And since more then likely as of Jan 21st when he is no longer president the lawsuits are going to start rolling in it's, better for them not to be holding any of his money.
No frozen accounts, no dealing with having to distribute funds per government orders, etc.
Yes records will have to be given to people, bank employees will have to testify, etc. But no other financial issues. Except perhaps fines.
That's just good business. And they have the out of "we could not do this while he was still in office due to fear of reprisals"
-Dave
+1 to this being the reason that banks are doing this. Banks know that they have to comply with all of these requests ets, and it’s easier to push his accounts away from them rather then ensuring that their compliance teams aren’t spending every waking minute providing their paperwork to different state / federal / whoever the hell wants to investigate Trump from here on it. In regards to him accepting Bitcoin/other Cryptos — I do think it is one of the best path forwards for him if more credit card processors say they don’t want to work with him and then he can’t process donations on his site. |
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Not sure if I’m confused here because I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say or if I’m just a tad slow. Both are totally possible.
Are you just saying here that Trump supporters are going to continue to think of this event as a good thing and say that they were silenced by anti democracy forces when they were the anti democracy forces?
As a complete aside, how is Curiosity Stream and Nebula — are they worth it?
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I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far. Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election. After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown. This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact. There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power. Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders. These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen. The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country. Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted. There’s no real way to defend the actions of the President leading up to the Capitol riot because he really was the main reason that these people thought the election was stolen from him. There’s no merit to support all of these crazy claims about the voting systems, fake ballots, mail in fraud, and so on and so forth. Donald Trump has now been impeached (again) by the House and there is a chance that he is found guilty by the Senate. i think this all highly depends on the timing of Dems sending it to the Senate. If they send it now / in the first few days of the Biden admin when Dems have control of the Senate then I think the liklihood is high as this is still news. Though if this is sent 100 days from now or some shit like that, then there’s a pretty low chance of passing as it gives the GOP the out of ‘well this is already done and he is so far out of the Presidency, why are we even doing this’ — Plus people won’t really care at this point. |
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Nah, they shouldn't invoke the 25th amendment. Trump will leave and there will be a peaceful transition whether he accepts that he lost or not. https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1347103015493361664Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification: “Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!” He knew that he lost weeks ago and is dragging this out for the fuck of it. This was clear when he ordered the transition process to begin. To be honest, he sounded defeated back in November so I had my doubts on whether he believed his own bullshit. Watching the Trump administration is one of the weirdest things that I’ve seen. PR for them is horrible, and it never really works too properly. Chad Wolfe, the acting DHS secretary (who was actually recently classified as unlawful in his position), put out a statement saying that Trump should strongly condemn the Capitol violence. Shortly after this the Trump admin announced they withdrew his nomination to lead DHS. Not really sure if it matters given the fact that he’ll be losing his post very shortly anyway, but still something that matters. |
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 He might be leaving without a twitter account. Tweets are going to be removed, though this would be a great time for him to start his little media empire and buy one of the conservative social media sites (Parler, maybe) and then get all of his people to move over to it to be in their own echo chamber. He does have the ability to tweet now - though he is banned from Facebook/Instagram until the transition is complete. https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-to-regain-ability-to-tweet-from-his-personal-twitter-account-11610032898He still does have access to his WH twitter account, so he may just use that to do whatever he wants. Not sure on the rules surrounding that account - highly doubt rules mean much to the sitting US president. Holy cow.
It just gets more crazy.
Did he tweet for action to happen? banned fro Twitter?
He didn’t tweet directly for action to happen, though I’m pretty sure he just continued to spout off the same nonesense regarding election fraud and that’s what got us into this mess. |
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Throwing Trump under the bus and persecuting him is a very risky move, so I don't think this will happen. Don't forget that he still has ~75 million votes, and his loyal right-wing fans could snap.
Anyway, I think previous leaders also have some kind of immunity since I can't remember when last time we sue previous leaders because of their crimes.
Could snap? They have snapped. Not sure if we’re living in the same world right now but we did see people invade the US Capitol yesterday and force Senators/Representatives to be evacuated. Prosecuting him — not sure if it happens and would set a bad precedent. I saw Comey saying the other day that the Biden DOJ should ensure to not focus on that to help bring the country together. There have been reports by CBS News that some of Trump's cabinet members are considering invoking the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office in light of the riots and violence today in the Capital.
While I do believe a Trump Presidency in the next term would be best for America, and that Trump had legitimate causes of action to overturn state-specific results, Trump did not capitalize most likely due to incompetence within his legal team. At this point, there is no path to victory on the part of Trump, and he should concede that he did not win the election.
If Trump is removed from office before the end of his term, his ability to run in 2024 is diminished, as his ability to play 'kingmaker' in the future.
What do you think? Should Trump be removed before the end of his term? Is Trump's telling his supporters to 'go home' while also saying the election was 'stolen' a strong enough message?
It is just a talk. Republicans lost in more than one way. They lost this election. They lost the support of Trump supporters by the way they acted yesterday. Notice that only junior members of the senate voted to support the investigation into allegations of voting irregularities. The old Republican guard went all against Trump. If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL) and run in future elections, this will split the Republican vote and Democrats will be guaranteed the presidency for decades to come. Republicans are done for a while unless they mend the rift with Trump which I don't they will do. Either way, we'll have a Democrat president at least for two terms. I wouldn’t go that far in terms of Dems holding the presidency for two terms. 4 years is still a long time and a lot can happen in that time. Pretty sure Trump knows that if he starts his own party he’ll lose whatever support he has left from traditional Republicans that were willing to ensure he doesn’t get prosecuted from a Biden DOJ. They don’t have to mend the rift with Trump, they have to mend it with his supporters and convince them that they’re going to help them. The reason all of this happened to begin with is because many Republicans were tired of the party. |
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Pandering to Trumps base is one thing, though I highly doubt the 40% of Americans (his base, probably a smaller number then this though) support what happened in the Capitol today.
Well, even if that's the case, there is another angle that could work - this was a false flag attack to push Biden's certification through. They will adopt whatever narrative plays best with the base and I doubt it would be "Trump incited violence at the Capitol". Keep in mind that none of the "election fraud" fantasy is going away and that is the foundation of this whole conflict. I’ve been seeing this angle pop up more and more on social media - Lin Wood (lawyer for Trump at somepoint, may even be now) - is sharing pictures of a few people that were at BOTH AT BLM PROTESTS AND WERE AT THE WHITE HOUSE WHICH MEANS THAT THEY’RE OBVIOUSLY PAID ACTORS Pretty interesting mental gymnastics to convince yourself that at first there was nothing wrong with this event, but then at a certain point far left extremists got in with the intention of making yall look bad by agitating(?) Pandering to Trumps base is one thing, though I highly doubt the 40% of Americans (his base, probably a smaller number then this though) support what happened in the Capitol today.
Well, even if that's the case, there is another angle that could work - this was a false flag attack to push Biden's certification through. They will adopt whatever narrative plays best with the base and I doubt it would be "Trump incited violence at the Capitol". Keep in mind that none of the "election fraud" fantasy is going away and that is the foundation of this whole conflict. Tash has you covered: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307332.msg56041284#msg56041284BADecker will fill us in on the details later today I'm sure. Sigh. |
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According to the Bloomberg Covid-19 Vaccine Tracker, the number of vaccine shots administered have passed the 12 million mark. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/Out of this number, 4.28 million are in the United States and just 103,000 doses have been given in Canada. Even taking in to account for the lower population in Canada, they have administered far fewer vaccines when compared to their Southern neighbor. For comparison, the state of New York has administered 237,000 vaccine shots till now. Trudeau as usual, is all talk and no action. Anyway, the Canucks got what they deserve. They also have had 600k total cases/15k deaths vs Americas 21 million/360k deaths. Yeah not really the fully story to just be comparing raw numbers at face value. A lot of people do it, though it doesn’t make it the right way to go about comparing these things. Lot of layers which Frank1 has went through the potential for. Even without thinking that much it’d be pretty easy to understand that there is probably age differences, health differences, demographic differences, and so on and so forth. Kinda like me saying — well in England they only have 150k cases — well yes, but they have a lot less people then America (just making up numbers here) Little rant of mine about raw numbers. I think Trudeau is making the right call on the vaccine though, it’s going to save so many peoples lives. |
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usual order of things cascading down if you get negative response:
contact them
- ask for a return of funds
- as for an explanation of why they wont return the funds
- give them a warning you will take legal action if they dont return funds
locate their business(physical office address)
- send them official notice of legal action with a note that the legal action will stop if they pay out
- give them a final warning with option to pay out to avoid action
sue them
This is the usual route you go. Though you did involve yourself in a Ponzi Scheme and you most likely knew what was going on. Horrible to see someone lose money on something like this, though it has been well known as this for sometime. See the articles below: https://news.bitcoin.com/ceo-of-mti-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-flees-south-africa-in-a-possible-exit-scam-funds-blocked/https://www.techfinancials.co.za/2020/12/28/appeal-to-creditors-to-join-mti-online-bitcoin-trading-scam-liquidation-application/While I feel horrible, you probably saw really high returns and thought there was a lot of risk in getting in. You were probably hoping to get out before the others did. Didn’t work out from you. Take this as an expensive lesson in not getting involved in something that is too good to be true because sadly (most likely) your coins are gone. Goodluck though |
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he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law.
None of those people want to represent him as they all know he has no case, which is why he wound up with who he did. Yes and No. Pretty sure that in the beginning of this case the thought process around it was that they were going to try to raise as much money as possible around it. At a certain point in time though Trump really did begin to believe all of the bullshit that people were spewing and thought that there was really no way that he could’ve lost without fraud + his supporters ate all of this up and people believed that there’s no way he could’ve lost. This opened up a prime opportunity for him to stir up shit and try to really overturn the results. By this point though, he was just swarmed by his most loyal confidants and there was no one who was going to help him in his quest to overturn a free and fair election besides the people that convinced him it was a good idea. As I say in other threads, lot of speculation going on in my own head here. Let me know if I sound crazy. |
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dumb don trump wont run in 2024.
if anything is learned by historic presidents. it wil be one of their family members that will give it a try
im guessing ivanka
his legal team did not miss a step. there was no step to miss.
even if he had the best legal team in the world there was no case.
his game is not to win. his game is to raid the RNC funds before he is escorted out of the white house
$150m-$200m up for grabs and only 2 months to spend it. thats all he was interested in.
hiring a legal team and doing stupid stuff is just his excuses to go on a spending spree
hiring out HIS OWN RESORT using public funds is just other ways to put money in his back pocket
he doesnt care about american citizens. he does not care about politics he doesnt care about laws.
he just wanted a big boy seat so he can fame it up for profit
time for him to go, before he does anything else stupid
Hm, got a source on this $150-200M that is up for grabs? I know he has the leadership PAC that is under him that he has access to, though he has access to that whether he is the President or not as the PAC is under him in some sort of way. In regards to OP and the 25th - If Republicans can rally around removing Trump from office, I think he’s fully done as a potential kingmaker of the party and people have already begun supporting the removal. That’s me saying that the only way he’d be removed by his cabinet is that if the people started to turn on him because of what he did. Too many loyalists in the cabinet to just remove him without base support. Still speculating though, who knows what the fuck is going to happen. Never did I think I was going to be writing about the Capitol building being stormed into but here we are. |
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You can't expect investors that have an aversion to gold to be excited about Bitcoin. If they don't think gold has a use as a store of value, you can image their thoughts on what is being pitched as the digital equivalent. People like Warren Buffett want to own boring companies with a long track record of growing profits. It made quite a stir when Berkshire Hathaway invested in a gold miner recently. With that in mind, it is possible that you could see Buffett buy into a company like Coinbase or Circle in the future if their markets continue to grow.
One of the best looks at this entire thing. Gold is a stupid investment though — literally one of the worst performing asset classes over long periods of time. Doesn’t do anything at all, and is a dumb hedge. If you want a hedge against a global meltdown where stocks go to zero or the zombies invade, then you should go by a gun and bullets. Don’t mind me hating heavily on gold though, I just don’t like the whole — buy gold because we’re going to go back to the gold standard or some bullshit like that. Totally can’t expect the leader of stock market investing over this time period to jump into this asset class though. |
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the intent of the 25th amendment was not this - it was in terms of if the President was ever in a coma.
mental and/or physical diminished capacity. i think his mental state is in question 100% his mental state is totally in question and that’d be a fair avenue to go about the 25th amendment and removing him from office. I’ve read some info on how it works, and it’s just Pence + a majority of his cabinet for a temporary removal that would force Pence into the Presidency until Congress would have to vote in a 2/3 super majority to remove him permanently - this vote would have to happen after 4 days. Elaine Chao is still in the cabinet (Mitch McConnels wife) - though I do think there are too many loyalists there to have a good shot at this, though I don’t know what Pences relationship looks like with the loyalists as well. I think it’s a fair shot, but the bar is high. Source on 25th stuff: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/politics/25th-amendment-explainer/index.html |
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Is it time to uninstall WhatsApp? Yes. The best time to do it was in 2014 when Facebook bought it. If you haven't already, do it now. I suspect Facebook have probably already built backdoors in to it to bypass the end-to-end encryption, but if they haven't then they will soon. I will recommend Signal in its place: https://signal.orgIt is free, open source, can do everything WhatsApp can do, and has a bunch of extra privacy features. LOL yeah, I was pretty sure that most people knew about Signal and that they should use it more. In regards to Facebook building backdoors to get through encryption, wouldn’t they be forced to use this sort of thing in the investigations from Mueller into Kushner and such? As it was alleged that Kushner (and other members of the Trump admin) were using WhatsApp to hide their communications and have it be fully encrypted. Never really noticed personally thats WhatsApp has a great international presence, random thing that I wanted to add for people that aren’t from outside of the US and didn’t know that. |
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Depends on what ‘makes worse’ means to you and what you think is going to happen, though obviously that’s something that you’re trying to explore in this post.
I do not think that the majority of Trump supporters agree with what these people did in DC. Maybe some of them do yes, but I highly doubt the majority of them agree with this sort of thing. If pew research or some other polling outlet can prove me wrong then so be it.
Will it get worse? Depends on if you think Trump would sell this as a coup to the American people and try to take up violent arms against the government for forcibly removing him from his office before his term ends in 15 days.
I think it’s an interesting realm to go down b/c there’s so much unknown there. Never has this been done before and the intent of the 25th amendment was not this - it was in terms of if the President was ever in a coma.
Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures, we’ll see where we go from here.
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Expecting a TON of people in the WH to resign over the next few days. Only way to ensure that they’ll have a job in the next Republican administration, as this is the last straw for Trumpism in the party — or at least for the future of the party.
After the last four years - or maybe I was always that cynical - I don't believe that this dissent will last. Some Republicans will say the correct words, some will quietly wait it out, but when the next round of primaries starts they will all be pandering to Trump's base again, which will see this attack on the Capitol as real patriots doing the right thing. Fox News is already weaving a narrative to that effect. I'm sure Newsmax and OAN are way ahead. I don’t know about that, I truly think this may be the straw that breaks the camels back. Pandering to Trumps base is one thing, though I highly doubt the 40% of Americans (his base, probably a smaller number then this though) support what happened in the Capitol today. I can only imagine what is going on at OAN, Newsmax, and Fox — though I do think a lot of people saw this for what it is today without having their narrative fed by someone else. Like just seeing the pictures and videos on social media / newspaper / whatever medium you use is enough to show that what happened today WENT WAY TOO FAR. Depends on the amount of pressure the next few days have though, that’s where we see what we’ll make of all of this. I still do think that the Trump rule of the party is tainted, and will probably be leaning towards an end here. Gives GOP a lot of wiggle room to run away from him now. |
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SIGH.
Rudy Giuliani was trying to call Senator Tuberville (R-AL) and asking him to object to more states in the electoral certification to buy them more time, the only problem was that he called the wrong Senator and the person that he called shared the audio with the media.
What the fuck kind of clownshow coup is this.
So Trump has an idiot legal team. He should not be employing celebrity lawyers, he should be employing people who have in-depth knowledge of the law. If Trump does end up getting prosecuted, my bet is that Giuliani ends up having his fingerprints on the case. Yes. Celebrity lawyers made sense when this whole thing was about generating hype and raising as much money as possible. Not making any sense at all when your goal is to truly try to stay in office as long as possible. I’d say the reason for this is that Trump trusts Giuliani as he’s been one of the longest serving advisors to him during this time (in an official, and unofficial capacity) and he is one of the people who probably still tells him that he still has a shot at pulling this all off, even when he doesn’t. Plus ya know, I highly doubt any legal firms want to take up undermining democracy for some money. Seems like an easy way to be shunned from a lot of establishment people because of horrible PR. |
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SIGH. Rudy Giuliani was trying to call Senator Tuberville (R-AL) and asking him to object to more states in the electoral certification to buy them more time, the only problem was that he called the wrong Senator and the person that he called shared the audio with the media. What the fuck kind of clownshow coup is this. https://twitter.com/loopemma/status/1347023450607648771?s=10 - Tweet (Source) https://youtu.be/eJIeB8h3AMM - Direct Audio |
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With Ted Cruz making a fool of himself (in his defense, hilariously unlucky timing having to go from his speech to hiding under his desk) and so many Republicans finally conceding Trump is a psycho I expect a whole bunch of people working for Trump to resign very soon if they have any reputation left to salvage.
Expecting a TON of people in the WH to resign over the next few days. Only way to ensure that they’ll have a job in the next Republican administration, as this is the last straw for Trumpism in the party — or at least for the future of the party. I’ve seen reports of staffers of McCarthys (House minority leader - GOP) saying that they may resign in protest over him helping to start this fire. Many reports of WH staffers and aides and such within the executive branch. Axios is reporting that some cabinet members are discussing invoking the 25th amendment. No word from Pence though - https://www.axios.com/republicans-trump-removal-25th-amendment-a91c9dc4-b01f-4a50-ae41-aea971388d57.htmlNational manufacturing lobbying group came out and is backing the call as well. We’ll see where that goes and what Trump does on his twitter as a response. |
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Stock market seems to like Ossoff's and Warnock's wins, except Nasdaq for some reason. Perhaps a clamp down on Big Tech is expected. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/major-us-stock-indexes-fared-wednesday-75095771On Wednesday:
The S&P 500 rose 21.28 points, or 0.6%, to 3,748.14.
The Dow gained 437.80 points, or 1.4%, to 30,829.40.
The Nasdaq composite fell 78.17 points, or 0.6%, to 12,740.79.
The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies climbed 78.81 points, or 4%, to 2,057.92. Bitcoin up 10%+ too. Pretty sure they’re expecting a bipartisan assault on bigtech, which is probably to be expected given the fact that both sides are cool with regulating tech — either through removing something like section 230 (which is only really wanted by the right) - or breaking up monopolies, which is something that the left wants. They’ll find some common ground between those extreme points, not sure where they’ll be at. But maybe we’ll see some sort of laws relating to data (GDPR in the EU) or about how companies should treat data surrounding data breaches. Who the hell knows now, but big tech is going to be regulated more under a Biden admin. Market is happy cause stimulus and trade deals will be more stable. |
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