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101  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Republicans fracturing into 3 different factions on: January 27, 2021, 01:17:34 AM
Instead of Republicans, we'll soon have:

1. MAGA Party (QAnoners, Evangelicals, Trump's business partners)
2. Establishment GOP (McConnell, Graham, Inhofe)
3. Proud Boys Nationalist Party (plus Boogaloo Boys who don't shave or wear Hawaiian shirts)

Nah... look at the GOP senators trying to weasel out of Trump's impeachment trial. The outrage over the Capitol attack will fade, the base will push trumplings through primaries, and Proud Boys will still vote for GOP... I mean who else are they gonna vote for? Surely not Democrats. Third party candidates won't be happening on any significant scale.

This might weaken Republicans in some swing states like Wisconsin but I doubt it would be enough to flip Florida or Texas. It might be enough to allow
Democrats to keep the House in 2022.

They’re going to totally get out of this impeachment trial unscathed. Allowing McConnell to kick the can on this to the first week of February allowed republicans to just disregard this and to say that they don’t need to do anything now because the President is now gone and we need to move on as a nation.

We’ll see what Trump really thinks once the GOP senators really vote, cause if they squash this (as the vote today was just procedural) then it’s going to mean that Trump is still a force and will most likely going to continue being a force in the Republican party.

Donald Trump isn’t going to start his own party, he doesn’t want to do it because he knows that’ll anger senate Republicans into voting for him to be found guilty.

102  Other / Politics & Society / Re: serious question: can we start a TRUMP - Tokenomics on: January 25, 2021, 11:43:17 PM
Prediction markets already exist. All that other stuff that you mention sounds like a scam designed to separate the gullible and the greedy from their money and we have thousands of shitcoins perfectly capable of doing that.

Pretty sure we even have TRUMP coins already. Was a pretty big craze back in 2016 with the coin b/c of the election. Rumors that he was going to talk about it and all that other ICO bullshit. Here’s the chart:

https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/trumpcoin/usd#panel

Coin is a shitcoin, just like the one being discussed here.
103  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump has been impeached for the 2nd time on: January 21, 2021, 09:47:32 AM
...  There will be attacks, most likely fatal attacks, which will likely face a stronger police response than last time, and an aftermath in which Republicans will face a difficult choice and be forced to take a side.

Count on it.  A lot of sleeper cells are waking up now, I would guess, in case there are not enough organic problems.  And I'm guessing there won't be enough.

If you 'see something, say something record it, then put your phone in a metal box.'



No attacks, no nothing.

Everything went find, Joe Biden is the President. That’s the end of the conspiracy about when the next attack is coming. It was never coming, QAnon lied, surprise surprise.

But onto the topic here, I don’t think that Trump will be found guility. Mitch will probably kick the can on the whole thing and say that the country must move on. President Biden will probably be fine with that too b/c he wants to show unity and everything.

They've got to get some new department heads in place, vet the staff, create the story-boards, cross-check that the pool of patsies is still looking good, etc.  It's possible for actual Americans to accidentally get into the apparatus (Paul Craig Roberts, Charlotte Iserbyt, etc.)  Less likely now, and especially under Trump, but it could happen, so need to lint out such people.

I'd expect 3 to 6 months before the real kinetics start.  In the mean time look for a huge ramp-up of the 'white nationalist terrorists' and such-like panic to be whipped up in the mainstream media.



Are you saying that President Biden and his team are going to drum up bullshit stories about white nationalists and terrorism being connected as a way to strike down on whiteness? Not exactly sure on what you’re saying is going to happen here.

Is this an investigation into the Capitol riots? Is it something just bullshit they all make up? Is it a way to expand on legislation relating to government surveillance of our lives? Not even sure on why they would do this, curious on your reasoning.
104  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump has been impeached for the 2nd time on: January 21, 2021, 07:24:59 AM
...  There will be attacks, most likely fatal attacks, which will likely face a stronger police response than last time, and an aftermath in which Republicans will face a difficult choice and be forced to take a side.

Count on it.  A lot of sleeper cells are waking up now, I would guess, in case there are not enough organic problems.  And I'm guessing there won't be enough.

If you 'see something, say something record it, then put your phone in a metal box.'



No attacks, no nothing.

Everything went find, Joe Biden is the President. That’s the end of the conspiracy about when the next attack is coming. It was never coming, QAnon lied, surprise surprise.

But onto the topic here, I don’t think that Trump will be found guility. Mitch will probably kick the can on the whole thing and say that the country must move on. President Biden will probably be fine with that too b/c he wants to show unity and everything.
105  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US Capitol Stormers Are Now On No-Fly List And Crying At Airports on: January 21, 2021, 07:17:44 AM
Just to clarify, what’s the normal circumstances a person will be deemed deny into airport?

As long as you have a ticket, valid ID, no bombs or drugs in your bags and you're not on the no fly list, you shouldn't have a problem.

And apparently if you have a long beard the TSA will move you into the special line and grab your nuts.  Roll Eyes

Jokes aside the TSA is a flaming dumpster fire with nearly a 90% failure rate- https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/12/20/whistleblower-says-tsa-is-trading-speed-for-security/

I'm surprised they were so focused on the Trump supporters considering they have just a tad bit of work to do in regards to tightening up their security protocol.

Oh if we’re turning this into a discussion about the TSA, they’re an absolutely horribly inefficient organization that can’t even do their own job correctly.

I think that the TSA is a jobs program for the tons of people that live near the airports. It ensures that these people are put to work, and aren’t a strain on the welfare system.

But no one cares about fixing that stuff anymore. There’s no reason to even do that when nothing matters and tons of money is continuously injected by both Congress and the Fed.
106  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Im just wondering Why the politics must be always dirty? on: January 21, 2021, 07:13:24 AM
Why is politics so dirty? Becuase there is a massive amount of power on the line which causes people to do whatever must be done to get, keep, and continue to retain the power that they get.

Once you win public office, you begin to notice that the power is amazing. Think of someone like Nixon, I highly doubt when Nixon first got involved in politics that he was a horrible person (haven’t read into him though, so I have no idea about his early life) - but as time went on Nixon become dirtier and dirtier and then we get to the point where he’s having the DNC raided into.

When an insane amount of power is on the line, people will stop at nothing to continue to have it. It’s Machiavellian, but that’s where we’re at now.
107  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Any riots are stupid how the people so stupid? on: January 21, 2021, 06:52:52 AM
I'm almost 100 percent sure that a crowded crowd can be easily controlled.

If these had been deployed, you wouldn't need hundreds of guards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzG4oEutPbA

Can’t wait to hit some people with this shit and find out in 30 yrs that we’re going to have to pay them some massive settlement because it caused cancer.

Seems like it might be cheaper to just have a hundred guards, rather then potentially pay out a massive settlement in some amount of years.

I hear tear gas is pretty cheap these days. Launch some of those in a crowd, usually makes people disperse pretty quickly.
108  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ‘We really are the cucks': QAnon adrift after Trump ‘fails to ascend as God Empe on: January 21, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
Damn, never thought I would see the day where the QAnon people are actually beginning to admit that they were wrong and that Trump is not this god that is going to save them from everything.

None of them even got pardons or anything, that probably hit right in soul.

Could ya send some links of the QAnon forum? I can’t seem to find it and would love to browse.
109  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Could Blockchain be used to create a platform for whistle blowing/leaks? on: January 21, 2021, 06:17:22 AM
I understand that file storage and sharing is possible on a blockchain. I have been considering if a website like wikileaks could exist entirely as a blockchain, maintaining a permanent public record of everything published and consisting of enough nodes that nothing could take down the network nor could any one party be legally responsible for administering the service.

Could this work?

How is this any different than running a torrent client with versioning?

Because some people like throwing buzz words on normal things just so they can generate some hype.

There’s literally no reason to add more complexity to a system that works fine. Adding blockchain isn’t going to change anything. It’s just a marketing thing to try to get some buzz to a project.

Secure Drop, Signal, and so on all work right now.
110  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: January 21, 2021, 03:34:45 AM
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Curious to see if Trump gets his social media handles back in the coming days, now that Biden is the President.

The digital lynching of Trump and his supporters has just started.  Expect the media and all Democrats in power (at any level) to continue
their prosecution of anyone who has ever supported Trump.  People will lose their jobs, businesses, etc.  

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/513147-trump-biden-inauguration-hollywood-impeachment/

He is not getting any of the social media accounts back.

It is an open season to hunt down, destroy and humiliate all Trump supporters.

Marxists won.  Deal with it.

This does not bode well for the country long term.  Marxists will lead the country into an economic abyss, that is a given.

US debt is at 27.8T now, remember that number.  In four years, it will be 50T+.

Expect a truly fascist, far-right government in a decade or two.

Can we just think about why the national debt is at that level. It’s not because of one particular party, it’s because of both parties completely disregarding fiscal responsibility and acting like it’s okay.

Donald Trump and the GOP is the reason for a lot of the debt being added recently— approximately $7.8 trillion more during his one term.

So let’s not act like the marxists took over or anything. The GOP got their tax cut and everyone was happy (everyone being the GOP).

I do think that he will be getting some accounts back at somepoint, given that he doesn’t cause his supporters to attempt to raid the Capitol building.
111  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Joe Biden is President of the United States of America on: January 21, 2021, 02:02:59 AM
But indeed its going to be fun watching conspiratard heads explode because QAnon and 4chan let them down.

I don't think that's how it works. They will double down on the crazy juice and will continue denying reality... not that they were too attached to said reality to begin with.

Speaking of which, I hope BADecker is ok.

Exactly.

Not sure if you guys saw the QAnon thread (pretty sure it was satire, but still) where they were saying that Biden and Trump actually had an experimental surgery and Biden is now Trump and Trump is now Biden. In summary, Trump has actually been inaugurated again and Biden will pay for his crimes (as Trump) in the coming weeks.

LOL. Expecting more of this shit to continue though. Curious to see if Trump gets his social media handles back in the coming days, now that Biden is the President.
112  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 51% of Americans approve of Trump! on: January 20, 2021, 11:44:26 PM
despite what you may read in right wing media - they're just trying to get you fired up (and it seems to be working).

Ladies and gentleman of the forum, refer hereby to what I said previously about liberals’ attempts to rationalize me away.

In fact, as a perspicacious observer with no political party attachments, I myself independently reached my above-quoted conclusion.  I actually have not seen anyone else saying what I said; I am the first and only, to the best of my knowledge.  If anyone else said the same thing, I must have missed it.  But no—that cannot be!—it is impossible!  I must be regurgitating agitprop from some mysterious dark force, vaguely identified as “right-wing media”.

Just remember that I am the same nullius whose cultural and political forum oeuvre more usually consists of neoclassical nude statues of Phryne, Nietzschean condemnations of Christianity, rage against American world-police invasions of countries that are not America, and anti-feminist tirades that squarely blame men for inventing feminism.  (Because I know history.  Feminism is men’s fault, and men need to take responsibility for that.)  Surely, I am one to parrot whatever the “right-wing media” (!) brainwashed me to say.  Roll Eyes

I might have believed you a couple months ago.  But now I think that you were trying to appear as if you had no preference at all who won the election when in reality you very much wanted Trump to win.  

But it seems like you basically stopped trying.  A few weeks ago you started getting sloppy, repeating right wing media talking points basically word for wor and framing everything as if the Liberals are evil and Conservatives the victims.  And recently you've just been openly pushing right wing debunked conspiracy theories as if they were settled fact.  Pretty sure you're a Trump supporter and you've been one all along.  I've noticed similar transformations in OgNasty and Mindtrust since the election happened.  Trump really attracts the angry internet trolls.





Pretty sure that's a pretty common thing for people to do now. Now that the election is over and Biden has officially been inaugurated more and more people who vocally supported Trump are going to backtrack on the claim to try to get back into cahoots with establishment Republicans.

Curious on what people think of me over the years, as I know that I've visibly shifted in some of my views and have become more sympathetic to more moderate views. Maybe I'll start a thread on here where yall can roast me into oblivion regarding my shift.

I personally think that the Senate won't find Trump guilty of anything. Republican support is beginning to climb back up for Trump and he'll most likely be able to get his allies in the Senate to say that the country must move on and allow healing to occur. That's the angle I see people using with the most success.


113  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Pardons on: January 20, 2021, 10:19:04 PM

"We're gonna build the wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it!"

"They'll pay for it later!"

"The military will pay for it!"

"You will pay for it"

"My Chief Strategist will run a charity scam to build the wall, keep your money and then I'll pardon him!"

This was like one of the golden things that got him into the White House and nothing ended up happening here and he really didn’t even talk about it.

Most of the conversations regarding it was him saying that it actually was being built and the media was lying about it.

Interesting that several folks who got pardons were sentenced for cannabis smuggling/distribution. Guess times really are a-changin'  Cool

If Trump does run again, he’ll lean on this as a way to get the votes from minority groups and others that have been harshly punished by these drug laws over the years.

Maybe he’ll use this sort of stuff as a key foundation of his Patriot Party, if he ever actually forms that.
114  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 20, 2021, 09:31:39 PM
Walked right out the front door, like I said.

Didn’t have to be dragged through the WH by the secret service, or a swat team or anything like that. Guy left on Air Force One and went down to the Mar A Lago. Guess we’ll see if he starts his own party or does something along those lines.

He continued to say that he wouldn’t be fully out of politics and that he’ll be back in some form.
115  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 51% of Americans approve of Trump! on: January 20, 2021, 08:28:31 PM
Newsflash:  As of 20 January 2021, Rasmussen Reports has Trump at 51% approval.  Although their index of his approval is still negative, they measure him as having the approval of a majority of Americans, with approval now (barely) exceeding disapproval by a statistically significant amount.

I observe that as the Biden inauguration has approached, Trump’s numbers have slowly increased by a statistically significant amount.
You seem to be only considering the single poll from Rasmussen.  Look at all their previous polls: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Also you should consider many pollsters instead of just one.  Here are the results of nearly every poll since he's been elected (although it doesn't include the ones that just came out today):



And how he compares to previous Presidents:



See but why use poll aggregators that weight different polling groups when you can just pick the polling group that favors your guy and then run with it to keep your narrative going.

It’d be too easy to do that when you can just lie yourself into your own views.

LOL.
116  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC renters owe landlords owe more then $1 Billion in unpaid rent on: January 20, 2021, 04:45:29 AM
I have no idea who’s going to blame for this. People going rent free and many has no house to return, and there is people who have more loan than they could afford, it’s all unprecedented! Nothing is totally fine here, but just move on, it’s just getting to be the norm tomorrow, everyday there will be more new norms, just COPE with the norm will you.

Anyone to blame for this? I’d say the whole global pandemic causing people to not be able to have work.

I don’t think it’s fair to blame renters for not being able to pay. That’s just unfair, they’ve lost their job for something that is so way out of their own control that it’s insane to push them out of housing.

No reason to even blame this on more loans or not being able to afford things, that’s not the reason that people can’t pay right now.
117  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How will Trump leave the White House? on: January 20, 2021, 04:43:23 AM
Don't think his economic record or his foreign policy will be remember at all, which were highlights of his administration. Great jobs numbers, median income increases,

... business-killing tariffs, useless tax cuts and exploding deficit, restricting legal immigration, alienating allies and befriending despots.

On the bright side, this puts an end to the GOP myth of fiscal responsibility and free trade.

Heh, funny that you think this is the end of ‘fiscal responsibility’ Mitch McConnell has been angling to use that line again ever since the second stimulus package, and they’re going to use it again.

It’s the great saying ‘rules for thee, but not for me’

I still do think that fiscal responsibility is important, though the GOP just didn’t do anything about it at all over these years. I get the last year being the pandemic and all, but there’s no way to sell the tax cuts as fiscally responsible.

Cut the military budget, end of story.
118  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US Capitol Stormers Are Now On No-Fly List And Crying At Airports on: January 19, 2021, 09:48:29 PM
So I have been looking though the piles of documents posted on the DoJ site against the (innocent until proven guilty) rioters / terrorists / whatever you want to call them.
Found this one:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1355921/download
If you want to skip to the good part...just go to page 7 paragraph 17 and keep reading....the good part is page 8...with a map....

I think I pulled a muscle laughing at this idiot.
That takes a special kind of stupid.

-Dave


Most, if not all of these "special kind of stupid" morons folk had optional pocket tracking systems (aka smartphones).
Complete with forever-on-the-intertoobz hi def cameras.
And they opted in, either knowingly or, more likely, unknowingly.
Sure makes law enforcements job a hell of a lot easier at collecting evidence. Added bonus....most of them went mask less.

Some of these people were even dumb enough to record the situation. Cause the correct thing to do while you're committing a federal crime is to record it and livestream it online so there is an abundance of evidence supporting the fact that you actually did commit the crime...

Sigh, boomers told the next couple generations to not share too much online. How the tables have turned on them.


Most, if not all of these "special kind of stupid" morons folk had optional pocket tracking systems (aka smartphones).
Complete with forever-on-the-intertoobz hi def cameras.
And they opted in, either knowingly or, more likely, unknowingly.
Sure makes law enforcements job a hell of a lot easier at collecting evidence. Added bonus....most of them went mask less.

Like this guy here:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/FBI-Texas-man-threatened-to-shoot-family-if-they-15880036.php

Has a camera to document his crime:

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Guy Reffitt took his gun with him when they "stormed the Capitol" and recorded some of the events on his Go Pro camera that he was wearing on his helmet, according to a federal criminal complaint.

Gets on news footage:

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FBI agents tracked down Reffitt through a news video, showing a man outside the U.S. Capitol building using a water bottle to flush out his eyes after apparently being pepper-sprayed.

Threatens his kids for his own stupidity:

Quote
On Jan. 11, Reffitt commented to his son that he had to "erase everything" because the FBI was now watching him. Reffitt also told his son that if he crossed the line and reported him to police, that would put the family in jeopardy and Reffitt would have no option but to do his duty to protect the country and "do what he had to do," according to the complaint.

Quote
After that threat, Reffitt caught his daughter using her phone and told her that if she was recording him, meaning putting him on social media, that she had crossed the line and betrayed the family. He threatened to "put a bullet through" his daughter's phone, the complaint says.

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In another threat, Reffitt told his son and daughter, "If you turn me in, you're a traitor and you know what happens to traitors ... traitors get shot," according to the complaint.


Mouth breathers. Mouth breathers everywhere.
119  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NYC renters owe landlords owe more then $1 Billion in unpaid rent on: January 19, 2021, 09:43:12 PM
It’d be a lot easier to ignore a big management company with hundreds of apartments and tell them to pound sand. But not as easy to ignore the retired guy who you know relies on this money.

morally yes.. but practically..no
legally the management companies have policies and processes in place to find many ways to get rid of tenants or atleast file claims to get direct payments from benefits/employer.
where as a single private landlord would have more costs involved to start filing claims against a tenant and a lengthier process.

this is why organisational renting actually do evict people in normal times within 3 months. yet single landlords usually try to file claims after the 5-9th month.

organised landlords have processes and are not sympathetic to circumstances. but single landlordsa become more sympathetic and give the benefit of doubt to their tenants.

in the UK an local housing association/real estate management company/council would have filed a claim for under £50 to get direct payments from benefits/employer and thus now happily getting rent.
yep UK council house tenants are paying rent direct or indirectly.
but single private landlords are left waiting months where they just wait until the debt becomes too big to foresee it getting paid before they start the claims process for eviction. which is now delayed

I mean, at least during a pandemic where you don't have to pay your rent and you cant be evicted -- which is currently the case in NYC.

My whole thing was going on the moral angle of things given the pandemic situation. As there are a lot more protections in place now then there would regularly be for people that aren't paying their rent. Totally get all your info though, makes a lot of sense.
120  Other / Politics & Society / Re: US Capitol Stormers Are Now On No-Fly List And Crying At Airports on: January 18, 2021, 11:22:31 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/capitol-rioter-plotted-sell-stolen-pelosi-laptop-russian-intelligence-n1254583

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A Pennsylvania woman accused of being one of the Capitol rioters told a former "romantic partner" she planned to steal a laptop computer from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office and sell it to Russian intelligence, court documents revealed Monday.

(emphasis mine)

Supporters of the stable genius traitor are pulling out all the stops to make him el presidente for life... I'm just not exactly sure how they thought Putin would help them.

Wasn’t the laptop just a scheduling laptop in the end? Probably wouldn’t have done much for Putin / Russian intelligence anyway.

All of this does point out a pretty large security issue in the capitol — as these people could’ve just went into congresspeople of the intelligence committees offices and stolen classified documents - or at least notes about these — and sent them over to other countries. Pretty easy way for other countries to use this as a way to attack America would’ve been to just insert their own people into the rioting.
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