I disagree. Chances of a nuclear disaster, particularly on the short/medium are slim to non existent if you look at it as an investor. It doesnt make sense to cut your profit in half year after year to reduce the chance of an accident from say, 0.01% per year to 0.001% per year. If you look at that from a society POV, that probably makes a ton of sense.


I disagree. If someone exposes cost cutting that results in hazards in a nuclear power plant, that may well cost the politician his job/electorate. The electorate is anal about nuclear safety. The same cant be said for the executive. If anything shareholders would like to reward such cost cutting measures, if it saved them enough money.

So if we assume a perfect democracy where politicians are elected by people and not money, and these politicians act upon their voters behalf, they do have a very strong incentive to ensure safety. Just listen to the green parties in Europe who get most of their votes from the anti nuclear power crowd.


Fair point, but important difference is that the soviet regime was not democratic and no one was ever held accountable. Not much free speech or open debate to highlight such problems either.

Neither of your examples have a public interest component (except maybe accessibility in rural area). Its quite different when you leave things like tap water or electricity production in nuclear power stations to an unregulated private market. There is an incentive to do it cheap (which is good) at the expense of things like safety or the environment. Im not saying you cant have private companies produce either, but not without regulation. And for some things trying to regulate a free market so its short term profit seeking is not harmful to society at large just isnt worth it.

So what happens if you start one ssh session without x forwarding to run the miner, and another with X forwarding for everything else? Assuming that works, try using 'screen' to detach the miner session  and you might even be able to reattach it in the ssh -X session. Alternatively just start cgminer from a startup script on the mining rig using screen and then reattach the session whenever you want.

I am actually. Kind of - I think. Socialist anarchist libertarian of the pagmatic variety . or something like that.
Put differently, I like noam chomsky's thinking a lot. I havent figured out where that fits on the traditional political spectrum, I tend to like elements from either US political extremes.


I guess Somalia or Ethiopia comes closest to it. If anyone has a better example, historical or current of a libertarian state, Im all ears.

As long as there is money to steal, it will happen frequently. Should we abolish wealth?
A libertarian government free utopia just means the power is transferred entirely to corporations. Id rather suffer from political corruption than end up at the mercy of the (0.0)1%. We tried that system in Europe some centuries ago and it didnt work all that well.

Also, if not the various branches of government, what is going to fight corruption? Some of you should think about that for a second. I actually dont think its coincidence that list with corruption features mostly big governments (with public campaign financing) at the top and nearly lawless "libertarian" states at the bottom.

This is quite true of course. I think the above posters problem is simply using instead of just ssh.

Still havent opened a math book and looked up divisions it seems.

At your stated electricity price of $0.25 (16 pence) per KwH, at your stated $2/BTC price, do the math and tell me how many MH/W you need to achieve break-even even with todays difficulty (which is lower than when you made that claim). Its not rocket science.  Hint: its over 3MH/W.

Your claim of earning 6x your electricity cost was hilariously false when you first made it, and your current claim is just as false today. No GPU based mining rig achieves 3MH/W. Definitely not your overvolted 69x0 cards.
Welcome to my ignore list.

IMO its far better take away most of the need for it; public financing. Its even more transparent and you pay per vote instead of paying for votes (empirically it also turns out you pay FAR less). Public campaign financing doesnt mean bribes can not happen, but it does mean politicians are not entirely dependent on corporate bribes, giving you far better odds of electing politicians who work for the people rather than for the lobbyists.

Yeah I get, I just dont agree - at all. I think we all agree that special interests paying for tailored legislation is a bad thing for society. So why would you not oppose it? Now I agree outlawing wont make it go away completely, but thats hardly a reason to support institutionalized bribery.

As for eliminating all those agencies; well, I have some sympathy for die hard libertarians, but I think you are very naive believing the world would be a better place with little to no laws.  Free markets are a great thing, but human nature has a focus on short term individual profits and not long term sustainable societies. Shrink the legal framework to next to nothing and you get more casino capitalism, not less. You get more uninsured drunk drivers, not less. You get more toxic plants polluting your drinking water, more airlines trying to saving a buck by saving on essential maintenance, not less. Free markets are ruling most of Africa, just go look how that works out. Ever flown on an african airline? You might get some appreciation for the FAA if you did.

Im probably missing something here; but I just log in to my mining rigs using ssh without X forwarding and I run cgminer or any other miner just fine. If I were to forward X, it would try to use the GPU of my local (non mining) machine, which AFAICS is not what youd ever want. Why would you run cgminer executable on the machine that doesnt have the mining GPUs? Perhaps its theoretically possible, but why?

Aaah, gotcha. But why on earth would you forward X for mining?

As I said, but I could be wrong, I thought Jews were allowed to collect interest but only from non Jews. The bible quote from fellowtrader could explain why:
You shall not lend upon usury to thy brother;
usury of money, usury of victuals,
usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
Unto a stranger you may lend upon usury;

Im only guessing Christians interpreted brother differently than Jews? Anyway, my point was that forbidding usury is not exactly a new idea. Its a very old one that almost everyone abolished, except in Islam.

? If you ssh in to the machine, that output is from the ubuntu rig, not your mac.
 
Just to make sure, can you ssh in to the ubuntu machine and run


and post the output?

Looks like everyone is overseeing this:
OpenGL renderer string: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M OpenGL Engine

Proofer, is that the card you want to mine on? Its not like aticonfig will help with that card. You will need the nvidia restricted drivers for a start.

If thats the IGP and you also have AMD gpu's in the that machine, then you may have a problem. Ive not gotten a mix of nv and amd cards to work on ubuntu yet with restricted drivers. See if you can disable the nvidia igp in the bios, then try reinstalling the amd drivers.

LOL, "Technicalities" as in  first grade math using numbers you supplied for electricity cost and hash rate?  But keep thinking your overvolted cards are somehow 10x more profitable than anyone else's despite you having twice the electricity cost.

Here is a hint: your electricity supplier probably uses moving averages, so you havent paid all your electricity cost yet. But do keep at it, you'll get rich.

For those curious, here is a quote:


As it turns out, your own stated BTC revenue didnt even cover half your stated electricity cost.  But Im the idiot that did learn math. Of course they never taught me your miracle solution :


I should put that in my sig. Its golden.

The chips are the same for 5870 and 5970. They might be binned differently, but every individual chip is  different in how it can clock at what voltage. Because of the binning, on average Id expect a 5970 to be able to run at slightly lower voltage for a given speed (assuming you can volt and clock each GPU independently on  a 5970?) , and therefore be a tad more efficient, but you can get un/lucky with either.

I got lucky; I  have a 5870 thats running at 1 GHz @1.05v. I dont have a kill-a-watt, but Im pretty sure thats very efficient. Stock is 825 MHz @ 1.085v.

Is it possible cgminer doesnt handle DHCP public IP address changes properly?

I am having this problem once in a while, like once or twice per week: on both my machines (one windows, one linux), on both configured pools (failover) cgminer stalls complaining it cant connect to the pool, too slow to respond, switches to the other pool, then it will sometimes connect briefly and fail again over and over. Hashrate is +-0 with only very short moments of normal speeds.

Internet connection is fine. Restarting the router does nothing. Restarting cgminer solves it on both machines.

Im puzzled. THe only thing I can think off that both machines have in common is the NAT  router and therefore my public IP. I dont know when or how often it changes (ill start logging it now) but could there be a correlation, something with long polling perhaps?

Anything else anyone can think off?

Its the same here in Belgium, and I assume(d) elsewhere too; you can still change your old notes and even coins. They are no longer legal tender though, so you can not pay with them.

FYI, Im using a 5870 @ 1 GHz and Im getting 457 MH using cgminer 2.0.8 on linuxcoin.

So what is that chart showing? Utilization or (power?) efficiency?
Either way, doesnt look like a huge improvement for bitcoin. But indeed, nice that they show it.


Lol? Weren't you mining at a few GH/s? SHA256 is the hash algorithm used by bitcoin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2