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381  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Best way to convert BTC -> GBP at the moment? on: August 03, 2012, 09:18:36 PM
As title says... (I have previously used Intersango/Britcoin but don't really trust it atm)

I don't think there is any problem with trust regarding Intersango, but they did have bank issues which means that at the moment deposit or withdrawals are very delayed in GBP (USD/Euro are ok AFAIK).

MtGox is the next option but you need to pay internation wire fees coming in or out, you're limited to 1K GBP withdrawal without getting verified at Gox (which means if you've got a lot then you need to pay the wire fee for each 1K GBP withdrawal).
382  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] FOO.PPPPT - Perpetual Pure Pirate Pass-Through Bonds - 7% weekly on: August 03, 2012, 09:06:15 PM
Asset control has been passed to Brendio.

Nefario
383  Other / Off-topic / Re: Nefario's takes on BC role in Bitcoinica = WTF on: August 03, 2012, 08:39:08 PM
Quote
Nefario's incendiary comment.

A guy's not allowed to have an opinion? Really is it coming to the point here when someone can't speak their mind?

Remember that I'm not involved in the bitcoinica faisco at all, and I don't see how I can help in any way.

Fact is I hadn't said much (or paid much attention) until people started coming after the conference.
384  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: In support of genjix on: August 03, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
I give up.
385  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: In support of genjix on: August 03, 2012, 02:32:27 PM
Show me where I'm wrong bro.
It's not that you're wrong, but the clusterfuck is Bitcoinica's responsibility, not the creditors. Even if they were innocent of malice, in my humble opinion they should have hired a professional to deal with the PR and with the claims. Instead, they apparently were overwhelmed, screwed up both the PR and the claims and then just gave up.

Tihan claims the trio had operational responsiblity when the fails happened. Hiring other professionals who can fix the mess would have then been fully up to the trio. That would have been a proper, mature and responsible course of action. I'm sure there are accountants and IT specialists in the community who would have helped if asked.

I think they're being made scapegoats, and they've tried to deal with it as best they could. You also assume they had the kinds of funds available to them at the time to be able to hire someone else to do PR and claims; unless they use funds from users this is not the case.
386  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: In support of genjix on: August 03, 2012, 02:15:52 PM
I see the whole thing as BitcoinConsultancy being handed a bomb that exploded in their hands, and then every prick doing nothing but shitting on them endlessly (in the hope that will get them their money back) while they try to clean up a mess someone else made, and then they get fucked again (by an insider).

I'm only surprised they haven't come out and told everyone to go and fuck themselves. I'm not surprised that they have not come forward to take what was stolen bitcoin as that would only implicate them in handling stolen goods, and really after the shit they have gotten do you blame them for throwing in the towel?

Really the way everyone, their mother and their dog has been hurling shit (and threats) at them (specifically at genjix, simply because he's engaged with people about it, and this is what he gets) makes me sick.

I genuinely think genjix would rather starve than steal or use stolen funds if it came to it, he is honest to a fault.

And this ... fucking mob, they turn on anyone who isn't behind them (started making accusations about me being colluding with the Intersango guys), it's disgusting.

Now prepare for the mob to descend upon this thread.



Wow, you lost all my respect with this post.

I hope you learn from this.


Show me where I'm wrong bro.
387  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: INTERSANGO PROBLEM??? JUL 2012 on: August 03, 2012, 02:13:20 PM
#31840 still waiting on withdrawal

Really they've got a few weeks of backlog to work through not to mention all the other things that are eating up their time.
388  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: In support of genjix on: August 03, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
I see the whole thing as BitcoinConsultancy being handed a bomb that exploded in their hands, and then every prick doing nothing but shitting on them endlessly (in the hope that will get them their money back) while they try to clean up a mess someone else made, and then they get fucked again (by an insider).

I'm only surprised they haven't come out and told everyone to go and fuck themselves. I'm not surprised that they have not come forward to take what was stolen bitcoin as that would only implicate them in handling stolen goods, and really after the shit they have gotten do you blame them for throwing in the towel?

Really the way everyone, their mother and their dog has been hurling shit (and threats) at them (specifically at genjix, simply because he's engaged with people about it, and this is what he gets) makes me sick.

I genuinely think genjix would rather starve than steal or use stolen funds if it came to it, he is honest to a fault.

And this ... fucking mob, they turn on anyone who isn't behind them (started making accusations about me being colluding with the Intersango guys), it's disgusting.

Now prepare for the mob to descend upon this thread.

389  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Unofficial attendance list - Bitcoin London 2012 on: August 02, 2012, 07:45:39 PM
Yeah thats going to be weird, my wife still has trouble accepting that I do something legit and it's bitcoin that pays the bills. I think she's expecting the police to show up any moment.

Enterprising Psychology PhD students should set up a booth to evaluate attendees for effects of early adopter syndrome. There's a great dissertation waiting to be written using this community as subjects.

More seriously, after all the accusations and bad blood on these boards arising from the Bitcoinica fallout and Pirate controversy, it should be therapueutic and good for people to actually interact as real human beings, hopefully revealing that not everyone's a scammer and the majority of early Bitcoin adopters are in fact honest, bright, and hardworking individuals.  Hopefully.


Maybe we can arrange a cagefight or something?
390  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Unofficial attendance list - Bitcoin London 2012 on: August 02, 2012, 05:43:56 PM
I'll be there, and look forward to the surreal experience of being entirely surrounded by people who actually know what Bitcoin is.

Yeah thats going to be weird, my wife still has trouble accepting that I do something legit and it's bitcoin that pays the bills. I think she's expecting the police to show up any moment.
391  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoinica Consultancy abandons customers. Bitcoinica to enter Liquidation on: August 02, 2012, 04:07:20 PM

This is rubbish, I've been responsible for the whole sponsorship side of the conference since day one, to say that stolen money was used for the conference is wrong in every way, unless you're calling me a thief.
http://www.bitcoin2012.com/sponsorship Intersango is listed at the very top of the page as a sponsor. It's personnel are heavily implicated in a massive bitcoin theft. Therefore it is concievable that if their guilt is proven, stolen funds may have been used to pay for the sponsorship.

BB.

They were sponsors since February when the planning for the conference began, before there was any involvement with bitcoinica.

There is no chance of any stolen funds being involved with the event.
392  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoinica Consultancy abandons customers. Bitcoinica to enter Liquidation on: August 02, 2012, 03:39:40 PM
If as many expect, the Intersango trio are eventually proven to be liable/culpable, it could be argued that the whole conference was sponsored by theives with stolen money.

BB.

This is rubbish, I've been responsible for the whole sponsorship side of the conference since day one, to say that stolen money was used for the conference is wrong in every way, unless you're calling me a thief.

This is what you will get if you continue to work together with them, accept it as it is. It isn't even spreading FUD if people tell you it is best to cut all ties with Intersango, you don't want to have angry people show up to wash their dirty laundry right in the workshops.

Cutting ties is one thing, accusing me of being a thief is another.
393  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoinica Consultancy abandons customers. Bitcoinica to enter Liquidation on: August 02, 2012, 03:27:17 PM
If as many expect, the Intersango trio are eventually proven to be liable/culpable, it could be argued that the whole conference was sponsored by theives with stolen money.

BB.

This is rubbish, I've been responsible for the whole sponsorship side of the conference since day one, to say that stolen money was used for the conference is wrong in every way, unless you're calling me a thief.
394  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [ANN] Bitcoinica Consultancy abandons customers. Bitcoinica to enter Liquidation on: August 02, 2012, 01:11:39 PM
Time to rigorously boycott Intersango and the "Bitcoin Conference" then?


BB.

No. Bitcoin conference is a major event which should absolutely not be made about the bitcoinica fiasco.

Chiming in on the whole Bitcoin conference (www.bitcoin2012.com) boycot idea, just to let you know that the Intersango guys are not the only ones involved in organising it.

If it's boycotted, all the work, time, effort, reputation and money that I and others(who are not involved with Bitcoinica) have already put into organising this conference will be destroyed. The venue has been paid for, awesome speakers have been arranged, over 100 tickets have been sold(and continuing fast, it's going to be sold out), and we've already got loads of sponsors (small bitcoin businesses mostly).

This event is going to be monumentous, as well as being a fantastic opportunity for bitcoiners to meet up, watch the talks, take part in the workshops, it's going to be a boon for bitcoin related businesses and some major PR for bitcoin itself.

If you guys want to turn this into a Bitcoinica rage then you'll destroy all this(other peoples money) and get nothing in return as a result.

Don't mix the conference up with the Bitcoinica affair, it will bring no good for anyone. It's going to be a great, historical event for bitcoin, and soon enough the world in general.

Nefario.


395  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: London Bitcoin meetups on: August 02, 2012, 09:43:34 AM
There is Bitcoin2012 London in September, there will be 700 people there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67199.0


www.bitcoin2012.com
396  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Unofficial attendance list - Bitcoin London 2012 on: August 02, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
I will be attending as I'm one of the organisers and a speaker, looking forward to seeing all of you there.

Nefario.
397  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2012- London 15-16 Sept | ANNOUNCEMENT tickets available on: August 02, 2012, 09:41:16 AM
Excuse me, as one of the organisers (who is not involved with bitcoinica in any way) I take considerable offence to this, I and others (who are also not involved in the bitcoinica saga) have put a huge amount of time, effort, energy and our own funds into the organising of this event, and you want to ruin what is to be not just a great conference for everyone involved in bitcoin, but what is surely to be a historic event(700 people).

You'd cut off your own nose to spite your face? Attempt to ruin something for hundreds of other people (who have paid for tickets, accomadation and transport, and the number of small bitcoin startups who've already sponsored the event). Do you realise you would be doing nothing to further your own agenda by taking such a route, but only fucking the whole thing up for everyone else?

And what about the media, you think it wouldn't refect badly on bitcoin because that's what this conference is about, bitcoin and bringing it to the world, how do you think it would look to the rest of the world when they read (in the back of a paper for certain) about bitcoin conference ruined by a small group of protesters who lost their funds on a bitcoin service.

It will be about bitcoin being a wild west, a place for thieves, unreliable. You want that kind of media attention?

I'd thank you to stop your juvenile talk of protests and keep anything bitcoinica related off my thread.
398  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greed on: August 01, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
"Greed is good" - Gordon Gecko.
399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Defeating Rubber-Hose Cryptanalysis on: July 31, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
I think SSS with the keys given to individuals spread over a large geographic location (multiple countries), their real identities need to be secret.

In some situations this might result in you getting killed, so you need to have deniable encyption as well.
400  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ayn rand on: July 31, 2012, 12:08:36 PM

The problem is, I don't see a complete picture when I take this perspective. For instance, it's ultimately unclear how things get initiated. Who the producer is and what rights they have are mostly determined by the temporary understanding of the interested group. Objective measures don't work well under scrutiny. It's clearer when you create a web site all by yourself, and gets messier as the work involves choices of other persons.

Or, for instance, we can question wealth itself. It's easy to understand the contractual hierarchy, but is there any justification for third persons to recognize the contract between unrelated agents?

So on and so forth... I think the basic fact is, biological boundaries are suitable for defining personhood because of obvious practical reasons, and social structures based on human individuality are more efficient because of this. But there is nothing more to it.

I have no idea what you're saying with this, could you....rephrase it please?
As a side note, it's been stated countless times in my life that it's my duty to carry the burden because I'm the strong person, especially by family and close friends. That's why the story told in Atlas Shrugged made me smile a bit. Yes, being among people who despise the idea of welcoming weakness would be a good thing. It's a good story. Still, mediocre writing skills.


Well that is the crux of the matter, you're the strong person, and you'll help people out of the goodness of your heart, because you choose to. Otherwise you're just an ox with a heavy yoke being driven for the gain of others and you have no say.

This is where religion, love, charity etc. comes into play, and Rand simply argues (correctly) that once you have wealth as a result of your effort, it's yours and what you do with it is up to you. One of her main characters Reirden, spent a great amount of his wealth helping others, but thats besides the point.

The point being that the wealth they created is theirs, and they are under no obligation to share.
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