Who is an /u/meat_body_soul on bitcointalk ?
This guy (on the left):  |
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You can call me troll, neckbeard, or say I'm stirring up shit all you want. If you didn't want critical voices then go hide in a self-moderated thread. You're kind of correct kkraus69 about trolling, I guess I did a bit of that when the name was changed to ripoff darkcoin, but that isn't what's at issue over the last several pages. The fact is that 75% of the total coins were emitted in the first several months, and by my analysis of the btctalk thread there were at most a few hundred people interested in ducknote here. There was a total of about 20 posts on ducknotetalk.org, 8 posts at http://talk.ducknote.cc/, and 26 posts on /r/ducknote. So, I'm just curious where are these thousands of other users whose forums can't be searched by google, yahoo, baidu, bing, or qq. If he wants to use the same lame excuse as bytecoin that all communications take place on the super duper top secret dark web, then just say so. I own significant (for me) amounts of boolberry and monero; I'm not against cryptonotes, and I'm not shilling for monero. I just think information should be contested, especially when it sounds quite suspicious. Should no one say anything bad about bytecoin because it's cryptocurrency and we should all just relax and ride the wave of trillions of dollars pouring into crypto? I don't think so, plus I enjoy arguing. Why? tell me why, user should post anything if he mine XDN? the fact is that "few hundred people interested in ducknote here" you said, let it be 1 of 10 miners is posting here. OMG, 10*few hundreds = few thousands of XDN miners. Another fact is the number of workers that been submitted for xdn mining last months - 7-10k on average. If i person (user) got 2-3 workers on average we got, oh wait = few thousands of XDN miners. That is just miners, i am not speaking about traders. You can`t change and disagree with the fact = thousands of users (i expect >10000 users) own some XDN. And another fact >10% of XDN is still available on exchanges. You can fight the wind mill, and fight those, who mined it since first blocks, traded it since the early blocks, etc. But DarkNote is one of the most fairly launched cryptocurrencies. Public and laud launch, great activity, etc, even now you mine with 20000XDN block reward on fairly low difficulty. Go, mine, get your XDN, what we are speaking about? We're speaking about the bolded portion in your quote. Let's consider the four major cryptonote currencies: boolberry, bytecoin, duck/darknote, and monero. I completed running my script on the main btctalk threads counting the number of users; the results are shown below: | Currency | Total # of posts | # of unique posters | # of people that posted more than once | # who posted at least 10x | | Boolberry | 4971 | 519 | 310 | 89 | | Bytecoin | 4116 | 479 | 291 | 94 | | Darknote | 360 | 81 | 30 | 7 | | Ducknote | 1624 | 287 | 143 | 36 | | Monero | 15456 | 1494 | 932 | 268 |
So, obviously Duck/Darknote has significantly less interest on btctalk. You made the claim that there are some communities that don't show up on google, but when searching on yahoo, bing, baidu, and qq, there are no other significant duck/darknote related forums that I can pull up on the first several pages of results. I also don't buy the miner statistics argument you're making. You haven't shown any data, but even assuming your statistics are accurate there are two issues that I see with relying on the number of miners as an indicator of widespread adoption: (1) it is well known that coins using the cryptonight algorithm are the targets of botnets, so hundreds or thousands of these miners could be a single person/entity, and (2) I myself have probably 20 miners between cpus, gpus, and asics at home and at school. So, even considering just the latter argument, then the actual number of miners could be several thousand divided by 10 or 20, which is much more aligned with the number of btctalk users in the table above. Duck/Darknote has also pretty consistently had the lowest hashrate during the period of June-August, even lower than Bytecoin, which is when more than 60% of coins were emitted, and even now the hashrate is about 10x lower than Monero. So, most of the Ducknotes were mined when it had the lowest hashrate among any cryptonote - I just don't see how very fast emission combined with very low hashrate equates with a fair distribution. I'm not even sure Duck/Darknote even has a more fair/broad distribution that Bytecoin at this point, tbh. I do like the tech that you're implementing. I actually just bought a few 100k when price hit 29 satoshi on Polo, but I'm very skeptical of the assertion that the coin is as broadly distributed as you say, and also the claim that it had one of the most fair launches of any cryptocurrency. Edit: Here is a link to the Python script used to count users from the various cryptonote threads: https://gist.github.com/jwinterm/b83090d6e0b238e5b8c7 |
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hello  Is it possible that VTC integrate supernet ? Is supernet functional? Does it even exist yet, or purely hype? |
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Looking back, the VertPay fiasco at the start of May seems to be the start (or at least the acceleration) of the massive decline for Vertcoin. All of the people who raised objections to VertPay and other developers who wanted to create positive things for Vertcoin have moved on to other things. Since the community members who started this are gone, is there any hope in garnering support from the developers who used to be a part of Vertcoin? Basically, developers were trying to create great products centered around Vertcoin and community members lambasted them. The essence of what occurred, for those who don't remember, or who weren't around, can be found in this reddit thread. Inflamatory discussions took place over many different threads during that time period, but this is generally what they were all about. http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/25a603/my_take_on_the_vertpay_issue_stay_far_away_they/chf71mkowww, you quoted me in that link. Agree 1000% that it started with vertpay. All the developers came out the next day and and said they were emberessed by some in the community. Thing is, right after that time Othe and Fluffy started working on mONERO. Same thing happened with Vertvote. And Adam basically has gone AWOL after that fiasco. Dont hold out hope for the developers coming back, there is no reason for them to. While I agree to some extent with your statements about the Vertpay stuff, by the same token they were trying to get $300k worth of vert or something (at the time), while remaining for the most part anonymous. You'd have to expect a little healthy criticism and/or requests for more info about the people asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of coins. I don't agree that the same thing happened with Vertvote. That may or may not have been a good idea, but the implementation was poorly conceived and extremely easy to game. How the hell do you expect to run a democracy on the honor system? I never ever ever tried to make a case for or against either vertvote or vertpay. The issue was the inflammatory rhetoric and downright character assassination that occurred with both cases. It left a bad taste in many peoples mouths causing them to say "you know what, fuck this community, I dont need to deal with this shit" OK, didn't mean to falsely attribute. I don't remember any character assassination in the case of vertvote, though, to be honest. |
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Looking back, the VertPay fiasco at the start of May seems to be the start (or at least the acceleration) of the massive decline for Vertcoin. All of the people who raised objections to VertPay and other developers who wanted to create positive things for Vertcoin have moved on to other things. Since the community members who started this are gone, is there any hope in garnering support from the developers who used to be a part of Vertcoin? Basically, developers were trying to create great products centered around Vertcoin and community members lambasted them. The essence of what occurred, for those who don't remember, or who weren't around, can be found in this reddit thread. Inflamatory discussions took place over many different threads during that time period, but this is generally what they were all about. http://www.reddit.com/r/vertcoin/comments/25a603/my_take_on_the_vertpay_issue_stay_far_away_they/chf71mkowww, you quoted me in that link. Agree 1000% that it started with vertpay. All the developers came out the next day and and said they were emberessed by some in the community. Thing is, right after that time Othe and Fluffy started working on mONERO. Same thing happened with Vertvote. And Adam basically has gone AWOL after that fiasco. Dont hold out hope for the developers coming back, there is no reason for them to. While I agree to some extent with your statements about the Vertpay stuff, by the same token they were trying to get $300k worth of vert or something (at the time), while remaining for the most part anonymous. You'd have to expect a little healthy criticism and/or requests for more info about the people asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of coins. I don't agree that the same thing happened with Vertvote. That may or may not have been a good idea, but the implementation was poorly conceived and extremely easy to game. How the hell do you expect to run a democracy on the honor system? |
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One could claim that the first time zone with a substantial user base is the one to use so that nobody misses the deadline.
If we don't know where the person making the self-imposed deadline is, the most reasonable interpretation is to give them the benefit of the doubt for as long as possible, which entails assuming they are on the last place on earth where the deadline has not passed, IE the West Coast. So no one in Alaska or Hawaii uses crypto? |
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You can call me troll, neckbeard, or say I'm stirring up shit all you want. If you didn't want critical voices then go hide in a self-moderated thread. You're kind of correct kkraus69 about trolling, I guess I did a bit of that when the name was changed to ripoff darkcoin, but that isn't what's at issue over the last several pages. The fact is that 75% of the total coins were emitted in the first several months, and by my analysis of the btctalk thread there were at most a few hundred people interested in ducknote here. There was a total of about 20 posts on ducknotetalk.org, 8 posts at http://talk.ducknote.cc/, and 26 posts on /r/ducknote. So, I'm just curious where are these thousands of other users whose forums can't be searched by google, yahoo, baidu, bing, or qq. If he wants to use the same lame excuse as bytecoin that all communications take place on the super duper top secret dark web, then just say so. I own significant (for me) amounts of boolberry and monero; I'm not against cryptonotes, and I'm not shilling for monero. I just think information should be contested, especially when it sounds quite suspicious. Should no one say anything bad about bytecoin because it's cryptocurrency and we should all just relax and ride the wave of trillions of dollars pouring into crypto? I don't think so, plus I enjoy arguing. |
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Is the official subreddit /r/darknote? Is there an official subreddit? Just trying to find out where these thousands of darknote users hang out. Excuse me for trying to do some due diligence before buying coins/notes, iCEBREAKER.
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so where exactly are these other communities of users?
You aren't allowed to ask that. Please, respect my privacy, Sir.
Please, respect privacy of people with whom you are talking, thank you.
Just be a good mushroom, keep quiet, and wait for more amazing stuff. Aww, poor jwinterm and smooth are feeling left out. All the cool kids are partying at the secret invite-only Cryptonote Clubhouse, while they have to sit here and stew in resentment flavored jelly because they don't speak Russian or have 1337 skillz.  You are allowed to ask anything, but dNote is not obligated to answer. Sheesh, sometimes this place is more like BitcoinSTALK.  Yea, that's a great a way to create a widely used currency - keep it a secret from people who are interested in learning more about it. Flawless logic. |
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lol you must be California dreaming. Linux time and Windows time both begin from some date in the past at midnight UT, and I think we can all agree that real world time would be ET, where the most important cities exist like Philadelphia, PA, Newark, DE, and Jersey City, NJ (also NYC and Washington DC).  It makes no sense to have deadlines expire before midnight in the most populous state, which is also the internet's place of birth. Did you miss, or simply not understand, the word "commonly" as used in my post? It was put there specifically to distinguish from the technical sense of Coordinated Universal Time. How predictable that a try-hard pedant like you would ignore the "commonly" modifier, just to get in their little wanna-be nerd dig. Unless specified otherwise, Internet deadlines are by default taken to mean by midnight PST. The East Cost is the financial nexus, the West Cost is the technological nexus, and I've already partially explained why that is the case. But since you seem to be a slow learner, I'll elaborate. Jon Postel, the God of the Internet, lived and worked California, not New York. As did the Packet Radio Van: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_Radio_VanIf you can't accept that, tough shit. Go invent your own native internet and maybe it will get its own default time as well. Good luck!  There's no such thing as a default or "commonly" understood internet deadline. Show me one link that defaults to PST for something that's not specific to CA, OR, or WA. Where are there capital "I" internet deadlines that don't specify the timezone? Is there some Internet board of adjudication that I'm unaware of that specifies the default time zone when it's not specified? Go smoke some cali bud and chill out, iCEBREAKER. |
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Guys, announce will be tomorrow, sorry that you had to wait, it's completely my fault.
See you tomorrow!
Zoidberg
Tomorrow meaning Monday? Maybe it means Monday on the obscure island (Kiribati?) where you live. But default Internet Time is commonly understood as West Coast USA (PST), because that's where the first (UCLA to Stanford) transmission occurred and where Silicon Valley resides. Sweet dreams CZ, see you tomorrow (IE Sunday). lol you must be California dreaming. Linux time and Windows time both begin from some date in the past at midnight UT, and I think we can all agree that real world time would be ET, where the most important cities exist like Philadelphia, PA, Newark, DE, and Jersey City, NJ (also NYC and Washington DC). |
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baidu, bing, and yahoo do not produce any btctalk pages when searching for "ducknote" on the first couple pages of results here either, however, there are no other social networking/forum sites that pop up either (there are some g+ and other threads that pop up, but they don't actually have anything to do with ducknote the currency). I think maybe the ducknote subreddit popped up on one, but that is also english language. Are these guys using bbs? usenet? qq (the top forum results when searching from qq.com are actually reddit and then btctalk)?
so where exactly are these other communities of users?
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If the developer isn't doing a good job or completely abandoned the project it could be hardforked and a new donation address could be set up or completely removed. That in combination with the no votes makes it pretty fair in my opinion.
But this no vote does not matter too much. If 24/72 vote no, dev will get 48/72 this round. The rest is deferred to next round. So the next round subtoal will be larger. The total to be donated does not change, it just takes longer to collect the whole lot. That's kind of strange, and also some what at odds with: Developer Bounty: Up to 1% (Controlled by miner's votes)
which is, I think, the total extent of the information on the ANN page. Thanks for analysis though |
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Are we still paying royalty to CN developers? Is the royalty compulsively?
Yes, and not really. I think if you solo mine, then you can turn off the 1% donation, but if you mine at a pool, then I think they mostly have it turned on. It's really not clear, and I've asked for more information previously, and was told to read the source code. It would be nice if there was more than a vague sentence or two about miners voting on dev bounty for non-c++ programmers. Sorry if it looks shady. Maybe it would help if you simply explained how the voting works. For non-programmers it is a bit shady that the only way to know is to read the source or find some old thread discussions from May (if those are even still accurate). +2^64 |
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Hey everyone, just dipping my feet into myriad here.
Is there a Mac electrum wallet out for myriad?
There's not, but I think it should be pretty straightforward to run it using python, at least it's not too bad to do on ubuntu/debian. |
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I can say that ~10.000 workers mined DarkNote last month on average.
We expect 2000-3000 active miners and more that 10000 persons who have some XDN. That is an approximate value.
Do you mind me asking how you figured that out? Are you taking the hashrate and using the 2000-3000 miner number to represent the average hashrate per user of the network? That's what I'd do, divide the hashrate by the average hashrate obtainable by a standard computer owner I guess. What do you think? Maybe he means that he has a botnet of 1990 computers, so there's gotta be at least 10 other people mining? I kind of doubt the 10k persons number. I wrote a python script yesterday to parse how many posters there were on a bitcointalk thread, and on the duckNote thread there was a total of 287 different people who posted, and less than 150 people who posted more than one message. That would indicate almost a 100:1 lurker to poster ratio, which seems kinda high. I would be interested also in how the 10k persons number was arrived at. I will post some data tomorrow or the next day comparing btctalk activity amongst the different cryptonotes (along with the source code for anyone interested). |
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Are we still paying royalty to CN developers? Is the royalty compulsively?
Yes, and not really. I think if you solo mine, then you can turn off the 1% donation, but if you mine at a pool, then I think they mostly have it turned on. It's really not clear, and I've asked for more information previously, and was told to read the source code. It would be nice if there was more than a vague sentence or two about miners voting on dev bounty for non-c++ programmers. |
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Based on the details provided by Nekomata above, how is blockchain bloat considered "not really an issue"? Monero wants to grow and increase adoption but you are limiting your coin to only desktop computers and basically only 64 bit machines with plenty of ram. How will you offer mobile wallets for devices with a blockchain this big? If the blockchain wasn't so heavy on ram but increased at the rate given above, it would still be a storage issue for many devices. How will you expand your adoption and user base with this problem? To fix this, would it take a significant rewrite of the current code?
Based on the list above, there are at least $160,000 needed to complete 4 items before the blockchain bloat issue is considered. Shouldn't blockchain bloat be fixed first so you do not have to rebuild parts of the new GUI wallet that will cost "anything from $15k - $20k"? I assume that if significant changes are required to the code this could impact the wallet as well.
This is a silly argument. Do you know how mobile wallets for bitcoin work? Hint: they don't store the 25+ GB blockchain locally. |
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I totally remember reading about that discovery in Nature or Science...oh wait, it was published on Google Groups. Such legit |
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Does anyone know how many wallets are live, or how big the current userbase of DarkNote is?
As I was told the anonymous aspect of DarkNote prevents a richlist, but it would be very useful information if we could know how many people are actually using/stacking XDN,
and if this number has been rising steadily.
If you look through the old ducknote thread and this one, I think you will find there are significantly less posters than there are for other cryptonotes such as boolberry and monero, which is what makes the extremely fast emission rate troublesome - almost all of the coins were disbursed when interest in the coin was low. |
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