Yes they have virtual cards but to get one you must be verified and you must also pass their partner bank's KYC requirements. One of those requirements is to have a utility bills or verifiable evidence of residence in the European Union or in those countries the cards are restricted to.

If you don't live in Europe, you can't get any of the current cards offered by Cryptopay. The card is issued by Wave Crest.

skrrtskrrtyo on September 28, 2017, 06:05:32 PM
as tittle says im looking to sell all of my bitcoins for indian or chinese bank transfer or western union in india or china

im going to send the bitcoin first, I know im new but forgive me
in stock 3.64 BTC
contact skype : pregent.guns


Yep, the post history says it all. Be careful. This might be a well-orchestrated sophisticated scam in the making.

He apparently wants to send 3.64 bitcoins first... then struggles with strange transfers on his blockchain account. I can't help being wary when someone begs for forgiveness while offering to send $20,000 first.

Probably a trap of some kind. Whatever the case, keep your eyes peeled and and your head sober and alert when dealing with this person.

Don't keep coins on this exchange. That way, you won't go through sleepless nights worrying about the fate of your coins. They can take their sweet time verifying your account... as long as everybody here collectively keeps a zero balance on Bittrex, it's the exchange which will suffer from lack of trade activity and liquidity.

It's all of you who encourage them to operate with impunity. They have your coins and they sit back and verify 1 account every 12 hours, while sipping on cappuccino and checking their Facebook feeds every now and then.

Keep your coins on an offline account.

You seem to be talking to yourself on this thread. Little to no input and interest from others here.

Good to read you found a solution. Issues like this are best raised with Bitstamp support directly. I admit it takes time to hear back from them but they are really the ones who can offer a more authoritative answer to your questions.

Caveat emptor, guys. Do your due diligence and beware of the traps.

If the tickets are "carded" you not only will be offloaded from the flight but also arrested and prosecuted for fraud, even if you claim to have purchased the ticket with bitcoin. Ignorance is no defense. Judges won't buy the i'm-a-victim-here look on your face.

If the tickets are booked with miles or frequent flyer points, airlines audit such points. Best solution would be to fly first while the coins are held in escrow until after the trip. (tip: a scammer will refuse this arrangement)

Don't trade that business class seat for a prison cell. The latter isn't pleasant. At all.

Gripping my chair tightly in eager anticipation of who goes first here.

Not wanting to assume or presume quickly but I can't stress enough how important it is to trade with common sense. Some accounts are born here on a daily basis for the sole purpose of filching a few satoshis. Yes, that's how desperate they are.

And you have the PayPal tactic where you are asked to send first, insisting you can dispute if you don't get the coins. It's not that easy. Disputing and disputing successfully are two totally different stories.

I said it before and I will say it again. The only safe coins are those stored in a wallet whose private keys you and you alone know and control.

Storing large amounts of coins in an exchange is playing with fire. Anything can happen anytime.

Store your coins in your own non-online wallet on a safe device.

Trade on an exchange and immediately migrate the coins to your offline wallet. Paper wallets have my fullest confidence and faith. Store multiple copies of them in safe locations. A bank's safe deposit box, for example. Or just like I do... I emailed half of the private key to myself and the other half to another trusted email account.

When you put your coins on an exchange, you effectively surrender control and ownership of those coins to the exchange. That account balance you see on your laptop's screen is just numbers and nothing else. It's just like a bank's online banking site telling you your balance is $5000 but the cold hard cash is stored in the bank's vaults. Unless you are actually holding that money in your hand, it's not yours.

This is how scams are born.

A verified account is a personalized account in the name of the person who verified it. They are not transferable. Buying them is just like buying someone's ID and identity. That identity is linked to the verified account.

Going by logic, you are offering to buy such an account because you can't verify one yourself. That's just my guess. Another (much more highly probable reason) is that you want to use the account for less-than-legal purposes. Such as laundering stolen coins or using the account to receive funds from questionable sources.

If anyone is considering selling such an account, consider the consequences if any of my presumptions above turn out to be true.

Sad. Just so sad to read disasters like this.

$35k down the drain. I wonder how you can keep your cool and stay composed. I would be totally out of my senses if someone stole that much money from me.

That 19n.. address shows total inputs of 10 BTC. That's one big haul.

So what the scammer probably did was he deliberately locked your account by trying multiple wrong passwords. Then he gambled on you googling and finding that number to call. My my, are they smart. They come up with new schemes every single day.

Guys, be careful.

Incredible. Just like that. Give me your bank data and I will transfer 20 million Euros right now.

I'm reeling from all these stories of wealth here but I guess there really are people swimming in money. One guy on another thread is "struggling" to get rid of 1007.3 bitcoins (or he hopes he has them). And here's someone who can't wait to wire you 20m Euros on behalf of a client.

If true, this is of course without inherent dangers. The account you are wiring from... that needs to pass multiple authentication and verification checks to ensure it doesn't belong to some old guy with Alzheimers or dementia in a nursing home, unaware of what's going on with his account. Or some IT guy who figured out a backdoor to his employer's corporate account.

A wire transfer is dangerously reversible. If anyone takes a wild interest in doing this transaction, do not forget the value of doing due diligence.

There are bitcoin ATMs in Sydney and Melbourne. Not sure about Brisbane (I read somewhere there was a raid of some kind and it was removed) and probably no ATM in Adelaide and Perth.

Localbitcoins is definitely the best source for both locals and non-locals. It might be less challenging if you have an Australian driver licence. Most sellers want ID to protect themselves from MITM. Most if not all sellers will want cash deposit and you will need to follow their instructions carefully to avoid issues or problems of any kind.

If you are in Sydney and if you don't mind driving, you can try the ATM:

http://www.bitrocket.co/

You haven't mentioned in all your ramblings a single word about how you intend to pay for the bitcoins. I suspect however that it's PayPal and you're delaying it or somehow perhaps hoping to mention it by private message to catch the coin seller off guard.

Regardless of your claimed nervousness, there is the coin seller who also needs to be nervous of you, a newbie, about how you intend to pay for the coins. If it's PayPal, then I will tell you this upfront and bluntly: it is a reversible payment method and people are to be aptly forewarned about accepting such payment from you. Escrow will not protect the coin seller. PayPal can be reversed up to 180 days from time and day of payment.

If it's an irreversible payment method (a wire transfer is reversible... an Interac E-Payment is reversible... a bank transfer is reversible, just so you are aware) then escrow is well advised here and is in fact mandatory to avoid fraud.

When an exchange deliberately makes it cumbersome and difficult to achieve full KYC verification, then that in itself is suspicious and can lead one to think they do that to limit access to user assets (bitcoins or whatever coins are traded on that site). It usually indicates an intention to delay access to those assets so they (the exchange) can use them in their favour. By using those assets in their favour I mean manipulate or expose those assets in the market for profit.

I am always suspicious of any kind of service that delays access to an account or product with the help of ridiculous excuses. KYC should be a simple procedure. It shouldn't take days or weeks.

He doesn't have the bitcoins (signing challenge ignored). I suspect he was hoping someone (and of course 174 did, if true) would contact him and make offers. This gives him the opportunity to weed out those who appear too smart to be scammed while zeroing in on those who are too naive and slightly disabled "up there" to send money first.

This is what uniquely sets us humans apart from the rest of the animal world. The ability to be cunning and calculating, to take what's not ours in a complex web of lies and deceit, to weave stories and fairy tales about 1007.3 bitcoins. And then of course you see all the comments and response above from those who envy him or resent his claims of nauseatingly enormous wealth one can only dream of.

They are FinCEN licensed and they know they are untouchable. They have the US Department of the Treasury's blessings to operate with impunity and as they wish. It's like injecting your own money into their system and then later begging and pleading for a chance to access those very same funds YOU own.

For one, they have a poor record of customer support. A company that makes it extremely difficult to reach their support staff, that forces you to open a facebook or twitter account just so you can attempt to contact them about any account issues, is a company with zero ethics. Real companies (such as decent banks) have functional phone numbers and people to discuss and resolve account-related problems or even critical and pressing issues such as withdrawal problems or account blockage or stuck transactions.

They may be established for years and have a solid standing in the exchange business but that doesn't mean they offer the best user experience. They have endless reviews and complaints on the world wide web about their miserable support system.

And they have a solid legal team for sure. If you take them to court, they will bide their time and read you every fine print on their books.

You may be a newbie but your account is 4 years old and you have a nice green trust rating there. Why did you allow him to talk you into paying first? This is why scammers continue to operate with impunity. For one, they know they can open accounts every 2 days and misuse it without fear of being sanctioned. Sanctioning them (tagging them) has little to no deterrent effect because they can open countless accounts here and use them to steal brazenly.

And the conversation flow on those chat screen shots... there is such an arrogance and control in the way he leads the conversation. I would have called him out and stomped on his boundless ego. Why did you allow him to talk to you that way? Pay for $250... minutes later, no $250 so pay more. Sorry, no refunds (even though I told you I do have $250).

Escrow always. If these scammers say no, decline to proceed and report them. Waste their time.

Escrow is the best solution. Always use a trusted middle man when making deals on this forum (and anywhere else on the world wide web). This is a dog eat dog world. Scammers are everywhere. They want bitcoins and they will do, say, type anything on their keyboard to steal coins.

Fact is you didn't use escrow and you paid with bitcoins which as we all know is impossible to reverse. You can say good bye to those coins. They are in Vietnam now, feeding this criminal and his extended family.

The lender's section makes for good bedtime reading. It's like my go-to bedtime storybook. Lots of interesting offers from nobodys and scammers and wanna-be fraudsters attempting to filch a few satoshis from lenders here.

The chuckle I get from these newbies pleading for loans while offering IDs, passports, signboards with vague promises to repay, IOU contracts (worth the paper they are written on) etc. Priceless.

Looking forward to the next episodes.

Difficult because of the many scammers in the west part of Continental Africa. Most of the countries are flagged by Visa and MasterCard and global financial entities for a higher fraud risk. In other words, for being a hub of cheaters and fraudsters. True, there are dishonest people everywhere on this planet but there seems to be a higher incidence of congregation of such conmen in Africa and India.

I'm in Asia and in Thailand they regularly arrest Nigerians (most recent one was last week) for email and romance frauds (and this "black money" scams). It's a pernicious scam they operate. As a result, sending money to any country in Africa attracts additional questions and tighter scrutiny of the purpose of the transfer. It's not that the bank staff discriminate against those countries. No, it's not that. The flags are built-in on their banking software and the SWIFT system. Same happens with Western Union and MoneyGram.

If I had a company offering bitcoin debit cards, I would just as vigilantly avoid offering cards to such countries. Scammers from such countries take money from vulnerable people on this planet and deceive them in the worst possible ways. Deception is something they seem to have a PhD in.

I lived in South Africa for 3 years where I did my commercial pilot training. I was cheated of 110K Rands when I mistakenly relaxed my vigilance while buying a second hand car in Port Elizabeth. The speed it took them to encash the cheque while one of their "partners" kept me busy with some technical stuff about the car was impressive. Nicely premeditated. While doing the paperwork, they drove off with the car. I still resent and regret the experience very much so the above is what I stand for. Bitcoin debit cards should be offered to those who are very strictly KYC'd to weed out criminals who use these cards to put food in their bellies.

I have a Mistertango account and I am very satisfied with it. Yes, there are fees and yes there are deductions after trading bitcoins on their internal exchange but one should not forget that they have staff salaries to pay... IT, utility bills, cost of leasing their company offices in Vilnius, and many other costs.

They offer one of the last few options on this planet for an IBAN account which allows BTC deposits. And a free MasterCard on top of that!

It's almost like they are donating their products and services so stop complaining.