With this amount of info, plus all Baron's contradictions, weird excuses (being mute!?) and lack of willingness to identify himself even to MtGox, I think this case could be "closed", since it would be "proved beyond reasonable doubt" that Baron is a scammer. MtGox could use the frozen money in order to pay for the losses he and his customers suffered.
Yes, time to end this fiasco once and for all. It's already the 2nd longest thread on this forum. |
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PS: And every atom in our bodies has previously been part of a star (probably multiple stars).
Every atom on the planet. Everything you see... stardust. How cool is that? Ya know, those atoms were once dinosaurs, or even our ancestors. |
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I think you're wrong, and going way over the top on this one. It took him a while to give an initial response, which is understandable. Barron knows right away when he can't get at the funds and gets on the forum ASAP to bitch about it.
This is actually a private matter between barron and mtgox, which barron brought into public to put pressure on mtgox to release the funds.
Whats mtgox suppossed to say, a lot of what has happened is not meant to be public, at least not initially. He can't go blabbing out everying at the drop of a hat. He said what he could. His actions are reasonable (freezing funds, not taking them).
And now, as details are being made available it's becoming clear that barron is a scammer (even in your own words).
What mtgox did, and the way he did it is a good thing. It's none of your business what are his dealings with his other clients.
It is also becoming clear that barron is doing everything he can to continue to put presure on mtgox to release the funds, and at the same time discredit him.
AND YOU ARE HELPING HIM.
That may be so, but we know zips about what's really happening. Combined with no clear term of service, no dispute resolution process, people are worried about MtGox's intention. They also don't know what MtGox will do next. |
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But he FAILED. I have , and I showed to everyone.
It's only evidence that you know a transaction that goes to mtgox. |
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Did you delete the weekly report? I can't see anything in your first link..
Fixed. |
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Just because he doesn't answer every question and every beckoned call, doesn't mean he acts like a scammer or is "hiding" anything. What else do you want him to say? He's given you all the info he knows about Baron and the transactions up to date.
Shadow, did you ever think that it's none of your damn business, anyway? Would you expect any other financial institution to inform you on the matters of another person's account? We're lucky he's even keeping us posted how he is and not only speaking with Baron privately. Did you ever think that Mt. Gox has a life/business/family to soak up his time instead of sitting on the bitcoin forum answering all of your questions?
Some people.... It's been a fucking week. He's told you all he knows about Barons transactions, and is trying to reach Baron further. He reiterated this morning what he knows and what he's trying to do. Give it some time. Go outside.
People are dying for transparency. |
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It will help you kiba https://www.libertyreserve.com/en/services/infoFill the form with Baron's account U1172929 and turing number. I'm not a mtgox.com user. I'm not a boiling frog. Paypal blocked his account, shadow business practices, fees, limits, hacking, user account locking, etc. What's next? Time to the Bitcoin community to code a decentralized exchanger service. Already done that. It still doesn't prove anything. |
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Here is my impression of the accusation by the two parties:
MtGox: Baron stolen 9000 BTC plus some [unspecified] LRUSD.
Baron: MtGox frozen 45000 LRUSD in Baron's account.
Will the two parties confirm if the accusation is accurate? Can MtGox clarify how many LRUSD is stolen?
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mtgox & baron: Why don't you guys just discuss in the open so everybody can see it ?
Perhaps make new topic for it or something.
With the scant evidence we have, we have very little that is proven. Baron claimed to have deposited LRUSD on 01/07/11. So far he provide some evidence by knowing a transaction. But I have no idea if it shown up on mtgox's account database. We also know that 9000 bitcoin were transfered to Baron. Baron admitted that. However, we lack knowledge of who his accuser is, what evidence that mtgox have, and so on. Also remember that the theft took place on mtgox's site. So we only have the exchanger's words for the most part. Anything he post will need to be taken with a grain of salt. Based on past history though, mtgox is not a liar. Baron's words are mostly just that, words. We are able to know a few things, but not prove much of anything. It doesn't help that he forget important key details. It doesn't help that he's supposedly a mute, which is not proven. |
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Can mtgox confirm that a LR transfer that took place on 01/07/11? If possible, can you tell us if it is deposited in Baron's account?
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Yea, I get it. But IRL there is a lag. And that Lag causes problems. There will be a certain number of things sold at one value before people get around to repricing the products, their will be an affect.
Just like the minimum wage joke: They raise the wage, so product price will raise overtime to eat the increased cost, and then everyone is back to the same position. The time between those two positions there is an affect on the economy.
Tell everybody they will make 50 bucks and hour; they love you. But then the cost of products go up to counter the inflated wages.
The losers are people with contracts that don't cover changes in CPI (Consumer Price Increases). Like mortgage and car loans. It will help the consumer but kill the business. All the Big Boy contracts put in the CPI clause. The "little guy" mortgage and car loans are covered in surprising ways. A little secret. Yea, the amount you pay on your loan will stay the same, but I bet you a 100 BitCoins that the insurance on those loans go up. Guess what, You are forced to carry insurance on Cars, and Houses until you own them. The Big Boys are good at hiding the details.
Have you see a loan market in bitcoin? Not really. Well, I was one of the first to be loaned with bitcoin once to go shorting. I shorted once, then I try to short again..but I gave up and paid all my debt(with a positive inflation rate!) Anyway, if the loan market is really small or non-existent, than loans aren't really a problem in the bitcoin economy. |
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Sounds like a justification for slavery.
What is slavery? |
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To summarize the evidence thus far:
1. 9000 BTC was somehow transferred to Baron. I believe that Baron said it was proof.
2. Baron entered and I verified a transaction on 01/07/11. All that proves is that Baron knows that particular transaction.
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Because mtgox.com blame me that I steal 9000 BTC. But I don't , so I holing those BTC, until everything is resolved.
I can make screenshot. But there is no point. Because all my bitcoin was tracked by other members, in others post early, and approved as proof.
Ok. If you accept that as evidence, I will also accept it as evidence that 9000 BTC was transferred to you. |
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I have ~ 14000 BTC in my bitcoin client it, If I were a thief (or hacker like mtgox.com saying) I exchage those BTC to real money, and run away. But I don't doing this.
There is no proof that you have 14,000 BTC in your bitcoin client. I also do not know why this is relevant to this case. |
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When mtgox.com will let me to login to my account, to take screenshot, I will show you.
You said that it is not possible to login in mtgox account. I do not know if that is true. Also I am not trying to withdraw my BTC from my bitcoin client and run away, until everything is not resolved.
What does this mean? |
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"But we have no proof that transaction was your, only that you know it. " come on, How I can now that? I can't login to my mtgox.com account , so I can't show you.
I prefer not to stretch the evidence to show something that it couldn't prove. We do not know how you acquire that information or what is really in your mtgox account. |
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Why do you have to play Batman?
Just enjoy the show.
I desire to know what the fuck is going on. |
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