Hi All, I am struggling to work out why I don't see any incoming peers when I've been up for a few days now and so far as I can tell I have all ports forwarded and opened. 9332, 9333, 8333 Any ideas? http://pool.norgzpool.net.au:9332 |
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No. It has zero affect on hashing power  Cool, in that case: ]NorgzPool beta is up and running in se Asia. http://pool.norgzpool.net.au:9332Use BTC address as username. No fee other than alt coins. Please feel free to point some of your miners at it to help me test. Thank you. 😁 |
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So sorry if this has already been asked, but here it goes:
I want to set up a public p2pool node (SE Asia and soon Australia) and I've set it up for merged mining. How can I pass the merged mining coins onto miners who connect to my pool? is it possible?
That is much more difficult and requires outside support. Consider it your fee. What coins did you add? Nmc, dvc and ixc. I guess that would require a system to log in users and track which alt coins they mined. So if I say my pool is 0% fee but I mine those alt coins, is it taking anything away from the hashing power for btc? |
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So sorry if this has already been asked, but here it goes:
I want to set up a public p2pool node (SE Asia and soon Australia) and I've set it up for merged mining. How can I pass the merged mining coins onto miners who connect to my pool? is it possible?
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such a firey debate! haha..........I can't help but think BFL has copped more flack than perhaps it should have...i'm not excusing anything they have done, I just understand some of it I guess and I certainly don't deny those unhappy customers their right to dissatisfaction nor do I think they are wrong.
Do you really consider preorder money for nonexistant hardware to be profit? Before shipping a single machine they are allowing employees and their family members free access to customer funds? And how can you blame china for BFLs failures? Are you really BFL josh? How can component delays delay your product? You should have everything ready months in advanced. You do realize that a majority of the hashrate is powered by chinese machines? The a1 miners and bitmain have never sold preorders nor have they scammed customers like BFL has. BFL has shown time and time again that they only use preorders as a marketing scheme. They don't sell in stock hardware because they are not confident in their abilities to deliver on time or to specification. This is fraud plain and simple. Yes you are right, they should have had them ready before announcing shipping dates but they obviously didn't and can you blame them for trying to get in early and become the first to have fast efficient machines. IF they spent customer money before machines were built and delivered then they were very silly, it can only be profit once all the bills are paid and that includes customer refunds if applicable. I think you'll find most companies balance stock with orders and will delay shipments (sure not as much as 6 months) but I guess that's the risk strategy BFL chose and it hasn't paid off for many of it's customers. |
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such a firey debate! haha
Look, if a company makes money (profit) then they are entitled to spend that as they see fit. If they run out of cash to refund customers or just flat out refuse then I personally think that's a bit rough. I can't help but point out though that mostly they have said preorders have dates that are estimates and they can vary. What seems to be in dispute here is what is a reasonable delay in shipping. Obviously some customers don't; agree with BFL's judgement of reasonable delays. I can understand this for first run and even second but you would think you could get more accurate dates after that.
I still think there needs to be more balance in this whole thing. If you were a new manufacturer and your suppliers (most likely from china) kept letting you down and not delivering the components you need (which lets face it is pretty common with Chinese manufacturing) then you would hope that your customers, who were told and accepted that this is all pretty new development stuff, would be understanding.
You would also though get some funding behind you so that you could afford to refund some customers as it's inevitable that some will not be happy and you want to ensure a good reputation.
I can't help but think BFL has copped more flack than perhaps it should have...i'm not excusing anything they have done, I just understand some of it I guess and I certainly don't deny those unhappy customers their right to dissatisfaction nor do I think they are wrong.
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Attack has nothing to do with DNS. So no...
Now that I think about it a bit more, of course it wouldn't. Thanks Lucko. Now, doing such an attact is easy: packets are transmitted somewhat randomly over Internet. An attacker might monitor packets passing trough his node, and detect those who look like stratum packets, and trivially know the IP of the server, the miner and the port number of each.
How widespread is this attack, how many users have been affected so far? Are other pools experiencing the same problem, or just Eligius? If its just Eligius, it could be because an attacker, having discovered the originating IP address and public key ( wallet address ) from intercepting packets that pass through their node, can then go to the users pool stats page and see what their average hashrate is without the need of any authentication ***. If this is the case, and its just a guess, along with encrypting the connections between miners and servers, the stats feature might need to have authentication added to it as well? *** assuming that the attacker would be doing this because it would not be worth their time to do a sequencing attack on a user with a low hashrate Interesting hypothesis. I wonder if all of those attacked are running full Bitcoin nodes at the same public IP addresses? I am not running a node at my public IP. I have seen this issue on Eligius and on Ghash |
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Like is said though how could we possibly prove that BFL is mining on EMC?
They've already admitted to it. It's in the court record, straight from BFL's lawyer. Fair enough. I know they own EMC, that's pretty publicly known. I've not read any of the court stuff. Seems like a huge mess to me! I feel sorry for everyone involved on both sides. |
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ahh ok I was looking at the 1th/s one: Shipping Schedule
This is a Pre-Order product which is not yet shipping. If you're uncomfortable waiting until the development is complete and the product is shipped, do NOT pre-order this product. Perhaps undesirable, but this is a pre-order market. Customers flatly demand to get in line for the new technology before it's finished development. This has created a lot of drama for the manufacturers but it's something we simply have to deal with. All manufacturers in this space have experienced some degree of delay with their first generation ASIC. Every last one of them, so we're reluctant to give a specific delivery date. However, this is our second generation, so we have much greater clarity on the process and plan to begin shipments in May 2014. Orders are shipped in order date priority so any order placed now should be expected to be delivered in June.
Like is said though how could we possibly prove that BFL is mining on EMC? I really don't have enough facts myself to properly comment on the claims except to ask the above about the claim of using customer hardware. False advertising is difficult when there are no actual promises on exact dates. If they don't deliver at all then sure you should get your money back and if they take 6 months to deliver then one could assume that it is not delivered so sure, a full refund should be given. Have BFL not been refunding people who have preorders? I don't know what the local laws are there or how they translate to international sales but I know our local laws cover all of that and any Consumer Tribunal member would easily rule for an order to pay and your money is back. I feel like I have stepped into a much bigger argument than I currently know of so excuse me if I seem to be over simplifying or have anything wrong. I am genuinely interested though and I am struggling to prove to you that I'm just trying to get an idea of how this industry works. I put my (no reputation) on the line to share something positive and all I am copping is accusations. |
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I like eligius a lot as a pool, but whatever is causing these DDOS attacks needs to be dealt with properly rather that just fail-safeing the stats page every other day
I agree, please help figure out which government has jurisdiction and rant at them to make an arrest  Seems that DDoS attacks are a problem the whole internet community is harmed by. Shouldn't routers be able to tell that a spoofed return packet shouldn't be coming from a particular upstream? that's a very good point, I just enabled ip address spoof protection on my juniper ssg haha that should help! |
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So I would work very hard to make these consumers happy consumers who you've dealt with. I lol'd It'd be funny if it weren't for the fact the Judge didn't really get see the long list of people complaining. If he had I doubt Sonny V. be going to BFL HQ everyday. The likelihood of him actually getting jail time increases each day and with each new Monarch "pre-order". All they need next time they drag him in front of a judge is an expert that explains what was happening (is happening) at Eclipse during burn in "testing" miners which is something they denied doing at the time. Game over. how could they prove that? they would need to get a warrant for connection logs or something right? I noticed the monarch product page is very clear about being preorders and that they cannot promise any dates and that if you don't like that then don't order. How is that illegal or even immoral? (putting aside the hashing on eclipse). What do you think of the photos? does that prove to you that I got a brand new unit (even if this is the exception rather than the rule). |
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New board sent:  |
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I spent the better part of the day investigating this issue. - It's not a pool side hack - No pool servers are or were compromised
- It's not a pool-side close network hack - No datacenter infrastructure is compromised
- It only affects certain clients, is not pool wide, and affects affected clients repeatedly
Presumably there is some issue with some client side routing hardware that is being exploited. Anyone effected, please post how your connected to the net. PC->Router->Cable Modem, etc, with makes/models of such so we can possibly narrow this down. Multiminer using bfgminer 3.99 via Juniper Networks SSG140 and using local DNS servers with forwarders to ISP DNS. |
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I am running them at work so not paying for power myself and the amount they draw is so small on the power footprint we have. As for the photo's I received a brand new board today for the RMA. Old damaged unit:    New one arrived today will upload in a moment. |
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I just wanted to share something positive for once.
Meaning you have not shared positive things before? Or is it you know that they have been slammed hard for being scammers and are trying to defend them? Very interesting turn of phrase almost like you have been following this for years not weeks. It is clear you want to say something positive about BFL you have done it 3 times now but when are you going to comment about your thoughts on the negatives aspects? I'd like to hear you comment on those accusations leveled against BFL. The lawsuits? The fact the majority shareholder of BFL just received another 2 years on his probation for his activities related to BFL that Judge clearly thinks STINKS. We want to know what you think of the millions in lost revenue and hundreds if not thousands that have been injured and continue to be injured by BFL? You come across unsympathetic to the plight of those who have been seriously damaged by BFL and given their latest product the Monarch the problems continue to grow each day. People might listen if you balance things out and properly weigh in on those negative issues as well. You can't judge a company on one good review nor one bad review can you? What have you got to say about the millions lost? for once, meaning I have seen all the negativity posted about BFL and really in general I find myself let down by bad customer service from many vendors. So it is nice to be able to share a good customer service experience. I am one to look into any area of interest I find myself exploring and have been seeing the negative BFL stuff posted here and in news articles. As for commenting on the negative aspects this is how I see it from what I've read so far: BFL have been having issues with delayed shipping of pre-orders and not meeting supposed deadlines. I have never ordered new hardware from BFL so cannot comment on my own experiences with this. I have a habit of not really concerning myself with other peoples problems so from my own personal point of view I have only had positive experiences with BFL. I don't know why you are hell bent on getting someone's opinion on something they have not personal had any experience on. If you really want my opinion on it then here you go: It sounds like BFL may have mislead some customers into buying equipment that wasn't delivered according to what they were promised. I can imagine trying to get things manufactured and tested when there are no real industry experts or documentation on may be difficult and I can understand some delay in these new products. It sounds like BFL have tried to refund or compensate people for late deliveries which some people find inadequate. Do I know or think BFL have done anything intentionally wrong? Maybe, I don't know enough facts to be honest and I'm not one to go around slamming people or companies unless I personally have some proof on it. I think opiem2 has a very good point, great customer service can make a HUGE difference to customer satisfaction. I guess time will tell what will happen and what the facts are here. Bottom line is, if you don't like them then don't buy from them. If you did and no longer want to deal with them then ask for a refund, I'm sure they will oblige and if not I know our trade laws in Australia cover us to ensure a refund on any product that is not delivered or not performing as advertised. I didn't post here to speculate on the bad experiences of customers, I posted here to share something that I found to be very positive. I hope this is an indication of the real intent of BFL and maybe they will start delivering stuff or learning to be more conservative with delivery dates to set the right customer expectations. |
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yup my miners went offline a few hours ago and when I logged on all showed 0MH/s. switched over to Emc and they are humming along nicely. Any ideas on when any fix may be applied and how best to stop it?
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Name: norgan
Posts: 10
Activity: 10
Position: Newbie
Date Registered: April 01, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
Last Active: April 24, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Newbie account makes thread singing praises of BFL. Inaba magically appears to defend the thread. BFL white knight drools all over thread.
Is it 2012? 2013? or 2014?
ok ok I get it, there is a lot of hurt from BFL. I am not working for nor have I anything to do with them. I honestly have just felt like they gave me great service. I never thought I simple bit of feedback would turn into such a big discussion. I have learnt a lot for this that's for sure. For the record, I am not standing up for BFL and I couldn't care less what happens to them. I just wanted to share something positive for once. Yes I am new, I have been mining for around 2 months and only have this BFL and a couple of U2's and a yellow jacket. You can look me up, norgan is all over the web and I've been in the IT industry for almost 20 years. For interest here is my comms with BFL, judge for yourself (sanitised a little so I don't get added to spam lists: From: ButterflyLabsINC .
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2014 3:42 AM
To: xxxx
Hello Nathan-
Your Tracking number is: CJ241898478US VIA: USPS Tracking
Regards,
Nathan X.
Butterfly Labs Inc.
Customer Service
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Nathan xxxx<xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Nathan, the unit has arrived. I cannot see my RMA in my account. Are you able to add it in so I can track it please?
Sent from Windows Mail
From: ButterflyLabsINC .
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2014 1:43 AM
To: Nathan xxxx
Greetings Nathan-
Unfortunately at this time we can not upgrade the unit to a 60Gh/s Miner or supply the parts to upgrade yourself. Making any modifications to the PCB board will void the warranty and are not recommended to attempt unless you are adequately trained in PCB board / chip set soldering. We will keep an eye out for your package.
Regards,
Nathan X.
Butterfly Labs Inc.
Customer Service
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Nathan xxxxxx <xxxxx> wrote:
Hey Nathan,
Board is on it’s way. How much would it cost to have the second side populated to make it a 60Gh/s unit? even if you just supply the components that I can solder on would be an option.
Sent from Windows Mail
From: ButterflyLabsINC .
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2014 4:42 AM
To: Nathan xxxxxx
Greetings Nathan-
You can just send in the board for repair if it would make shipping costs easier. We will repair the board and have it shipped back via USPS Standard Shipping normally within 3-5 business days of the unit's arrival.
Regards,
Nathan X.
Butterfly Labs Inc.
Customer Service
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Nathan xxxx <xxxxxx> wrote:
Thankyou. What exactly will happen? I just want to understand as it will be costly to send in. Will you repair? What cost will there be to me? Do i have to send the entire unit or can i just send the board by itself?
Sent from my Windows Phone
From: ButterflyLabsINC .
Sent: 3/04/2014 2:35 AM
To: Nathan xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: TECH Form: Damaged bitforce sc orion
Greetings Nathan-
Your RMA number is: xxxxxx-RMA You will need to write this on both sides of the parcel box with your defective unit along with a note indicating it is a Third Party RMA. You will want to ship it to:
Butterfly Labs
c/o RMA Dept.
10770 El Monte
Suite 101
Overland Park, KS 66211
I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Regards,
Nathan X.
Butterfly Labs Inc.
Customer Service
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Nathan xxxxx <xxxxxxx> wrote:
RMA #00000
Sent from Windows Mail
From: ButterflyLabsINC .
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 3:33 AM
To: Nathanxxxx
Greetings Nathan-
Very sorry to hear about the issues you're experiencing with the miner you received. Since you are not the original owner, we will have to initiate a Third Party RMA. I will need the serial number located on the back of the miner along with your name and current shipping address before we can proceed further.
Regards,
Nathan X.
Butterfly Labs Inc.
Customer Service
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:09 PM, <xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Name: Nathan
Email: xxxxxxx
Message:
Hi, I have purchased a second hand unit and it looks to have water damage (I was told "taken apart for cleaning, now doesn't work").
I was wondering if you could assist in repair. Either I can send you the base board for repair or if you could assist with circuit diagrams so I can troubleshoot myself. IT is what it is and you will either write this off as BFL bs or you'll read the emails and believe that I just wanted to share something positive. I have never in my life had a company be ok with dismantling a product bought second hand and still honour warranty. Perhaps they are just trying to impress me to buy more products (not going to work since I am not ok with investing any real cash in mining) but either way, it's a great win for me and I am happy with the result. |
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Bicknellski, I have not had any experience of that and I don't doubt it has happened. I am simply stating that I've not experienced it directly and in fact quite the opposite.
I would be happy to post photos of the damaged device and will ask if they mind if I include transcripts of the emails we have had.
1. You didn't buy directly from BFL. - Nope
2. You bought a unit made by BFL that had failed due to "water damage" not something else like a straight up product failure. - yup, inspected myself, surprised the board wasn't completely screwed based on the look of it.
3. You got an immediate reply for RMA and they repaired it / replaced it even though you admitted you were not the original purchaser? (That is counter to the 100's of RMA complaints of paid customers in hundreds of posts in multiple locations) What year and month was your RMA? yup, this was only this month.
4. That tells you, ignoring all the other threads and complaints, they are a great company that stands behind their products? not ignoring anything, I just wanted to share a positive experience in amongst all this negativity.
I will take photos of the repaired board once I get it and post them side by side of how I received it.
I totally get your scepticism and appreciate the issues BFL have been experiencing/causing. I am pretty new to mining and learning a lot fast but I do know customer service having worked in the IT industry for almost 20 years now and this is one of the best experiences I've had. Not perfect mind you as they had put the wrong postal code on the package so it got a little lost but has been found now and should be with me after the long weekend.
More than happy to answer any and all other questions you may have. Feel free to message me direct if you wish to have a more frank discussion or want to verify my independence/Identity.
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I bought a broken 30Gh/s unit locally here in Australia. It was clearly water damaged (maybe just for being outside) but I had bought it for $80 taking a punt that I may be able to fix it.
I was considering JTAG'ing it but then contacted BFL on a whim.
They replied overnight and stated that they'd fix it, even though I said I took it apart, bought it second hand and broken at that.
It's now back in Australia with return postage paid (I just paid to ship it there) and should have it in the next day or so (Aust. Post being stupid).
Full credit for BFL for standing behind their products and at the cost to me so far, that machine will surely be profitable before long. (yes I know, it's slow. but I am just having fun with it for now).
So bottom line, that would have to be the best customer service hands down that I have ever received.
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I get that was a significant issue but to me, having only dealt with them on this one transaction, they have been amazing. Perhaps they meant well and tried to deliver but had issues and are now really trying to do the right thing.
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