why is Azure insane for a project like this? I was suggesting it for individuals to run nodes. All you need is a business or to be a student. it's a good deal and I have nodes running on the Singapore dc's with great stats. Sorry, I meant running a distributed pool of p2pool servers on a MSDN credit Azure account is insane  . I have some doubts that Azure would be the right platform p2pool in general though, there are better (technically that is) alternatives out there. I don't know if you have used EC2 but there is a reason that the "big players" use it. Neil my azure node runs more efficiently than my VMware one locally. the whole EC2 v Azure argument is mute since they are both built for the same kind of performance and scalability. it really comes down to interface and any specific features. I've spent a lot of time with Azure and migrated our company to it. "The big players use it" (EC2) because they were up first and they committed to it, Azure is the underdog that has really proven to deliver a very rich featureset and give AWS a run for their money. Even Amazon admit that MS do SQL better on Azure than they can. Anyway, this is not exactly a hosting thread so i'll leave it at that and you can decide for yourself. |
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The actual setup of the p2pool servers is the easy bit. If I were doing it I would use Amazon EC2 with SSD's etc... (Auzure is just insane for a project like this) Load Balances to mitagate DDOS, DNS to direct the user to the closes server ... all the good stuff. My real life job has me doing something similar.
The real issue is getting community support behind it in order to pay for it. If I could work out how to do that I would spin up a set of servers tomorrow. Perhaps a crowdfunding campaign?
Neil
why is Azure insane for a project like this? I was suggesting it for individuals to run nodes. All you need is a business or to be a student. it's a good deal and I have nodes running on the Singapore dc's with great stats. Azure has full load balancing and all the good stuff that Amazon has. To be quite frank they are almost identical but I've managed to get the Azure credit with free hosting and Amazon provide nothing like that. |
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That doesn't solve any issues, the blockchain download alone to run p2pool is greater than 3.5 gb Edit: I'm sorry, I'm tired and didn't realize you were talking about RAM. You could also use a service like linode.com. $20/mth gets you 2gb or RAM and a dual core for a month, where Azure becomes $111 to $134 /mth after your free month. You can also get 4gb of RAM and 4 cores from linode.com for $40/mth. There is also digitalocean.com. Another option I've mentioned before is a company called CrownCloud.net. They're a bitcoin-friendly hosting provider. They don't allow cloud mining, but they do allow you to run a bitcoin node and pool software, and they also take payment in bitcoin. Two of their packages in particular stand out. One's an OpenVPS package in Frankfurt, Germany, and the other is in their LA location. Both offer 3GB RAM, 50GB HDD, and plenty of CPU and bandwidth for $30 annually. Perfect for hosting a full bitcoin node and p2pool. Those particular packages are frequently out of stock; I was able to nab one by following them on Twitter and waiting for them to announce more capacity. Guys, look into both of those programs. I've had $160US/month of Azure credit for 3 years now. It's not just one month free! They have dropped the allowance now to $110us/month but still great for any student or person with registered business or tax id. you get quite a bit of storage included in that. I a whole bunch of machines under my msdn account but I can tell you that the $110 allowance would be plenty of ram, cpu, storage and bandwidth to run a node quite happily. |
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1. Problem: installation is too difficult P2Pool comes complete with a partial solution for this one, you could have public servers so people don't have to go through all that it takes to setup and maintain your own. The issue is paying for them. I have been hashing through different ideas in my head but as of yet I have not come up with anything that floats. Neil sign up to BizSpark or dreamspark and get access to free Azure credit. enough to run a dual core 3.5gb sever for the whole moth for free. http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/default.aspxhttps://www.dreamspark.com/ |
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I don't know about some of these calculators. My 230gh/s earns me around $4.5 us/day and I got over $30 worth overnight off p2pool.
Go have a look on my node (in sig) if you don't believe me. It's all there under stats and payouts.
With those numbers you 1) have free power 2) are getting incredibly lucky - $30 overnight, a 3.5TH Neptune can't even do that overnight. Most people would not be able to follow in your footsteps - it's why everybody can't be a Warren Buffet. 1. yes, free power 2. yes p2pool has had good luck lately. there of course has been worse luck going back a week or so. either way there is money to be made but if you are paying for electricity then you have to watch your bottom line closely. like I said the node is in my sig (i'm the 1minerxxx address) you can see the payments I have. that address is only used for my mining operations. no rented hash is used on that addy. ( I have other wallets to keep that separate). |
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I don't know about some of these calculators. My 230gh/s earns me around $4.5 us/day and I got over $30 worth overnight off p2pool.
Go have a look on my node (in sig) if you don't believe me. It's all there under stats and payouts.
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Ok so the main function of mining is to sign transactions right? So if time between blocks is ten minutes and people doing BTC transactions are expecting those transactions to happen almost instantly the we need either more hashing power or a drop in diff immediately? (or both)
Am I seeing this right? I've seen m's pool monitor predict a drop for the last few days as well, not sure what that is based off though.
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Also I have 1 S2 in the mix, and it mostly stays at 1010 or there about according to the stats??? once in awhile it will go into the 900s but in an hour or so I will see it back up.... Interesting... virtually everyone who owns one has seen and reported at least a 10% loss. There's been plenty of discussion on this - kano has been working to release a stable version of cgminer for the S2 that plays nicely with p2pool... Bitmain has been sent a ton of data and has replied that they indeed intend to support p2pool and have their core devs working on it. Anyway, stick around. At first the variance is hard to accept, especially if you're coming from "the pool that shall not be named," but in the long run, I think you'll like it here. OK - I have faith...... maybe a little less money to pay my electric.... But I will have faith. You all seem like great peps and this feels like the way to go. Sorry if I have taken up a lot of the board this afternoon with my nonsense.... But I needed this little bit of help to help me make my mind up and not just give up on the p2pool..... Thanks again. Bryon That's what we are here for mate. I took 35gh/s to p2pool and have since added another 200, my payouts have been less frequent but I've been very happy with the value of them. I feel like I am getting much more than when I was hashing on other pools. |
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Has anyone ever tried clocking an S1 beyond 400 MHz? Bitmain docs give settings info to clock up to 500 MHz. If anyone has tried let me know the power draw and hash rate and error rates you were getting. Thanks.
As per datasheet 400M is very much possible. But the issue is with HWE%, it will be huge. Also the huge power consumption will not make it run profitably. Further, the DC-DC voltage converters will not be able to handle that much and will overheat and fail. No where heard anyone did it successfully for a prolonged period. If you are trying it don't forget to update the result. 406mhz at 41 degrees. Hw 0.7% for a few days now That's great. You got a special S1. My S1 will give 0.7% HWE much before that. At stock clock itself my temperatures are at 40-45. It is a special little unit that's for sure. In return I've looked after it with nice big second fan and heatsinks all round. |
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Has anyone ever tried clocking an S1 beyond 400 MHz? Bitmain docs give settings info to clock up to 500 MHz. If anyone has tried let me know the power draw and hash rate and error rates you were getting. Thanks.
As per datasheet 400M is very much possible. But the issue is with HWE%, it will be huge. Also the huge power consumption will not make it run profitably. Further, the DC-DC voltage converters will not be able to handle that much and will overheat and fail. No where heard anyone did it successfully for a prolonged period. If you are trying it don't forget to update the result. 406mhz at 41 degrees. Hw 0.7% for a few days now |
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Bitmain - can you confirm that these have been tested & are working on p2pool?
Yes Bitmain, please confirm this. I bought 2 x S2's that I can't use with p2pool...... I want some of these to run on p2pool, have these been tested and verified to work efficiently with p2pool? |
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That's odd. Share difficulty is high (2.3m), but pool hashrate is low.
M
the hash rate is up a little bit. 454th/s |
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What is TRC? *boggle*
isn't that the short for terracoin? It shouldn't be - this is the BTC Pools board. LOL btw been seeing a lot of dead and stales lately, this happened last week before our nice little run of blocks. |
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Lets say that each of the bigger topics such as bitmain hardware, pools, software such as bfgminer etc are actually subforums that assigned moderators are allowed to then create more subforums under.
Any individual can request a new subforum for when they run up a new project, be it hardware or pool or whatever.
I think this would create a more orderly hierarchy
People don't adhere to even the flat hierarchy as it is now - they won't with anything deeper. That's always a struggle but that will always be a problem which will not make any difference to enabled deeper hierarchy. I reckon you warrant your own subforum just for hardware guides for example. |
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Lets say that each of the bigger topics such as bitmain hardware, pools, software such as bfgminer etc are actually subforums that assigned moderators are allowed to then create more subforums under.
Any individual can request a new subforum for when they run up a new project, be it hardware or pool or whatever.
I think this would create a more orderly hierarchy
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This makes it near impossible to properly look up information.
You may use the forum search or google search with "site:bitcointalk.org". Each subforum should allow users to create subforums.
Not sure if I understand your idea correctly. Do you mean any users can create subforums as they want? If that is the case, I am afraid it could be and would be abused to create lots of craps... I think the search is limited and there should be more granular presentation of sub-forums. Maybe not let everyone create but make it easier to create them and/or create more of them. Each pool, hardware vendor, sub-type should have a sub-forum. as it is now there is one main then one level down. |
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Or maybe adding tags would be enough?
Tags are one thing but it would just read and browse so much better if the hierarchy were sorted. looks at forums such as Xda-developers and how much easier it is to find information. if you want info on a specific device, go to that devices subforum. if you want dev related into go to development in that devices subforum or development in the platform subforum. |
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When I first came to this board I was shocked by the flatness of it. The tree depth is very shallow and each thread is so long.
This makes it near impossible to properly look up information.
Each subforum should allow users to create subforums.
e.g.
Mining => hardware should have sub forums for each manufacturer and then types of queries as below:
Mining => hardware => Bitmain => S1 => setup
Mining => hardware => Bitmain => S1 => tech support
Mining => hardware => Bitmain => S1 => overclocking
Mining => hardware => Bitmain => S1 => misc
To be quite honest I wonder why anyone even uses Bitcointalk with such a messy way of posting and responding to posts.
I know I struggle with it and I see things asked over and over again when it could more easily be found by looking in those deeper sub-forums, this would in turn save many posts since it has already been asked and answered elsewhere.
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I don't see how upgrading an S1 would be cost effective. I guess it depends on the chip cost and work required to replace the existing chips vs selling the S1.
you would not replace the chips - you would replace the two PCBs and keep the fan/frame/heatsink. Its not viable until the S1 is worthless (another 2 months if you undervolt or have cheap power), but would save about $20 in raw materials ($7 fan, $13 aluminum), maybe $5 worth of assembly time, and about $40-60 on shipping. Overall it would be a savings for bitmain of about $60-80 and probably passed on to buyers as a $40-60 discount over an assembled S3. IT would be cool it the upgrade was a new controller and two new s3 boards with the controller able to control all four boards. 2 x s1 boards undervolted and underclocked plus two s3 board. giving you around 600-700gh/s@approximately 600watts |
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