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1601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 15, 2018, 02:18:23 AM

 Wink


(perhaps why I am such a latecomer to the wall observer despite being on the forum so long, but hey this is where the action is)


Same. The forum was excellent for the first few years, but now this is one of the only decent threads in this cesspool.

Edit: Your 2010 join date is impressive. I feel like a Johnny-come-lately now.
1602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 11:16:25 PM
You see, satoshi saw the future and it was ... tokens


FTFY
1603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 11:08:00 PM
@infofront what is the meaning of existence?
To work off karmic debt

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@infofront how do i get a woman?
Lift weights and be alpha

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@infofront is the mayor your bot-boy?
I'm flattered, but he's more witty than me.

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@infofront sir when moon lambo syscoin?
Never

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@infofront have you ever seen the rain?
Yes. We're witnessing the bitcoin rainy season currently.

I don't know why anyone asks me for predictions either.

@infofront How do you think alts would react to ETF approval? Won't bitcoin's dominance increase further, if it happens?

Yes, money would pour out of alts into BTC.
Of course, if our mass psyche isn't ready for another mania yet, it could be a buy the rumor, sell the news event, or a more subdued bull run, as Ivan called for.
But I'm a dreamer  Kiss
1604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

Bingo. An ETF for retail investors would be summarily shot down. This ETF is for the wealthy. The SEC will not squander an opportunity to help the rich get richer.

It's the first step toward getting a retail ETF for the plebs approved. The wealthy elites need to be able to get in at the ground floor though, since that's where most of the money will be made. I'd expect the first pleb ETF to be approved when Bitcoin is at $50K+.

info - If the SEC approve an ETF tor the wealthy what effect do you think this would have on the price?

Give me numbers brother!

Maybe something like this:


If ETF is approved in late Aug, that couldl trigger a bull run that could take us to the top of the channel by the end of the year. I'll say $50K, conservatively. $60K+ if things get really crazy and manic.

Taking a look at another logarithmic chart by a reputable analyst, masterluc, if we bounce to the top of his middle channel by the end of the year, that would be  ~$60K.



1605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
So guys, after reading a bit aroud this incoming ETF thing, I didn't decided yet whether this event will pump or dump the price!

Plus it is not clear whether this time the application will be finally approved!

What do you think?

None of the previous attempts were successful so why would this one be any different?

I don’t forsee it gaining approval, no.
I do hope I’m wrong though because if it was approved I think the price would pump significantly.

It has a chance of approval because it is positioned as 'NOT for plebs' ETF and we all know that SEC only cares about that crowd.
Even with $6000 btc, each share in this ETF will cost $150,000.

Bingo. An ETF for retail investors would be summarily shot down. This ETF is for the wealthy. The SEC will not squander an opportunity to help the rich get richer.

It's the first step toward getting a retail ETF for the plebs approved. The wealthy elites need to be able to get in at the ground floor though, since that's where most of the money will be made. I'd expect the first pleb ETF to be approved when Bitcoin is at $50K+.
1606  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: July 14, 2018, 05:14:30 PM
There's a discussion about Anonymint's ban in the Meta subforum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.160
It's probably best to keep that discussion there.

In LN news: 49% of the Bitcoin BTC Lightning Network is occupied by one node
1607  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 14, 2018, 02:21:11 AM
Here's a short-list of posters that frighten me:

PoolMiner
HairyMaclairy
LastOfTheV8's
Bob
Nanobtc
MajorMax
Anon136
Theymos is (still) sort of iffy


Updated. This list is subject to change without notice.

What's so frightening about them may I ask?


Nothing

Just be wary of members who know hardly anything about why the bitcoin blockchain is essential in the currency war against the centrally controlled banks


Right. Us experts know that the Bitcoin blockchain is essential because it's the only way to buy most of the crank on alphabay.
1608  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 10:39:06 PM

What should I buy, the trezor https://amzn.to/2NdhnKE or save some money and get this keypay wallet https://amzn.to/2ulIMmQ ?


trezor.

 I second that. I have a Keepkey. It's a POS device, made by a POS company, which is run by POS Bitcoin saboteur Erik Voorhees.
1609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 07:35:52 PM

I put him on ignore because he quoted and responded to our resident troll too much.

Just to be clear, he's normally quite negative toward that troll.

Quote from: anunymint
@realr0ach is at the bottom of the pool wearing silver boots. He sold BTC at $600 to buy silver at $20, lol. What an asshat.
1610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
Guys, yo' game, step it up yo



Can we please get some "representatives" who aren't ignorant pieces of shit?



("...says the guy with the Donald Trump avatar." I beat you lefties to it.)
1611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 06:55:30 PM
Continue sending comments to the SEC as earlier mentioned in the following ways:

Please note that the file number for the BTC ETFs on the SEC website is SR-CboeBZX-2018-040.

    Online form
    Comments can be submitted via this link
    Look for SR-CboeBZX-2018-040
    There should be a Submit comments section

    Email
    Send comments to rule-comments@sec.gov.
    The subject line of your message must include the File Number for the rule. This is the number that begins “S7-” or “SR-”.
    If you attach a document, indicate the format or software used (e.g., PDF, Word Perfect, MS Word, ASCII text, etc.) to create the attachment. Please note that the SEC now accepts comment letters in PDF format. DO NOT submit attachments as HTML, GIF, TIFF, PIF, ZIP, or EXE

   Using the traditional ‘Snail Mail’

    Send 3 copies of your paper comment letter to:

    Brent Fields, Secretary
    Securities and Exchange Commission
    100 F Street, NE
    Washington, DC 20549-0609

    Each copy must list the “File Number” for the rule. This is the number that begins “S7-” or “SR-”.
1612  Other / Meta / Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'? on: July 13, 2018, 06:48:55 PM
It's time to unban him.
1613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 06:19:39 PM
Fuck it. Let's all just dump into convertibles and personal watercraft. I'm sure we'd be happier for it. Giddy like school boys. Cheesy


Sure, pull a bit of profits, here and there.  We want to have some fun.

There were several guys posting about all the toys that they bought in bitcoin when the price rose to $700, and they were posting similar things when the price rose to $2k.. but surely some short-lived gratification, since they could have bought 10-20 of those same things with the same amount of bitcoin or even at today's prices 3-8 of those same things.... gratification versus deferred gratification with an appreciating asset such as bitcoin.

For anyone who has been into bitcoin for 2 or more years, because our investment into bitcoin has done so well, it is quite likely that we could still buy some pretty nice shit, and only pull out relatively small amounts along the way.... and even if we kind of over extended, and we need a bit of cash flow, we can still pull out small portions at these $6k prices and still be decently profitable by balancing our pull outs.

Some of the guys (and gal) who are putting so much emphasis on their consumer good purchases, seem to either be really short sighted in valuing their wealth in fiat or they are purposefully trolling the folks participating in/reading this thread.

I wouldn’t believe half of the crap some people say on here Jay.

People with a load of money don’t tend to brag about it, they’d rather be discrete. Nobody of any real means wants others to know their personal wealth.

I’m pretty confident of that btw.


Don't overestimate a stupid person with a lot of money.  Wink
1614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 03:04:17 PM
And there we go; breaking yesterday's mempool high.

Did my comment the other day start all this mempool talk I have been seeing lately? I don't remember anyone replying to it so I thought it had no impact but I also don't remember people talking about the mempool so much before it so maybe it had more impact than I thought.



Holy wow. When they ban someone for life they REALLY ban them. Every thing he ever posted and even posts that were a reply to him; vanished.



Yeah, that's at least the 4th time he's been banned.
Even if you don't care for him or his ideas, it's hard to argue that he's not a net benefit to this forum.
1615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 02:35:29 PM
Lightning[booty] is growing fast Wink

FTFY.

1616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 13, 2018, 01:43:59 AM
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I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend the value of Bitcoin, to ride out the storm of FUD, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their blockchain, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous Altcoins have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Banksters and all the odious apparatus of Socialist rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on bitfinex, we shall fight on gemini and bitstamp, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our blockchain, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the forums, we shall fight on twitter, we shall fight in /r/bitcoin and /r/btc, we shall fight on tradingview; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, tether blows up, and Bitcoin plunges to $3,000, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of Bitcoin.
1617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 12, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
WTF? This image was posted by Boblawblaw a scant 2 pages back.

I hear that, dude.

The quality of moderation in this thread has gone way down. And with it, the price if Bitcorn.

* BobLawblaw winks at infofront

infofront could make up for his sins by volunteering for this mission:



maybe Undecided

It would beneficial to us all if someone easier on the eyes volunteered.


I can sense the sexual tension between Bob & info

We just have to ignore it...for Rick.
1618  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: July 12, 2018, 02:45:36 PM

I'll go so far as to say LN is virtually useless as an end-user protocol. It provides the technological base for the payment processors of the future. Some have compared it to the TCP/IP protocol. The analogy is:
Internet -> Bitcoin
TCP/IP -> Lightning Network
World Wide Web -> Layer 3

Anyway, the next generation of payment processors will be built atop LN, will absorb all risk associated with LN, and will provide users a foolproof layer 3 solution. And possibly fractional reserve banking and derivatives.

But the "fractional reserve banking" system, and/or derivatives will be isolated only in the "next generation" payment processors' layer correct? But not on the Lightning Network?

I'm pretty sure that's right.
1619  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Discussion Thread on: July 12, 2018, 04:13:25 AM
If I mentioned any of that in the WO thread, I'd probably get labeled a bcash shill  Cheesy
1620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 12, 2018, 02:23:04 AM
However the inability of the left to champion the cause of the working class is really disappointing.  How did the right become the champion of the rural working classes. Something went badly wrong there.  

It's pretty simple really... since the 90's the Democrats were lobbied and co-opted by transnational corporations to outsource all the blue collar jobs overseas, then promote the domestic white collar work life as the only the lifestyle left in America for anyone, anywhere. It was all highbrow and condescending. They figured that this is what all Americans want and need -- it's obvious they want to model American work life after Japan. Disregarding the fact that 80% of Americans are not cut out for a desk job just to sit behind a computer all day. They really just want to work with their hands and actually get something accomplished every day. They want their work life to have meaning, purpose, and lasting legacy.

Just go to college, earn your degree, and you'll be just fine they said. Get a white collar career and earn a great salary they said. Get married, buy a nice house, put your kids through college they said. Retire wealthy, they said.

Yeah, well that's all fine and good while the American economy is going strong and consumerism is rampant (70% of GDP!).... until a financial crisis comes, and then they start outsourcing all the white collar jobs that are left in America as well. That is actually happening right now... in China, white collar jobs are booming for the exact same work that the former American desk jockeys used to do before they got downsized (translation: were too expensive to just go to meetings, do Powerpoints and push Excel spreadsheets around all day) and at a fraction of the cost.

First they gutted the lower middle class (blue collar jobs). Then they gutting the middle- middle class. Now they are gutting the upper middle class (white collar desk jobs). Soon in America there will be nothing left but a few wealthy elites at the top of all the multinational corporations (i.e., Amazon, Google, Apple, etc.), and everyone else working for them but getting paid peanuts (relative to local cost of living, insurance, long term debts, etc.) and barely scraping by.

The Democrats solution to this monster of a problem they created is apparently more govt debt, more corp debt, more handouts, more free services, and perhaps even Universal Basic Income. Socialized by more taxes on the middle class and the poor to pay for it all. It's preposterously stupid and naive to think that this will solve things in the short or long term. It's an attempt to bandaid over the problems instead of solving them. It's a snake eating its own tail.

This is a pretty serious problem and I am concerned about it.  

I am have some small involvement with a project that will put about 300 downtown white collar workers out of work by turning their day jobs into a series of automated workflows.  The components that can’t be done by computer will be done by workers in a low cost center in a regional city.  It won’t be offshored because the quality of the work product would be too low.  

From there it’s a race between developing world workers and the computers as to who will get their standards of quality high enough to subsequently replace the local workers.  But the computers are going to win.  You can see this with Foxconn dumping Chinese laborers for robots.

Automation is going to kill third world workers jobs even harder than it kills domestic jobs because, generally speaking, education standards are still lower on average in the developing world than in the West.  (Their best are as good as our best but that’s an aside).

The Democrats are right in that anyone without a decent education and the ability to be highly agile in their role is fucked.  I don’t know what the Republican solution is - locking up Hispanic children is a distraction.  Trade wars are a distraction, the 300 jobs that area going have nothing to do with China.  And that’s just one smallish  company.  The low cost Chinese workers can’t speak English so they are useless for white collar outsourcing.  

So everyone can whinge about the cost of education, but if your population isn’t educated, it’s not going to be competitive and it’s going to drag down your economy.

The third world won't be hit as hard or as quickly. Labor is ludicrously cheap in the third world.
My wife just mentioned that her nephew in the Philippines makes $10/week for stacking heavy sacks of rice 60 hours per week. There's no way you can get any kind of automation that cheap. In fact, when I visited the Philippines, I noticed the residential construction crews generally don't use power tools. It's cheaper to pay someone to saw all the wood by hand than to buy a circular saw.
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