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5581  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 08:11:17 PM
Bitcoinwisdom is frozen

Yep. Things are getting funnier by the moment. What a bad day I chose to quit smoking.
5582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 08:09:27 PM
Bitfinex coldwallet down to 77k BTC from 137k, almost half. GET OUT PEOPLE. #BITFINEX #BITCOIN


https://bitinfocharts.com/bitcoin/address/3D2oetdNuZUqQHPJmcMDDHYoqkyNVsFk9r

source: https://twitter.com/Bitfinexed/status/855076454496964608

Credits: Africoin

How do we know that's the only cold wallet Bitfinex have?

Also, how do we know it isn't that most of the Bitcoins on deposit have already been withdrawn to other exchanges and thus the lowered price?

When/If Bitfinex stops Bitcoin withdrawals we will know for sure.
5583  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
$1320 on Finex  Shocked  I'm a bit speechless now, this will not end up well.

No kidding.  For the last eon Huobi has generally been the price leader and it's currently $1055 in yuan equivalent there and $983 USD spot in China.  Literally a...$300 spread.  To top it all off, you would think that with Bitfinex being in the process of Goxing they would tone down their fraud levels some at least for appearance sake, but nope, they've actually ratcheted the fraud levels upwards with Finex owners doing some big non-aggregate market pump while also freezing all deposits and withdrawals at the same time.  It's literally an organized crime syndicate at this point.

The good thing, is that with all this FIAT blockage in FINEX and people running with their Bitcoins to other exchanges we will soon know if they have full reserves after the hack or if they don't.
They dont. Please look at Africoins threat. They are moving their cold storage. Gox2.0

Source?

It's no wonder they need to get reach of their cold storage... No exchange should have that much bitcoins on hot wallet to serve a "bitcoin bank run".

As long as their cold wallet doesn't run empty, everything is fine.
5584  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
$1320 on Finex  Shocked  I'm a bit speechless now, this will not end up well.

No kidding.  For the last eon Huobi has generally been the price leader and it's currently $1055 in yuan equivalent there and $983 USD spot in China.  Literally a...$300 spread.  To top it all off, you would think that with Bitfinex being in the process of Goxing they would tone down their fraud levels some at least for appearance sake, but nope, they've actually ratcheted the fraud levels upwards with Finex owners doing some big non-aggregate market pump while also freezing all deposits and withdrawals at the same time.  It's literally an organized crime syndicate at this point.

The good thing, is that with all this FIAT blockage in FINEX and people running with their Bitcoins to other exchanges we will soon know if they have full reserves after the hack or if they don't.
5585  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 07:09:44 PM
Feels like Willy again..  Grin

Free Willy... again.
5586  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
It doesnt work that way, friend. Price can dip regardless of whale manipulation especially since keeping it that level consumes huge amounts of USD every day. Miners gonna eat too.

What if the price is rising because miners are not dumping, since they cant withdraw fiat?

I think big mining pools sell OTC. Maybe some even sell on futures contract.

How are they selling on futures contract if they need money for bills?

It works like this: One OTC buyer gives them some money now for a predeterMINED (lol) ammount of BTC to be given back before a date. It looks like some sort of futures  contract to me.

Ah sorry, I thought you ment okcoin/bitmex futures

I don't think they hit the exchanges for their selling unless as some sort of strategy to influence the price. Most probably they don't ever do it.

Of course, they do indirectly influence the price, as those buyers that get the BTC from them would otherwise have to get them on exchanges.... but the effect is somewhat diluted.
5587  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
It doesnt work that way, friend. Price can dip regardless of whale manipulation especially since keeping it that level consumes huge amounts of USD every day. Miners gonna eat too.

What if the price is rising because miners are not dumping, since they cant withdraw fiat?

I think big mining pools sell OTC. Maybe some even sell on futures contract.

How are they selling on futures contract if they need money for bills?

It works like this: One OTC buyer gives them some money now for a predeterMINED (lol) ammount of BTC to be given back before a date. It looks like some sort of futures  contract to me.
5588  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 06:32:28 PM
Wasn't here for a moment and now I find
Bitfinex $1300
The others ~$1230
Chinese exchanges $1060
What is going on?

Bitfinex can't withdraw FIAT whilst Chinesse exchanges can't withdraw BTC... Maybe they should merge before its too late. Love is in the air.
5589  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 06:15:54 PM
It doesnt work that way, friend. Price can dip regardless of whale manipulation especially since keeping it that level consumes huge amounts of USD every day. Miners gonna eat too.

What if the price is rising because miners are not dumping, since they cant withdraw fiat?

I think big mining pools sell OTC. Maybe some even sell on futures contract.
5590  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 05:19:31 PM
$1320 on Finex  Shocked  I'm a bit speechless now, this will not end up well.

Great selling buying opportunity incomming  Cheesy

holy molly what's that like 8-9% > stamps price.

maybe at 20% over,  the risk / reward is good enough to start go selling on finex?

I did just that in the last few days of MtGOX, when it had a BTC price of less than 100$ I transferred some FIAT which never even arrived in time to show on balance. Knew the risks, did the bet nevertheless, and lost it (as probabilistically expected).

I did it for a 7:1 in case of winning. Would never do it for a 1.2:1.... but hey, it's your gamble!.
5591  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2017, 04:49:49 PM
Nothing is wrong with Bitstamp, the only problem is with Bitfinex.  Since people feel fairly secure on Bitstamp they often dump their coins there for fiat so that they can get a withdrawal quick enough, which is why the price is usually lowest.  Bitcoin's Bitfinex value isn't actually backed by fiat and they can't process fiat withdrawals or even deposits on there so it's not long before it all explodes in their face.

It's amazing that Stamp is holding up as well it is - there really seems to be an underlying bullish sentiment thus far, despite current price aberrations.

Stamp is holding... but if bitcoins continue to flow from bitfinex to bitstamp to be withdraw in FIAT, bitstamp could have some liquidity problems. Whoever is thinking about buying would do better sending FIAT to bitstamp and buying there. Good arbitrage opportunity here.
5592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
I've a feeling... bitcoin is about to blast the all-time highs very soon!

This time, lets think a bit bigger, think of more than $1500! Grin

It will probably be much more than 1500 in next rally... but I am not so sure the time for such rally has come. Maybe BU is already dead, but Segwit/scaling doesn't seem to be happenning in months if not more.

When it happens I think a contributing factor will be all the money that has gone to altcoins which is much faster to convert into Bitcoins than fiat.

But until the scaling issue is solved with utmost consense, 1500 is probably the most we can expect in short term and even that is doubtful.

5593  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2017, 02:49:10 AM
btw, tether supply increased by 20% 7 hour ago

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=3MbYQMMmSkC3AgWkj9FMo5LsPTW1zBTwXL

+160% increase since 1rst of march

i think we found how they paid back everyone Smiley))

Never looked into Tether. Seemed impossible on its surface. How is the peg maintained? Don't know, don't care - it is an inherent impossibility.

^TETHER is a mastercoin spinoff~~~somewhat legit however ultimately questionable bloat to the blockchain scaling problems etc.. Wink

So Tether is something like this... There is a business that has a bank account in which there are some million dollars deposited.

For each dollar they issue 1 Tether. So we must trust that they are only issuing 1 tether for each USD deposited. We also need to trust the company won't go bankrupt for whatever reason. We must also trust that no agency/goverment will seize the funds of the bank accounts, again for whatever reason. We also need to trust that even if none of the previous happens, that no intermediary bank will reject the transfer when we request the USD value. Also, there's no interest paid on the deposit and, in the best possible scenario, we will be able to recover the exact devalued USD value.

I don't get it.
5594  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 18, 2017, 05:55:24 PM
concerning Bitfinex's solvency, etc... , unless you just wanting to spread fear and just bullshit that is not really backed up by the facts

Well, there _is_ the fact that some time ago they lost quite a large sum of funds to theft. That is a _fact_ that directly impinges upon their solvency. Of course, we don't _know_ how significant that loss is in relation to their assets.

Have you seen their current balance sheet and P&L Statement? No? Hmmm.

Anyone knows if Hong Kong's companies registry is public as it is in many countries? In Spain and some other European countries anyone can access the annual balance sheet of a company for a measly 10€.
5595  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2017, 01:38:18 AM
I see dead walls.
5596  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 13, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
Are you aware that you are trying to rationalise against something that you are ALMOST doing? (there's not much difference between 90% and 100%).

I don't know if the price will go up or down.... just making a point about something I find a bit incoherent.

Yes, we already went over this several times in our earlier discussion of the topic. 

I thought that the punchline was that we disagree.

 I already stated my reasons for disagreeing with you, and you already provided your reasons for disagreeing with me... but apparently, you want to continue to discuss the matter.

You already know from where I am coming from.  Whether you agree or not or understand, I already told you that I do not care because I am going to continue to make my various assertions regarding the benefits of incrementalism and the folly of balls to the walls strategies. 

Further more, you describe my system as 90 to 95% (as compared with 100%) - and that is a bit of bullshit, because we are not talking about me being 90-95% fiat, we are talking about bitcoin, and sliverfuture is going 0% bitcoin because he wants to gamble.  There's a pretty big fucking difference between 95% and 0%, no?  And, you are saying that it doesn't matter which one we are talking about .. blah blah blah.. It does matter, and likely plays out considerably different in practice too (not just theory).


I thought that when I copy pasted the exact reply that started our previous discussion you would get the joke Wink

Anyway, why don't you just recognize that you are gambling as we all are? System, no system.... it's all bets on one or other direction... and anything in the middle is just hedging on our main bet.

That said, its not like casino gambling... We are all here because we know the worst case is that our "investment" can go to cero but, in the best case, it has a big probability to be multiplied several times.
5597  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 13, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
Time to fulfill Afrikoin's prophecy.
I'm already sold out and waiting for $750.

Not 100% on 750 but I'm in fiat unless it pops up convincingly through those walls. It's been a bit of a slow grind down so we'll see where it bottoms out. I hope Africoin is correct.

JJG thought I was a reckless gambler when stating I had gone all fiat @ 1200 USD. I see no reason to play bits of this and that and percentages. I go with momentum and and have no problem reassessing my position and changing if need be.  Not panicking and buying back when it went higher than 1220 took some restraint but I was confident in the position.

You can be confident all that you like, and you can end up being correct in your prediction, but based on your explanation above, it still sounds to me that you are engaging in reckless and unnecessary gambling. 

Have you bought back yet, some or all?  If not, what is your price point(s) to buy back?

 Why take chances and play around with 100% of your holdings when there are a lot of safer and less reckless approaches?

Are you aware that you are trying to rationalise against something that you are ALMOST doing? (there's not much difference between 90% and 100%).

I don't know if the price will go up or down.... just making a point about something I find a bit incoherent.
5598  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2017, 09:43:32 AM
New record of all cryptocurrencies market cap: 28 billion.

Litecoin Segwit closer to activation threshold. If Litecoin manages to activate Segwit it will also be a big thing for BTC.

BTC price nearing highs in which a cascade of shorts liquidation could start to happen.

Not looking bad at all at this time, but lets see how it all folds.
5599  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2017, 01:36:42 AM


I agree with that, so I agree that there can be systematic ways to employ 100% betting, and that is why I posted in the first place to attempt to get some specifics regarding what the guy's plan was or is.



Again not much more different than any other system bassed on percentage of allocated funds to be in/out and hedge.


I agree that there are ways that seemingly different systems could be employed in ways to achieve similar results.


I don't want to break a record on the longest reply or something but also I don't like to leave a message without reply, so I won't go into a detailed quote.

What I was trying to say is that if you have never lowered from a 85% IN bitcoin, that is some bet you have on longterm upwards movement.

Whatever you do with your 5-10-15% of trading stash is something else. You say that makes a big difference, I say it isn't that much of a difference. We can agree on that disagreement.

If you were doing what you do, with a BIGGER percentage of trading/hedging funds I would say the difference is bigger. In fact, if you are getting a considerable better benchmark on the trading of that 10%... maybe you should increase that percentage to make the difference (and the profits) bigger.

You are right in that I don't know what that guy system is or if he has system at all. I was just trying to give some example in how being 100% in/out can be done following some kind of system, not trying to guess if that was exactly what he was/will be doing.

In the end, we are all sorta gambling. Remember martingale betting is also a "system" no matter what the long term consecuences it probabilistically have.



 


5600  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2017, 04:04:35 PM
I personally think that it makes a big difference to bet 100% versus betting 90%, and to play around with the 90% in the system that I employ (and maybe you too with the something similar that you mention).

Only a 10% difference, even if it psycologicaly makes you have a much different perception.

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There is a mindset difference too, to gamble everything in one direction or another versus the hedging that does not cause as much of a betting behavior.

Yes, I agree in the mindset difference. But it is just that, a mindset difference, not a REAL difference.

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In the end, I will admit that my overall approach is biased in favor of long term upwards price movements and relies upon a certain amount of ongoing volatility to increase its profitability.  Otherwise, the application of my whole systematic approach is almost non-thinking.  It is like the application of an algorithm (like a bot) to almost assuredly make money as long as you stick to the system.

That's it. You are "betting" on long term up direction, and you are doing it with 90% of your bitcoin allocated funds. It's no wonder you have had a great result overall for the past two years.

And with the 10% you have been basically scalping, which might have given you even better results. That's ok. But most of your great results are because of an "almost all in" bet in the right direction.

If this past two years the direction of price would have been downtrend.... you would have had a pretty poor result no matter the small 10% hedge you were using.

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Without giving some kind of details regarding how the betting 100% one way or another works, it does not seem like that guy is employing any kind of system, except for luck and guessing.  So, maybe in the end, I need more details from that other guy regarding how he employs his seemingly guessing game system. 

He is employing a "system". He thought the price direction could be downwards and got all out. If he is right, good for him, he will get all in when he deems appropiate price. If he is wrong... maybe he will also go all in (at a "loss") if he thinks the price will keep going upwards.

The only difference I appreciate is that you devote a 10% to sorta scalp and he doesnt. I like scalping. I was a big time scalper in 2013 (with very good results btw), until I ended "all in" because the price came lower than I would sell any more nor invest one more buck. I just let it sit, until I started again buying (not selling) in 2015 after the dump to $300 right after the $500 spike.

But scalping/hedging with 10% is still 10%. Your result is mostly defined by the 90% you have in a bet of long term upside (which I also share, btw).

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In other words, he guesses on the direction of the prices and I do not... there is a whole hell of a lot of difference in those two kinds of systems and those two ways of thinking (even though you are trying to argue that they are almost the same, when they are not).

Of course you are "guessing/betting" on one direction. You are doing it with 90% of your allocated funds on upside move!
In fact you are also doing it with the 10%.... Yes, you are reserving it in a bet on a possible downwards movement. Call it hedging, or whatever you want, but its also a guess/bet.... Otherwise you would be 100% on your feeling.

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Maybe an example might help?    This is not exactly my whole system, but it is the main part of my system.

An example? Well, maybe you think that guy is all out and if the price keeps rising he will keep forever out.... But he can change its mind if price keeps rising an additional 10% and now he thinks it will keep rising for sure. Yes, he will have lose a 10% profit, but again, you also did for not being all in. So both of you are on par on that.

In the end, I am just trying to say that we are all betting on up and down, no matter if you do with 100%, 90% or any other arbitrary percentage of funds. What is really important is that we don't do it with more than we can afford to lose/keep frozen for a long time.... if that happens, you are fucked big time.

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Let's say in my system, I begin trading with 10 coins, and BTC price are around $300, and I trade for 2 years with the same amount of coins and I use those proceeds from those trades to buy back.  For some reason, you would think that after 2 years, and reaching a 90% allocation, that once BTC prices reached $1,200 my system would cause me to have 9 coins and about $1,200?  Right?  But instead my system has allowed me to have 10 coins and $1,200 with the same amount of investment.  I don't know the math exactly, but for some reason, my system seems to have allowed me to maintain the same amount of coins and to stack dollars. 

Your system have been working for you because:

1) Mainly you have been almost all in, in a bull market.
2) YOu have been scalping, buying the dips and selling the spikes in a bull market.

If you would have been doing the same in a downtrend market you would feel very different about your system.

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Personally, with the betting 100% system, I really don't think that systematically a person could have as much confidence to have the similar kinds of consistent results if he was continuously betting 100% in one direction or another.  In my opinion, just seems to be too much reliance on luck and too much reliance that at one point or another, the bet is going to go wrong which in the end causes long term losses rather than gains.

Oh, you don't need to always be right with a 100% betting system. You just need to be right more than 50% of the bets. Again not much more different than any other system bassed on percentage of allocated funds to be in/out and hedge.
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