Not sure who or why, but somebody just bought up ~430BTC worth of SDICE on havelock. (1901 shares)
Somethings up?
I find that Havelock is now moraly obliged to make public who made this trade. This stinks! You forget that most people here find insider trading a good thing and they will congratulate him.
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What if the buyer is an established casino firm that wanted to get into the Bitcoin game? If that's the case, then they would've been accumulating beforehand and have been responsible for some of the buying pressure. This would now be gone, along with 350k coins released on the market.
I smell blood.
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Why would they be exchanged for dollars? Isn't it far more likely they'll find their way into other BTC denominated assets??
Not all of them need to to depress the price. Even a small fraction would be sufficient. It's summer in the hemisphere that most people inhabit, and I'm sure some people would like a good vacation on a yacht.
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Either early miners like Satoshi or knightmb or a conglomerate of people like the Winklevoss, or a company like MtGox/Tibanne.
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Goodbye, triple digits. Also, If I trust what I read, it's actually 350k BTC: SatoshiDice has arranged to pay MPEX holders an additional .00223685 BTC per share bringing the total to 0.0035 BTC per share.
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Having money at MtGox I'm as worried as much as the last time this came up, not at all.
Finally, someone with some sense. It seems like this has become the "MtGox Speculation" forum lately. So many chickens without heads running around. Indeed. I'm not worried about Gox going belly up. But I am concerned about the perception of prospective depositors. Coming from the online poker realm... the market nosedived when ewallets were cut out, wires became almost non-existent, WU/MG unavailable or with high fees and very low transfer allowances, and companies started taking 8+ weeks to send checks that would bounce on you. Sites couldn't pay out in reasonable time frames with reasonable fees, and new blood became no more. Nothing ever recovers; the US market just perpetually shrinks and the larger networks more exposed to payment processing problems continually lose market share. My experience is that depositors want to go where liquidity is, and are inherently distrustful of companies with small market share. Often the big sites are viewed as the only options. The other thing that I learned from that experience, and from the last time this happened -- if Gox can't pay out its customers due to payment processing issues, $1 Gox < $1... propping up BTC. And that's why this whole thing is very bearish on a timescale of weeks/months. You erode the trust in the market leader, you will have eroded trust in the whole sphere.
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I really don't mind if the majority of my money can't be withdrawn to a bank any time soon, it's there for longterm investment/trading anyway. But a company that in all likelyhood lies to customers in order to manage perceptions, that doesn't sit right with me..
Agreed on both accounts. They need to tell the truth now. There's not a single case of successful withdrawal known to the public, and it's been almost two weeks now since they announced they'd begin handling their backlog. If there is some sort of blockade like Wikileaks had, then we ought to know.
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The strong hands are accumulating, the longer we're at this point, the more likely it is we are to rise.
This is similar to what it was like at around 120, before it began rising to a high of 136.
Did you settle your debt?
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Having money at MtGox I'm as worried as much as the last time this came up, not at all. The only annoying thing is that we're going to have to wait for SOME sort of withdrawal method to work for an impulsive downward move to occur. We're basically trapped in limbo where we can't go meaningfully up or down, and this applies to all exchanges. BTW, do you know if Bitstamp worked with LR at some point? It seems that Citibank is using that excuse to bounce Gox's wires.
No clue. That's interesting to hear, can you point me to such reports? Are there any other such banks that we know of that block all MtGox transfers?
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What's going on with volume? Seems like only about 30 BTC has changed hands in the last 30 minutes.
BTC8.83 in the last 25 minutes to be exact. That explains how "the traditional banking system is unable to keep up with the demands of a growing Bitcoin economy", poor Gox whose load is crashing the Mizuho bank, which has a yearly revenue of +1 billion Can't believe how bearish this is. No big money is going to flow in under these conditions, so impulsive upward moves are pretty much guaranteed to not occur. I do wonder whether all major banks have started to treat MtGox like Wikileaks, and whether that could extend to other exchanges as well. I'm sure they will find some way for people to withdraw eventually, though, but I have no idea how long it can take.
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▲ mtgoxUSD 98.5500 ▲ bitstampUSD 91.7600 ▲ btceUSD 88.2050
MtGox decoupling further.
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I'm actually becoming more bearish now in the longer term because such a dysfunctional market (where you can't withdraw for over a month!) is certain to repel any large money from flowing into MtGox. And what the market leader does also manifests in people's confidence in the others.
And when MtGox finally opens the valves again, the damage (confidence erosure) is already done.
This bear market has only begun.
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MtGox price is decoupling from Bitstamp and BTC-e again. There seems to be concern because there hasn't been a single person sighted who has actually successfully withdrawn money from MtGox since they announced the end of the hiatus. If this is true, then money hasn't been allowed to flee MtGox for at least a month. I'd consider the MtGox price distorted, and I'm not sure how long Bitstamp and BTC-e are going to follow it that much, so the price gap will probably widen more.
Personally, I doubt MtGox is broke, but clearly they are having major problems probably with their banks, and they aren't forthright about things and keeping silent.
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Bids are very juicy, and for most people it's summer. Time for a nice, long vacation, perhaps on a yacht.
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Why on earth is there no option beyond deludedly fine-grained points in 2013 and "never"? My guess is 2014-2016.
Hint, it's on purpose. OP might as well put out a sign. No Bears allowed! Bubble mentality apparently still runs strong. "XXthetimeisnowXX" Nomen est omen. "It's now or never".
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Why on earth is there no option beyond deludedly fine-grained points in 2013 and "never"? My guess is 2014-2016.
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Declining profitability of mining presents a miner with three choices, stop mining OR continue to mine while selling most coins to pay for the marginal electricity consumed in mining OR mine at a loss and become a speculator. Any earlier coins the miner may have hoarded are clearly separate and changes in mining profitability have no effect on decisions to hold or sell those coins.
The overall effect of declining mining profitability is miming becomes much more like REAL METAL mining, today most mines operate on very narrow profit margins and sell ALL their metal immediately (or even as futures), they do not hoard and speculate in it because its too risky vs their narrow margin. This is in fact a good thing because these narrow margin miners create a very very stable supply of new coins entering, every day your getting 144 blocks worth of coins being sold and the exchange rate will fluctuate only because of demand side changes. That's the behavior we saw during the low volatility year of 2012.
The combination of ASICs, the block reward reduction to 25 (which immediately cuts in half the flow of new coins and artificially doubles the exchange rate) and a media fueled bubble have destabilized all this and we won't know a stable price until all those factors have faded away.
Doing some quick calculations on when an 1st Generation ASIC (~100 Mhash/J) becomes unprofitable to run (aka marginal costs only, ignore all hardware). Assuming a decline to $30 for BTC and electricity at 0.15 per kWh difficulty would need to reach 440 million, roughly 17 times what it is now or 4 doublings, at present it seems to be doubling every 2 months so I'm predicting 6-8 months for first generation ASICs to be scrap metal.
Excellent fundamental analysis, I tried to formulate the same thoughts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188829.msg1957530#msg1957530I think it's key to comprehending this bear market.
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i'm buy this dip That's a big profit for 180$ sale Why, reptilian investment strategy has us placing asks at 300k USD to be triggered by Christmas 2013 at the latest.
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Bids are very tasty. I wonder who that might attract.
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$99 = expensive $101 = cheap Let that sink in for a moment.
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