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5101  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 08, 2017, 12:32:47 AM
The next 12 hours are critical and this is like watching paint dry.

Ok, I have a question... WHO are those that have voted for Lauda? WHY? Do YOU not believe in FREE SPEECH?

I have nothing against Lauda, and his proposal for moderation is perfectly legit but... he/she/it/them has already stated that WO was full of garbage (and idiots) and considers borderline offtopic OPINIONS (such as of r0ach's) as "spam". I won't even mention his * opinion about casual altcoins talk or how * literally said that the best way to help would be entirely deleting the thread.

Is this really what YOU want?

Is it really what you want for your SONS?

THINK OF THE CHILDREN FOR GODS SAKE!!!







P.S.: Image of happy children of all continents and races inserted for full effect.
5102  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 07, 2017, 12:45:15 AM


To claim men and women are the same or equal is utterly hilarious when they're not remotely similar.  To know the mind of a woman is to know the mind of a prostitute. They're generally "takers" by nature, looking solely for an asymmetric relationship that favors themselves.  This is why men get along and women don't.  You can't have two prostitutes standing on the same street corner, it just doesn't work.  Two men can collaborate on building something together even in a zero sum game because they can work out a 50/50 split. Such a split is considered offensive to a woman.  Utilitarianism is a completely alien concept to them.  



WTF did I just read  Cheesy Cheesy ?

Do you actually believe this ?

That is some far out fubar shit brother!  Can't help but think you have been exposed to the wrong sorta women - or have been a doormat or been badly burnt by one/several/all of the women in your life?


He is actually right... 9 out of 10 women that I know... are exactly like he said! ... Women in their nature... because of the history context, of them being leverage for aliens, they where trade slaves or a commodity for us to bargain our existence on this planet with the invader alliens! Cheesy Cheesy
Their mentality is something similar to cats... because someone else needs to take care of them! Smiley
Because it is in their genetic matter to be a commodity, a good, a house pet! Cheesy Cheesy

WTF? That's some twisted bullshit. Very disgusting you think like that. Cats are *perfect genetic machines* that don't need anyone else to take care of them. They can tolerate it and even enjoy human interaction up to some degree though.
5103  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 06, 2017, 09:03:41 AM
wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).

I am kind of questioning whether we are going to be able to identify any particular moment with any kind of preciseness...


for example, a moment in which we are assured that segwit is locked in because there are likely going to be some insiders who know way ahead of time about the inevitability of the dynamics to cause the price to move upwardly long before the mere mortals come to the realization that it REALLY IS LOCKED in....

Maybe I am being too pessimistic? or buying too much into the disparity of information conspiracies?

I was closely following the Litecoin segwit signaling and activation process. Yes, there is a moment in which it will be clear that even if all of them stop signaling there are already enough signaled blocks to lock it at the end of the period. Of course, you can assume way sooner that locking won't be stopped with a 95-95% chance of being right.

I do expect that miners play a little with their hashrate/signaling as they did with Litecoin though. And as they are actually doing right now with Bitcoin (see coindance).

It will be a very fun and interesting process to watch (and trade) in real time.... and talk about it in our reopened WO Smiley

P.S.: Hopefully with an owner/moderator that allows references to altcoins for comparison (such as Litecoin in this specific case).
5104  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 06, 2017, 01:44:04 AM
wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!

...the what now?

edit: oh god, you mean the segwit2x deadline of august 1... right.

Yep... and UASF, and... years waiting for a single moment like that. (I hope everything will go smooth though).
5105  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 06, 2017, 01:34:21 AM
wait, why are we going nuts in a month? did i miss something huge, again?

Seriously? The HAPPENING!!!
5106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer: BTC/USD Price Tracking and Discussion 2.0 (Unmoderated) on: July 06, 2017, 12:28:19 AM
Go home, your kingdom of terror sucks!

I had to prepare you for the new policies ...


Congrats, genius!
You killed your own thriving thread.

I have to say that even if you have been slightly offensive to Meuh, any time I read those words "kingdom of terror" and come to my mind all those excessive rules about quotes, offtopic, pics size, and basically everything I ROFL! It's one of the most funny arguments I have seen in ages Smiley

5107  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 05, 2017, 11:50:26 PM
How do I change my vote? ... all this last minute politicking has changed my mind on suitability of the candidates.

Does empowering really have a connection with the monkey?


Actually, I believe that this time around you are unable to change your vote, once you have voted.

In the last vote, there was a button that gave an option to change the vote, but this time, I don't see any such button that allows changing. 

I think that Theymos must have set up the vote NOT to allow changing of your vote once it is cast - and it seems as if the only way to change that ability is to rerun the whole poll, which seems to be a very highly unlikely proposition, at this point.

I haven't seen the code, but most probably a single field change directly in the database could enable the "reset vote" button without losing current votes. Anyway, even if it is something Theymos could easily do, if he has chosen to structure the poll like this, then that's how it is.

5108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer: BTC/USD Price Tracking and Discussion 2.0 (Unmoderated) on: July 05, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
Now people think PMs have their monetary value "because my dad and my great Grandpa thought so

Like I told the Syscoin dev:


You do now enjoy tormenting poor shitcoin developers? I always though your hate was mainly against Bitcoin (and maybe jews too). Smiley
5109  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 05, 2017, 09:22:20 PM
Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime.

Maybe - but, my freind - my preferred candidates aren't winning Wink

And I ain't standing - so I want to see some mettle from those who are.   With the right mod, goodness and joy will reign.  With the wrong one, I lose my favourite thead. 

Sorry. It matters.

Yep, it matters. We all have some preferred candidates, that's ok. The best owner of WO would be someone that most of the time we wouldn't even notice he is doing his "job" while he is doing it perfectly.

Anyway,  I have finallly voted for: lightfoot (my initial choice), arklan, Erkalis, infofront (he is doing a great job on his forked WO) and empowering (this guy sounds like a great Adam's sucessor)... So I have some serious chances that my "preferred" candidate wins Smiley
5110  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 05, 2017, 09:04:26 PM
Can we post train pictures and stuff when our candidates go in the lead?

In a few days we will have WO again, maybe it is good to start recovering old habits in the meantime (or to do it for the last time in case Lauda wins the poll)
5111  Other / Meta / Re: Wall Observer new ownership on: July 05, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Oh, it looks like the the electoral campaign has already started. This is gonna be fun.

Lauda is in the lead atm? Who would have thought....  Shocked
5112  Economy / Speculation / Re: $10,000 per bitcoin on: July 05, 2017, 01:04:42 AM
I promise you if by the next month people avoid facking up the block chain and everything goes as planned, by the next halving or even before that price hits some where near $7500.
Now you could ask this, are you telling me if I simply buy some Bitcoins and just hold them for 2-3 more years I can get 3 times of my initial investment back just like that?
And I'd tell you that is correct, if it is hard to swallow then you should go and check the charts of price for 3 years ago and then compare them with the charts for 3 years before that, and stop whenever you see a price like $0.01 and just compare them all up to this day. your mind will explode.

No, it is not correct. You are talking about a SURE x3 in 2-3 years, while it is much more probable a POSSIBLE-BUT-NOT-SURE-AT-ALL x10 in that same period (or for next halving) with a certain risk (I hope minimal) that it just go down from current price or even crashes to almost zero.

It looks, similar, but it is way different. Main difference? If it was a SURE thing I would invest ALL I have into it. Everyone would do. Which btw, would make it much more than x3. But it isn't, it's far from a sure thing.

Also you are referring to past historic prices.... If you do so we would be talking of orders of magnitude higher increase in price.

Bitcoin -cryptocurrencies in general- is a VERY HIGH RISK investment. As such, the ROI can also be astronomical as it has happened until now.


5113  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 04, 2017, 09:30:40 AM
With all due respect, Lauda, are you trying to boycott the reopening of WO or are you really like that?
I don't think I've voted (the poll ended before I did), but I am in favor of option one (and I think I have actually suggested it in the past, somewhere, to someone). What seems to be the issue?

Maybe I was wrong in my feeling.

No, you didn't vote, but its your right not to do it, that's irrelevant.

The "issue" is that you expressed a lot of concerns that have already been addressed in this same thread. Some of them by theymos himself. Others are not that clear but there's no need to create a controversy over them unless there's some real justification.

An "election committee" does not vote/elect the winner but just supervise the process of the election, we would probably don't need that if we just hand the list of candidates to theymos and he runs the poll (making theymos some sort of election comitte himself). That's the better way to legitimize the process without unnecesary delays.

Unless Theymos states otherwise all users except newbies will vote, same as they did for current poll about the future of the thread. He has already stated that any restriction over who could post on the thread is not technically possible at the moment without creating a new section for it. So that's not on the table.

Also there's absolutely no problem in any candidate voting for himself (in fact it would be somewhat logical and advisable) or for anyone else for the lulz. Or not voting altogether.

He has also stated that we will have to chose ONE owner and that it is not technically possible to have additional moderators for the thread.


5114  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 04, 2017, 08:34:26 AM
With all due respect, Lauda, are you trying to boycott the reopening of WO or are you really like that?
5115  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 04, 2017, 01:19:43 AM
Noon then. There's plenty of time for whomever cares about WO and wants to also step up.

I am not sure if it should be a one or a multiple-choice poll, nor if the results should be public during (current results) / after (who voted which choice) the election or not.

Unless someone has some strong opinion about this that he want to express, I guess we could leave that details up to Theymos.
5116  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 04, 2017, 12:41:23 AM
We have now a pretty nice set of candidates for new owner of WO. And theymos has already said that as soon as one is elected/designed he will unlock the thread.

I don't see any reason to extend the resolution farther than this week. We could give until wednesday to see if there are any more candidates or withdrawals (though it would be better there isn't more of the latter or we risk drying out of candidates and having to start from scratch) then ask Theymos to run the poll from wednesday to sunday... and we will all be happy hodlers of classic WO again before next week Smiley

TL;DR: Let's get back WO asap.
5117  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 03, 2017, 02:21:26 AM
I was being ironic (see the "Now seriously..." part). I have already stated I am against that sort of restriction. The only one that I would think reasonable is restricting *newbie* accounts... and even that is not something I really like.

The history of WO attacks are based on newbie accounts that were getting created by a VERY well-resourced entity. They were able to create up to 10 (or more) newbie accounts daily from seperate IP addresses that would spam the board and WO thread especially with pedophilia referenced posts, old-man porn, alt-coin discussion (mostly ETH) and other crap just to intentionally crap up the place and discourage new bitcoiners from reading useful information about pricing expectations.

The solution to that attack was to ping the newbie accounts for the Off-topic posts and then ban those accounts from the forum. They kept creating new accounts from separate IP addresses (do you know how much that costs?) and attacking WO ... you can ask Lauda who was moderating at the time to verify these facts.

Then when the Off-topic defence eventually proved effective then the attackers are now bashing the Off-Topic button to get regular users posts deleted, posts which are not disruptive or turn the place into a dump. Now the Off-Topic defence is getting attacked and the forum moderators are sick of defending those attacks we find ourselves locked out of WO (and arguing against potentially the same attackers trying to keep newbies disruption possibilities, disrupt this discussion and shut down the thread altogether).

I know where you are going. I remember those attacks, in fact I wasn't participating in WO at that time because it was a mess with all those "flooding posts" and the like. I don't care scrolling down a posts that I am uninterested in, but it was a pain having to scroll FULL PAGES full of ascii spam or whatever.

If that's what you want to prevent it would probably be enough with restricting *newbie* (the rank) accounts from posting. Creating new accounts from different IP's is cheap as fuck (more so when this board accepts TOR so you don't even need your own proxies)... farming their activity to even become Jr Member is expensive.

Also, I don't remember seeing that sort of attack (on a considerable scale) for.. maybe since a year ago?

I don't think you stop much more of that attack by also restricting Jr Member, Members, or Full members. And for the few ones that could happen, banning would do wonders (and it's more costly for the attacker).

Any restriction over "newbie" account seems overkill and unjustified to me. Maybe I am wrong.



5118  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 03, 2017, 01:48:40 AM
Have anyone realised that Hero's and Legendary's have achieved that rank for being "prolific" posters?

Wouldn't it be better to do it based on account creation? Something like you can't post to WO if you haven't been registered in the forum for at least 3 or 4 years.

Now seriously... Theymos has already stated that signatures won't show up on WO and that, just maybe, the post count won't increase. Isn't that enough to stop most of the nonsense posts? No signature campaign earning nor activity farming should do wonders.

I would understand newbie accounts not being able to post as they would only need a couple of weeks to achieve the rank and it avoids someone just creating new accounts on the go to keep spamming the thread. Other than that seems too much a restriction to me... but if that's what most people want, why not?

I am not gonna cry for that Smiley


Because your account is pretty old and it won't affect you!
But came into Bitcoin last year and I've been participating in this thread almost DAILY! That is such a source of information, the same way I've been adding some REAL WALL OBSERVATIONS to debate. Is it fair to rip off people like me, who are SERIOUSLY coming to Bitcoin recently? How is it contributing to our so dreamed S-curve of adoption? Do you really want to turn my retirement savings into an "ONLY-THE-OLD-COMRADES" club?

I was being ironic (see the "Now seriously..." part) because I find this discussion completely absurd. I have already stated I am against that sort of restriction. The only one that I would think reasonable is restricting *newbie* accounts from posting... and even that is not something I really like.
5119  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 03, 2017, 01:36:49 AM
Have anyone realised that Hero's and Legendary's have achieved that rank for being "prolific" posters?

Wouldn't it be better to do it based on account creation? Something like you can't post to WO if you haven't been registered in the forum for at least 3 or 4 years.

Now seriously... Theymos has already stated that signatures won't show up on WO and that, just maybe, the post count won't increase. Isn't that enough to stop most of the nonsense posts? No signature campaign earning nor activity farming should do wonders.

I would understand newbie accounts not being able to post as they would only need a couple of weeks to achieve the rank and it avoids someone just creating new accounts on the go to keep spamming the thread. Other than that seems too much a restriction to me... but if that's what most people want, why not?

I am not gonna cry for that Smiley
5120  Other / Meta / Re: What to do with the wall observer thread? on: July 03, 2017, 12:18:50 AM
I think two relatively simple rules will eliminate a lot of the chaff and spam without impacting the 'sensible off-topicness':

1) you need to be Hero or Legendary member to post in WO

2) posts in WO do not add to a posters Activity Count

(... bla bla bla elite supremacist bullshit)

NO!
I'm a full member participating in WO since I was a Newbie and it's been the thread I've most participated, asked and responded in this whole forum.
Turn it in a closed elite club is throwing away A LOT of people who can aggregate. Just to be clear, the guy who's compiling the list and helping most is bitserve, another Full Member just like me.


Quite frankly I don't agree with you and bitserve appointing yourselves somehow as 'moderator selectors' or 'moderator selection process deciders' or whatever you want to call the bullshit elitist process bullies and gatekeepers you have self-appointed yourselves as ...  that really seems like elitist bullshit to me.

So piss off newbie and take your offensive response attitude with you.

I am not quite sure where your angriness come from, but let's just clarify that I haven't appointed anything myself.

I have just tried the get the ball rolling on the list compilation and nothing else. Anyone can (and should) update the list themselves. You have a strange sense of what is decision power or elitist bullshit.

It's just a list of people that have expressed their willingness to help with the moderation of the thread. That's all about it. Geez.
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