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3941  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitDNS and Generalizing Bitcoin on: January 07, 2011, 06:02:40 PM

If the concept is flawed, there will be no execution of the idea.  That is what I'm suggesting.

The concepts have nothing to do with the execution. The execution will make reality a a flawed concept, but we can alway fix the code.

But if there is no code to fix, there is nothing to work with.

Write crappy code that demonstrate said concept. Fix said concept if it doesn't work the way people like. Then fix said code. Repeat this process.

Then write correct and clean code. Make it fast. Then, make the interface good.
3942  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitDNS and Generalizing Bitcoin on: January 07, 2011, 04:27:43 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong in my interpretation, but that is the real issue at hand right now. 


Wrong. The real problem is that there are no execution to work with. Concepts and ideas doesn't matter if we have nothing to work with.
3943  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Central going open source ! Open your own trading site for free ! on: January 07, 2011, 03:00:48 AM
It's just GPL without the web service loophole.

The GPL is my definition of what's "harsh".
3944  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitDNS and Generalizing Bitcoin on: January 06, 2011, 11:10:33 PM

The problem with 'domain name coin' is that it doesn't make economic sense. There should be no 'restriction of supply' of domain names. The cost of a domain name should be directly related to the network cost in supporting that domain.  Transaction fees make much more economic scene than a new 'domain coin' as the network compensation mechanism.

We're going around in circles. All this arguments had been exhausted and now we're just repeating them ad nauseum.

Still, the correct protocol that been derived by argumentation is meaningless without an execution to work with.
3945  Other / Off-topic / Re: cyberpunkers.net wat do? on: January 06, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
Convert it to a cypherpunk webcomic label?
3946  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread on: January 06, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/73 0.10

More coloring.

I think it's quite clear that I lack the artistic skills to produce a high quality work in no time at all.
3947  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitDNS and Generalizing Bitcoin on: January 06, 2011, 05:13:34 PM

What we have here are dedicated coders/hackers that are racing ahead of theorists. The theory must be bulletproof before any proposals are launched.
I think we need mathematical theorists to begin the process and then hand off to coders the basic structure while pointing out weaknesses.


Satoshi proposed a brilliant solution to the chain problem long ago in the thread.(As well as appamatto but Satoshi's solution is much simpler) We don't need to worry about integrating those information in the bitcoin chain since we can use the same miners to generate 50 BTC and domain name coin.

Only execution will give us something to work with. Theorists are just that, theorists. If the ideas don't get implemented, the idea of BitDNS is simply worthless.
3948  Other / Archival / Re: I will buy Bitcoins via Paypal ($10.00 USD for Current Mt. Gox BTC Rate) on: January 06, 2011, 12:46:02 AM
My dad, as much as I beg him, almost never lets me take a single penny out of my bank; he most definitely would NEVER let me do a transaction, especially a wire with it with some unknown person online! My dad (the techie of my parents) also will not let me link my bank account to my PayPal, so I rely solely on him putting money in my PayPal for me, as well as deposits from transactions for various "self-employed" jobs I do.

With bitcoin, teenagers can achieve independence from their own parents, and parents do not have to worry about credit card debt!
3949  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Operation Project Wonderful (225 BTC PAID) on: January 06, 2011, 12:17:19 AM
Currently WTFing over the fact that the refund is transfered into my credit card as credit making my credit card debt negative 32.77 USD.
3950  Economy / Economics / Re: How Does Saving Bitcoin Lead to Capital Formation? on: January 05, 2011, 09:03:46 AM

Capital is made of means of production :  companies, tools, knowledge, machines,...

Bitcoin doesn't make capital, just as it doesn't make orange juice.  It only permits you to buy it.


Yes, I am quite aware of that.

I was merely wondering how could saving/hoarding bitcoin lead to higher capital accumulation of production factors.

I am guessing that it somehow tells the market the time preference of human beings, thus determine how much resource are available in the future for spending.

The explanation posited by the other forum goers seem to fit...but the answer seem to be bit unsatisfactory.
3951  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Operation Project Wonderful (225 BTC PAID) on: January 05, 2011, 08:53:10 AM
I made a request for the withdrawal of 32.77(1 dollars subtracted for withdrawal fee) USD from the advertising account at projectwonderful. These funds will be converted back into bitcoin.

Remember, you can request your bitcoin back based on the percentage of contribution you made at the start of this campaign. Say, you contribute 5% of the total pledges. You will get back 5% of the remaining bitcoin.

OTHERWISE, the funds will be redirected to other bounty project of my choosing.

I will be PM each of you pledgees to see if I can get a response here on this topic.
3952  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Tahoe-lafs and Bitcoin Integration Bounty (210 BTC pledged) on: January 05, 2011, 08:44:04 AM
Will we have more pledgees?
3953  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (>4000Mhash/s, join us!) on: January 05, 2011, 08:34:19 AM
There seem to be no password recovery mechanism.

I seem to have set myself a password that I can't remember.
3954  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread on: January 05, 2011, 08:26:28 AM
Have the fans left me? 3 days in a row without downloads is quite unusual.
3955  Bitcoin / Project Development / Penetrating Asia on: January 05, 2011, 05:37:44 AM
The Asian nations of the world have resisted adoption of bitcoin far more readily than the continental US and Europe. Bitcoin is basically a Western civilzation's currency. We need to fix this problem!

What we have so far:

1. A Japanese yen exchange. Western expats living in both Japan and South Korea.

2. A Chinese user within mainland China.

3. Some translations

What we don't have:

1. Where are the South Korean won and Chinese yuan to bitcoin exchange market?

2. No significant Asian presence. (That exclude westerners of Asian descent like me)
3956  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Operation Project Wonderful (225 BTC PAID) on: January 05, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
I hope I'm alone with this constructive criticism, but if I didn't know what bitcoin was, my reaction to that banner would definitely be "just another HYIP scam", which of course is the wrong impression!  Perhaps a larger bounty is needed for a more professional looking banner, although I also think this effort could be a bit premature since there is still no easy way for newcomers to trade bitcoin.

I don't feel like doing the hassle of generating so many different kind of banners and testing them. For the pay, it was a lot of work.
3957  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: January 05, 2011, 12:37:31 AM
If you get it from bitcoin.org, properly secured, than it's ok?
3958  Economy / Economics / How Does Saving Bitcoin Lead to Capital Formation? on: January 05, 2011, 12:36:39 AM
There are confusion I have in my head.

I do not know how saving bitcoin lead to capital formation. I mean, if I save bitcoin, that signal my time preference. IE, I prefer to wait for something rather than have it now. Or I rather spend on some future good that required X amount of money that I don't have rather than something now.

With resources like timber, I know that if I saved X amount of them, I can build a complete room.(If the room is not completed, it would be expose me to the outside elements)

So, I know that saving bitcoin would be akin to somehow getting enough resources to accumulate so that I can build x and y. But bitcoin can't help you build stuff x and y.
3959  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread on: January 04, 2011, 11:05:39 PM
http://www.bitcoinservice.co.uk/files/72 0.10

More and more cleaning up! Also, I should finish this art piece soon so I can move on to other projects.
3960  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Operation Project Wonderful (225 BTC PAID) on: January 04, 2011, 08:20:25 PM
End of campaign report:

Expired 10 days ago...30 days campaign.

Expense: 23.83 USD. 41 % of our overall budget which is 57.60. Last day of activity was .45 cents.

Pageviews: 373,768 total.
Total clicks: 110
CPM: 0.06 USD
CPC: 0.22 USD
CTR: 0.03 %


All in all, an ineffective campaign. The money is better spent elsewhere.


I will return what left of the funds by pledge percentage rate to donors should they choose to do so within 30 days.
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