46 AM
do you have any proof that Bitstamp operates illegal?!?
Proof: They issue Ripple USD (electronic money according to 2009/110/EC) without the required license.

There are grey areas as well.  E.g. Bitstamp don't think they need to be licensed as a payment provider to operate at this scale, while MtGox's attorneys think MtGox do.  MtGox operates safely by staying within limits while applying for a license.  Bitstamp may hit a brick wall if regulators decide they do need a license.  (Assuming Bitstamp process roughly the same number of fiat transactions, but their number may be significantly lower of course.)
522  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 08, 2013, 11:15:45 PM
Aha maybe it was to a gox address, i dont know?

How would i check to make sure its gone through then if it was to a gox address?
AFAIK there is no other way than to ask the recipient.  I have hard rumours of an unpublished API call to check if an address belongs to MtGox (money/bitcoin/check_recipient), but it looks like it needs special permissions or perhaps it is depreciated.  I always get the error "Must be logged in" when trying, and I do use my credentials when calling it.
523  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 08, 2013, 09:51:40 PM
That's a BTC withdraw from gox, on 10/22 for 26BTC. Note that the address has never been used.
This doesn't mean much without more information.  If the address belong to a MtGox account, the transaction will be instant and never hit the blockchain.  (Unless you check Open transaction, which makes it go via the blockchain and require six confirmations like other deposits to MtGox.)  I'm not saying you are wrong and MtGox support is right, but we can't know that without more information. 
524  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 08, 2013, 06:55:44 PM
I do not understand why mtgox doesnt hire some firm to negotiate some new banking partners for them. Bitstamp has no issues(or do they?,
Many people have issues getting bitcoins in to Bitstamp.  Some banks block transfers to Bitstamp.  Bitstamp chose to operate illegally without a license.  It works for them now, but nobody knows for how long.  MtGox are more careful, and decided to apply for a license instead.  MtGox will not get a licence if they operate in violation of the law when applying, so they have to keep to their limits for a little longer until the licensing process is completed.
525  Local / Skandinavisk / Movember on: November 08, 2013, 05:55:08 PM
Det er Movember att.  Den månaden i året då ein kan lure på om trønderane har teke over nasjonen.  Dei er ikkje trønderar alle saman.  Mange er vanlege folk som støttar arbeid mot prostatakreft, blant anna.

Eg har sett opp ei adresse der du kan donere til kampanjen.  Bitcoin-donasjonar vert automatisk veksla til norske kroner og donert manuelt av meg.  Det er heilt transparent.  Du kan sjølv kontrollere at alle transaksjonar er med og at pengane kjem fram.  Donasjonar er av natur anonyme, og dei får ekstra god kurs.  Beste bod på MtGox konvertert til NOK med siste kurs frå Noregs Bank utan gebyr av noko slag.  Eg snekra saman dette på kort tid no nettopp, og det er sikkert småfeil som må rettast, men alle donasjonar skal komme fram.

Dersom det er interesse vil eg setje opp tilsvarande tenester for anonyme donasjonar til andre gode saker, til dømes Digitalt Personvern.  Problemet er at det grensar mot ei betalingsteneste, og eg må undersøke kor langt eg kan gå som privatperson utan lisens for denslags.  Min personlege overleppepryd reknar eg som ein del av mi private sfære, og ikkje næringsmessig aktivitet.
526  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 08, 2013, 09:25:18 AM
Some pools, noteably GHash.IO and Eligius, use their own proprietary fee settings, and normal transactions don't always make their standards.  Stay away from those pools if you mine.  Those pools delay transactions for their own profit (smaller blocks propagate faster, and are less likely to get orphaned), and stand in the way of further growth.
Can you post some links to further information about the behaviors of these pools?
Here is one from Eligius: http://eligius.st/~gateway/faq-page/faq-5

I don't have any policy info from GHash.IO.  I suspect they use the same pool software with the same default settings.  You can see it from their behaviour when they find consecutive blocks on http://blockchain.info.  Both leave high priority low fee transactions in the queue.  Most other pools will reserve some space for high priority no fee transactions in each block.  While bitcoin-qt have a configured fee per kB, Eligius have their limit set at 512 bytes.  Transactions between 512 and 1000 bytes in size may get stuck for a long time, because bitcoin-qt will send them at 0 fee if the priority is high enough, and Eligius/Eloipool demands a fee at 512 bytes or more.

Priority is calculated from age of inputs, size of outputs and total transaction size.  I don't remember the exact details.  There is a larger priority penalty for the input set than the output set, to encourage sending multiple outputs in one transaction.
527  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 07, 2013, 10:27:53 PM
Just FYI for those who have not seen it, Wired recently released a fun story about Mt. Gox and their various issues:

  http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/11/mtgox/
thank you, looks like the typical hacker shit. no clue about business! they never learn it. Hackers are in 99% horrible businessmen. i would say gtfo
Yeah.  Like Elon Musk.  Bill Gates.  Mark Shuttleworth.  They should have attended business schools instead!
528  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 07, 2013, 10:23:35 PM
And MtGox is probably the exchange where I have had the least problems with BTC withdrawals.  I have had BTC withdrawal problems at every exchange I ever tried.  Bitstamp, Bitcurex, Intersango, MtGox, Bitcoin-Central.  You name it.  If I have used it, I have had problems with severely delayed withdrawals from the exchange.  The usual excuse is empty hot wallet.  Last time I had problems withdrawing BTC from MtGox was more than a year ago.

I have withdrawn EUR from MtGox as well, btw.  It works.  Takes some time due to EU regulation (MtGox is not yet licensed as a payment service in the EU), but the transfer arrives eventually.  Six weeks delay currently.
Do you make EUR withdrawals > 1000€? Do you have an trusted Gox account or only verified?
My withdrawals have been 7k to 8k EUR.  Only verified account.

The bitcoin network is quite congested now, actually.  I made a bitcoin transfer from bitcoind (bitcoin-qt equivalent) using default fee settings, and it took 7 hours to make it to the blockchain.  When it finally confirmed, it was probably due to one of the outputs being spent with a generous fee which paid for the parent transaction as well.  Some pools, noteably GHash.IO and Eligius, use their own proprietary fee settings, and normal transactions don't always make their standards.  Stay away from those pools if you mine.  Those pools delay transactions for their own profit (smaller blocks propagate faster, and are less likely to get orphaned), and stand in the way of further growth.
529  Local / Skandinavisk / Re: Svar fra Skattetaten i Norge on: November 07, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
Min venninne som arbeider som jurist i skatteetaten sier at følgende er avgjort i den juridiske avdelingen hun arbeider i: "Gevinst ved omsetting av BTC beskattes med 28% vurdert ut i fra kjøps og salgstidspunkt. BTC som eies ved årskiftet er formueskattepliktige. Omsettingen er MVA pliktig" Det er da helt vilt...
Det er heilt vilt, og eg trur det ikkje før eg ser eit offisielt svar frå Skattedirektoratet.  Eg spurde om dette våren 2011 og ventar framleis på svar.  Svenske Skatterättsnämnden har vurdert eit tilsvarande spørsmål og komme til motsett konklusjon.  Svenskane viser til EU-direktiv som Noreg òg har implementert.  Alle andre EU-land som har vurdert dette har komme fram til at omsetning av bitcoin er mva-fritt.
530  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 06, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
"virtual" profit i call it. When you never get the Fiat to your bank its lost.
When you  BTC vanish on the way out of Gox. MtGox is useless unprofessional.
YMMV.  I usually don't transfer fiat out of MtGox.  Just BTC which I sell elsewhere at a higher price.  And MtGox is probably the exchange where I have had the least problems with BTC withdrawals.  I have had BTC withdrawal problems at every exchange I ever tried.  Bitstamp, Bitcurex, Intersango, MtGox, Bitcoin-Central.  You name it.  If I have used it, I have had problems with severely delayed withdrawals from the exchange.  The usual excuse is empty hot wallet.  Last time I had problems withdrawing BTC from MtGox was more than a year ago.

I have withdrawn EUR from MtGox as well, btw.  It works.  Takes some time due to EU regulation (MtGox is not yet licensed as a payment service in the EU), but the transfer arrives eventually.  Six weeks delay currently.
531  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 06, 2013, 01:00:46 PM
To every single fool who still has funds on gox. Forget all the pumps and dumps that required timing. At every minute of every day for the past 7.5 months you have had the opportunity to pull the btc off gox and sell on localbitcoins for a profit. It is sometimes equal to, but usually above gox price, and there is huge demand. I'm talking about people wanting to buy $50k, $60k blocks of coins. Give your heads a shake, smarten up and get resourceful instead of whining about it.
+1.  Arbitrage has been very easy for the last few months, but it looks as the window is closing now.  Less than 3% price difference between Bitstamp and MtGox.  People who didn't need the fiat to pay their bills could have been trading on MtGox all the time as well.  My bot has made a lot of BTC during the last few months.
532  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 31, 2013, 10:29:05 AM
So what is now the expected withdrawal time for:

SEPA >1000EUR
SEPA <1000EUR
Six weeks.  You need to go below 400 EUR to get it significantly faster.

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Int Wire >1000USD
Int Wire <1000USD
USD have to pass through US banks, which aren't very cooperative.  I think there are still withdrawals left dating back to mid June.

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Int Wire JPY
For other currencies in general the queue is shorter than the USD queue, but I don't know exactly how long.
533  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 30, 2013, 07:09:34 AM
Nevermind I can't do that even if I WANTED to because NO BODY trades bitcoin in NZD on MtGox.
Don't worry about trading BTC for NZD on MtGox.  The order books are connected at +/- 2.5%.  When you sell to a bid, the bid can be in any currency.
534  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 29, 2013, 08:34:02 PM
Don't forget about domestic polish withdraws.
Those are subject to the same limit as SEPA withdrawals.  Probably the same queue.
Not sure about that, they are domestic PLN transfers, has nothing todo with SEPA.
The EU Payment Service directive does not distinguish between domestic transfers and SEPA payments, as far as I can see.  Opening an account in another country doesn't help either.  The bank will probably allow it, but it will be illegal for MtGox to transfer more money to and from customers without a license, and breaking this law would be very unwise when they are applying for a license.  It applies to all money transfers within the EU.  Do domestic PLN transfers and SEPA transfers originate from different accounts, btw?  Some banks allow multiple currencies in the same account.
535  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 29, 2013, 07:25:42 PM
Don't forget about domestic polish withdraws.
Those are subject to the same limit as SEPA withdrawals.  Probably the same queue.
536  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 29, 2013, 06:09:45 PM
SEPA (6.5k) from 2013/09/18 Status: pending
hooray!
16th yesterday and 18th today.  Queue is getting shorter as predicted!  Let's hope this continues for at least a week until withdrawals from the beginning of October start processing.

In other news: From reading through some #mtgox logs, it looks like MtGox's Japanese bank has a withdrawal limit as well.  About 1 million USD/day.  (Probably 100 mill JPY.)  The limit applies to USD manual withdrawals as well.  (Manual transfer requires one USD to JPY conversion, JPY withdrawal, and JPY back to USD, which is the reason for the high fee.)  The JPY volume has been close to 4 million USD worth the last week alone, and withdrawal capacity 5 million USD / week.  This means the JPY hose is running close to full capacity (practically all JPY volume has been selling BTC, buying JPY for withdrawal and arbitrage), and is the probable cause of JPY withdrawal delays and the reported delays for manual withdrawals.  I am by no means certain of this, but it does explain a few things.  It means MtGox's total withdrawal capacity is about 25 million USD/month.
537  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 28, 2013, 09:12:45 PM
10k EUR SEPA withdrawal from 16.9.2013 changed state to pending today...
Yay!  A new data point, and it means the queue is moving faster again.  I was worried it would grow to more than six weeks since it took so long getting past the 13th.  Let's hope the queue shortens a bit the following week, because I fear there will be another speed bump when the payments reaches the end of the first week of October.
538  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 28, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
But the fact that you are a pathetic MtGox sock puppet has relevance to the topic of this thread.
It is not a fact.  It is a lie, and you know it.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck  Wink
As we can deduce from the post above, you clearly have a few problems with your senses.  You probably see ducks everywhere.
539  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 28, 2013, 12:36:24 PM
So my question is still unanswered: Why would anyone transfer money to MtGox to buy Bitcoin - when they can get Bitcoins at any other exchange for ~20$ less?
They don't, that's why Gox' market share is fading away. The fiat that's still being traded over there is probably "old" money for the largest part.
I know. In fact everybody knows. Question is: Why does sturle deny this?
WTF?  Where have I denied this?

I have just stated a couple of facts.  Like the fact that MtGox has a larger market share than Bitstamp, except for short bursts of volume at Bitstamp.  This still holds.  It holds for every listed time period at bitcoinity.
540  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 28, 2013, 12:31:08 PM
In the last days (weeks?) the difference between gox and bitstamp was ~10..11%,
it is now down to ~5% for roughly 20hrs. Any news?
Where have you been the last week?  People have moved from Bitstamp to BTC China.  Where the action is.  People buy BTC at Bitstamp to move to BTC China to trade there.
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