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1221  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:55:40 AM
That article doesn't make me feel uncomfortable. I called you a knucklehead because that's exactly how you act sometimes. You refused to say why this is relevant to today. You refused to acknowledge what others have said in response. You refused to concede an inch ever.
I didn't answer because I thought it obvious. It's relevant always so long as Bitstamp is a major exchange. Might interest people who deal with them (I do too for lack of better options).

I didn't concede an inch because I see nothing to concede. Seems to me it is illegal in the same way as gambling and securities running outside of the US to have an exchange running outside of the US that does not comply with US regulations yet serves US customers. So I agree to disagree.
1222  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:41:53 AM

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Not only are they subject to FinCEN civil monetary penalties, but knowing failure to register a money transmitting business with FinCEN—or fail to register with state authorities when required—can be a federal criminal offense."

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Mr. Cohen said the Treasury Department is working with other governments and multilateral institutions to seek to draft consistent rules for digital currencies around the world.
He said the international Financial Action Task Force, which sets standards for anti-money-laundering and counterterrorist financing practices, will later this year release a paper that will update common definitions for digital currencies and lay out potential benefits and vulnerabilities for the sector.

Game/set/match Mr. Seleme.  Grin
Where are they excluding non-US businesses from this regulation? It's the same thing as with the Bitcoin stock exchanges. As long as US customers are served, it is regulated by the US. But enough of this. None of us are lawyers I presume.

It is funny though how people here shout everything down that makes them feel uncomfortable. I also like how wind feels the need to insult me for it. Cheesy
1223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:30:30 AM
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303563304579447020246651110
1224  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:14:35 AM
Not true,

FINCEN already announced that they would go after the exchanges that haven´t registered about 2 weeks ago.
Google it.

They can go after any exchange that is based in USA or accept deposits and withdrawals on US soil.

Fonzie's having a hard time with this one. I guess he thinks Obama might issue a military invasion of Slovenia to take over Bitstamp.
Do you mind telling me why it is that non-US online gambling sites don't accept US customers?
1225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 01:02:38 AM
When exactly will FINCEN block US Customers from using Bitstamp or have they registered in the meanwhile?

Covert elements of the US government are behind bitcoin, hence why China and Russia hate it so much. US will never ban it.

I didn´t talk about a complete  USA ban, i talked about USA blocking transfers to Bitstamp due to the fact that they are not registered with FINCEN.
Bitpay wouldn´t work anymore...
Coinbase....

Hm, why would Slovenian company be registered with FINCEN?
Why would a Japanese company? It's illegal to deal with US citizens without following their regulations, no matter what country your business is in.
1226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 30, 2014, 12:25:09 AM
Huobi (!)

what the f is going on with the f-ing chinese? starting to get pissed with btc

Should we just start ignoring the Chinese exchanges like we did Gox?  Wink
Nope. You can withdraw BTC from Chinese exchanges. But feel free to ignore reality.
1227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 29, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
Bid to ask ratio is 1:3.54   Shocked

https://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/btc/usd/bitstamp/10-days


Could this be somebody showing off their muscles or is this for real?
Given that all the CNY is being withdrawn from Chinese markets, where do you think all the China coins are going to go?

Doesn't compute

If they chose to get out of china why would they be selling? They can do that on chinese market til 15.4. (allegedly)
Disproportionate amount of CNY withdrawn => lower price vs. non-chinese market => transfering coins to sell elsewhere for arbitrage.
1228  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 29, 2014, 11:22:37 PM
Bid to ask ratio is 1:3.54   Shocked

https://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/btc/usd/bitstamp/10-days


Could this be somebody showing off their muscles or is this for real?
Given that all the CNY is being withdrawn from Chinese markets, where do you think all the China coins are going to go?
1229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 29, 2014, 10:29:42 PM
Rather: the reason price is still up is because those who hold thousands of coins need other people to invest so that the price will go up. So they pay for ads and positive reviews, to keep spreading lies and hiding the uncomfortable facts.   Tongue

If I were a paid troll, I would deny it, no? Silly question...

Tell me where I have "spread fear" without backing it up with argument.

Meanwhile I can tell you right away one of the lies that marketeers keep spreading: that "bitcoins will be extremely valuable because there can be only 21 million of them".  The truth is that there can be an infinte number of cryptocoins, any brand of them is just as good for commerce as any other, and there is no reason to believe that bitcoin will be among the ones that will succeed if they do succeed.

I agree with you, and it is disgusting. The Bitcoin cultists of course will accuse anyone who does not share their opinion but is vocal about it to be some evil external paid shill.

And oh look, at least one false accusation debunked: https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/450033671022444544
1230  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: March 24, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
Right, TA is better than FA because bitcoin is a stock. Or a commodity. Or a stock. Or a commodity. Not a technology. Got it.

BTC is a currency. Bitcoin is a technology.

Charts show you what is going on regardless of what you trade, currency/commodity/stock/etc makes no difference.

What was your point again (if you have one)?

My point is obvious. Stocks and commodities do not grow exponentially.
So you think Bitcoin is the only thing in the world where you can draw straight lines on a log chart?
1231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 21, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
So.. its basically official that M.K. is just a complete and utter retard right?
Yes. Better he pay them out quickly before he "loses" them again.
1232  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 20, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
Best course is for them to pay out those 20-25% ASAP so people can finally get away from getting goxxed, hopefully forever.

And we still don't know what ACTUALLY happened. Also, 42% fiat reportedly missing.
1233  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
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What does it matter? They serve US customers without following the regulations, and the US has global power.

Haha, sure about that ? I really hope it's a joke. If not we're screeeeew Smiley

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/alabama
Yes, I am certain that at least Bitstamp does business with people in the US. It would probably be wise to decline US customers in the future until they register with FinCEN, but I expect nothing out of Bitcoin exchanges.
1234  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303563304579447020246651110

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The Treasury Department will come after the many digital currency exchanges and administrators that haven't registered with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the Department's top official for terrorism and financial intelligence said Tuesday.
Goodbye, Bitstamp and BTC-E.

AFAIK Bitstamp and BTC-E neither operate nor have any bank account in US
What does it matter? They serve US customers without following the regulations, and the US has global power.
1235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2014, 02:52:12 PM
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303563304579447020246651110

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The Treasury Department will come after the many digital currency exchanges and administrators that haven't registered with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the Department's top official for terrorism and financial intelligence said Tuesday.
Goodbye, Bitstamp and BTC-E.
1236  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
1237  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
You're right about the rate of change being lower.

Y'all are so habituated to logarithmic modelling that you can't even see an increase in the rate of change.  You can only see a decline in the rate of growth.

Ah, that's probably my more fundamental mistake.  I said "expansion" which to you implies a rate of growth, and not unreasonably so.


Okay, now I get what you mean. Sorry about that misunderstanding, I was looking at the growth rate of 2011 vs. 2013/2014. I actually think it's good evidence against a 2011 bear market case that there is no decrease of unique addresses even 3-4 months after the top. Thanks for pointing it out to me, I didn't look at that before.
1238  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2014, 05:53:19 PM
It took 1.5 years from June 2011. Why do you think it couldn't take as long, or even longer than that now?

Because the rate of network expansion is substantially higher.

Show evidence.

Why is everyone so lazy?  Sheesh.
https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

You were talking about the rate. You'd look at a logarithmic chart for that, and oh look, you are wrong based on your own metric. The rate of growth is historically decreasing.

Typical argument here: This time is different, because this time, I am aboard. Literally and figuratively. Shocked
1239  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2014, 05:25:58 PM
It took 1.5 years from June 2011. Why do you think it couldn't take as long, or even longer than that now?

Because the rate of network expansion is substantially higher.

Show evidence.
1240  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 10, 2014, 04:05:33 PM

"Statism doesn't work for very large countries".

No. Simply the bigger the state, the worse the detriment. Possibly even non-linear.
US seems to be faring pretty damn well with its 300 million. Germany too.
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