How is it even possible that BU has got 50% if all the people on this forum hate it? Are the miners those 50% or do i miss a whole lot of BU supporters?
They do not. BU has 38.6% vs SegWit 28.2% see https://coin.dance/blocks ah thanks! But what happens if we just stay with CORE and dont use BU nor SegWit? Would the price stagnate because of no scaling solution found? BU=Inmediate price down (less than half) Segwit=Inmediate price UP (maybe double) Nothing=Stagnation with long term downtrend Just my opinion.... |
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Hey guys  Is it save now to keep BTC on blockchain info and what happens with it after fork Just make sure you have your keys. Blockchain.info lets you access them. Do it and keep them somewhere safe  ok ty  crazy stuff is going on with this unlimited bitcoin  Maybe I am very wrong, but I think that any minute ANTMINER could stop signaling for BU. Or maybe in some days. But I think it have to happen. |
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Now if Jihan BU would find a plausible reason to change its mind and begin signaling for Segwit, the price would skyrocket. That's the wise bet and a win-win for everyone.
and just maybe one of the causes of all of this madness is the retraction of the 2mb hard fork agreement from that hong kong meeting by core/ not core. if that was in the bag maybe he'd be signalling segwit right now, but it's too late to know what's true and what isn't regarding that agreement it's been spun so many times. Yes, and if core broke (which I don't really know for sure) the agreement about the 2MB hard fork I can understand Jihan BU rage. But he is wrong in how he has dealt with the situation: Bitcoin PoW was originally intended as a mean of decentralization, but things (and developments) have gone the exact oppossite. Now PoW is a source of centralization in the hands of a few. That's how things have evolved... and it wouldn't be a problem if we could trust miners would wisely use that power. Yes, we need/want to trust miners, but latest events have shown a scary scenario in which we fear miners. That needs to come to an end, because, again, we really need/want to trust them for Bitcoin to keep growing. Let's hope Jihan BU realizes the importance of TRUST and the consecuences of his actions. Blocksize increase will probably happen in the future. But first comes first, and that is Segwit. Why? Because it doesn't need a FUCKING HF, because a HF should only be done with the utmost consense and not on threats or dividing the community, and because if we think long term either Bitcoin will have a HUGE LOT of transactions in the future or none at all.... and you can only have so many transactions with L2 not with any linear blocksize increase. And L2, when in full working state, will NEED a blocksize increase (for opening/closing channels), and when that happens there will be no division in asking for it. Everybody will support/demand the blocksize increase. And if CORE doesn't provide, then they will be the ones that will be left alone the same as its happenning now with BU nonsense. |
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Isn't a fork very unlikely? The ones in control of such fork should've figured out the uncertainty and bad press involved with such an event. In the end we all want bitcoin to succeed. I call price manipulation at its finest. When the whales have bought back in, the scaling debate will pass.
The contentious hard fork is much more unlikely with each of latest events: - BU code is now publicly considered as buggy and untrustable. - Some of previously BU supporters such as Charlie Shrem now recognise BU is not at all ready for prime time and advocate for Segwit asap. - Jihan BU seems to be softening its position. - Roger BUr is full of shit, as it has always been, so no news here. - All the cards have been laid on the table, and it is now very obvious a contentious hard fork would benefit noone. - If the (contentious) hard fork would happen everybody would blame miners of the consequences. Not only Jihan BU/Antminer would be finished, but it would also be the end of PoW in the way we know it. It's not wise to associate own fate with such a risky bet, but thats exactly what they have done. Now if Jihan BU would find a plausible reason to change its mind and begin signaling for Segwit, the price would skyrocket. That's the wise bet and a win-win for everyone. Many people have sold all or part of his stash in fears of the fork and surprisingly the price has remained over $1000. The FOMO that would be unleashed if a consensus towards Segwit (with no HF) happens would be unprecedented. Maybe $2000 overnight? |
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https://coin.dance/nodes/unlimitedNot sure if it is because of the exploit or if they have finally came back to their senses and stopped running that shit. I would be very scared to be running such exploitable software inside my network with port open to the internet. They have ballz though. Hey, do you think that Roger/Jihan colluded and made up this fork FUD crap just to push a bunch of unsuspecting n00bs towards their altcoins??? Naw, couldn't be.... Most probably. At least I would have a better opinion on him, instead of just thinking he's simply insane. Not for me, it's the opposite. It means that deep down he is truly a malicious actor, as opposed to just being a passionate idiot. Man, that whole 'Bitcoin Jesus' thing has really gone to his head. It's the "Beware of false prophets" thing that the Bible speaks of. He is like a living, breathing example. "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves."What I mean is that I have worse opinion about INSANE people than about malicious actors. I prefer to cope with malice than with insanity. It's all a bit more reasonable and logical. Not that I mean that makes him a good person. Insane people are also much more dangerous. You never know what to expect from them. How do you tell the difference? Is malice not insane all on its own? I have had to google the exact meaning of "malice" (I am Spanish)... It's not exactly what I thought. If he just want to make harm, then yes, some sort of insanity. I thought "malice" meant acting in he's own benefit without caring if it harms or using anyone else... which would be greed but not insanity. If malice means harming others as an objective instead of a means, then I was wrong. |
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https://coin.dance/nodes/unlimitedNot sure if it is because of the exploit or if they have finally came back to their senses and stopped running that shit. I would be very scared to be running such exploitable software inside my network with port open to the internet. They have ballz though. Hey, do you think that Roger/Jihan colluded and made up this fork FUD crap just to push a bunch of unsuspecting n00bs towards their altcoins??? Naw, couldn't be.... Most probably. At least I would have a better opinion on him, instead of just thinking he's simply insane. Not for me, it's the opposite. It means that deep down he is truly a malicious actor, as opposed to just being a passionate idiot. Man, that whole 'Bitcoin Jesus' thing has really gone to his head. It's the "Beware of false prophets" thing that the Bible speaks of. He is like a living, breathing example. "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves."What I mean is that I have worse opinion about INSANE people than about malicious actors. I prefer to cope with malice than with insanity. It's all a bit more reasonable and logical. Not that I mean that makes him a good person. Insane people are also much more dangerous. You never know what to expect from them. |
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my node crashed It's cool, just grab the closed source patch. /sarcasm Or he could just apply this diff that the uber coders of BU leaked inadvertently whilst releasing a binary only patch: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/311815049/bitcoinunlimited_1.0.1.1-yakkety_1.0.1.2-yakkety.diff.gz+Main Changes +------------ + +Changes are as follows: + +- Fix unwanted assertion Sending an invalid GET_XTHIN is a serious misbehavior and any node doing so will be DOS100 banned immediately. Also sending a GET_XTHIN with an invalid message type will also cause the sendder to be banned. This bug cause the node to crash. +- Fix pruning when syncing a chain for the first time. iWhen syncing a chain with pruning enabled there are at times new blocks arriving which make the nLastHeight equal to the tip of the blockchain, however this prevents block files from being removed during pruning. By not downloading new blocks until the chain no longer in IsInitialDownload() the issue is prevented. |
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my node crashed Again. Why don't you just run a CORE node modified to signal for BU? It would be much more safe for you and still make your point. I bet that's what are doing the 200 or so nodes that didn't crash |
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The President of Buttcoin has declared DEFCON 1. No more source code until new notice. To all the node operators: Please resist at all costs, and run this trusted binary with faith. Roger Bur bless us.
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https://coin.dance/nodes/unlimitedNot sure if it is because of the exploit or if they have finally came back to their senses and stopped running that shit. I would be very scared to be running such exploitable software inside my network with port open to the internet. They have ballz though. Hey, do you think that Roger/Jihan colluded and made up this fork FUD crap just to push a bunch of unsuspecting n00bs towards their altcoins??? Naw, couldn't be.... Most probably. At least I would have a better opinion on him, instead of just thinking he's simply insane. |
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This is even funnier. What sort of devs do they have? Haven't they ever heard about bindiffing? They are just making it easier to exploit acting that way. |
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https://coin.dance/nodes/unlimitedNot sure if it is because of the exploit or if they have finally came back to their senses and stopped running that shit. I would be very scared to be running such exploitable software inside my network with port open to the internet. They have ballz though.
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Who the fuck are they kidding? BTU would crash so badly the first day it wouldn't be even funny. It would be cringe-worthy.
I sure hope Ver fucks off soonish. If he ruined himself then so much the better, but as long as he stays away I don't give a fuck.
You only have to see the trivial bugs that have been exploited already. Just obvious asserts with no RCE possible. And even though not many people has already interest in analizing the BU code, I am sure that there is already ppl with real RCE's just waiting for the time in which MONEY could already be made. BU is doomed already. Let's just allow Roger BUr share its fate as that's what he has publicly chosen. |
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Anyway, fuck that.. if 20K BTC is all Roger BUr has got, there's not much more to see here. Let's Move on as usual.
If we assume he has a large hand in the Dash pump, I think it's also safe to say he can get his hands on an awful lot of that knackered old BTC if he's a little short right now. Yes. I am sure he may have a pretty large stash in ALTCOINS, worth maybe those hundred of thousands of BTC mentioned in the past, maybe he even doubled its value during the last pump of dash, but... He would need to dump those altcoins (crashing them) and rebuy BTC (pumping it) before being able to dump. Zero sum game. He could short BTC with FIAT/ALTCOINS but.... leveraged positions are the worst place to be before a hardfork. |
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Maybe Loaded would be so kind to also vote on that poll No, don't do that. Bitcoin.com is not a trustworthy site to give any identifying information. If I had voted myself the poll would look different as well. Ver is all talk. You are right. Didn't even notice it was his own domain. |
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Maybe Loaded would be so kind to also vote on that poll Anyway, fuck that.. if 20K BTC is all Roger BUr has got, there's not much more to see here. Let's Move on as usual. |
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Maybe Loaded would be so kind to also vote on that poll |
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lulz ... Unloaded on ver, roger is under such a deep pile he doesn't know in which direction to begin digging. We don't even have any confirmation that Roger BUr still have any sustantial ammount of BTC. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. It could already be most of it in ALTCOINS/FIAT. Btw... Another BU crash from remote bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/60qmqe/bitcoin_unlimited_nodes_are_being_knocked_offline/All the shit that is raining over BU looks very bullish for BTC. Now lets just have some consensus on Segwit (with or without an additional blocksize increase) and head to the moon. |
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Almost 1100$.  Good recovery. Only $250 more to go |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60gem4/jihan_wus_latest_weibo_post_looks_like_an_offer/Jihan willing to talk is a GREAT sign! I really believe once he folds the scaling debate will start coming to a conclusion. The fact that he admits that he finds 2nd layer solutions a threat is telling, but he will realize that he cannot force the rest of the community to hold back on achievements to benefit the miners. A prosperous $2K+ bitcoin is much better for him than half a bitcoin with less users Paradoxically, in the long-long run (20yr horizon), nobody will care about l2 solutions as l1 capabilities will be more than adequate to satisfy the volume of direct txs (except if we have unforseen spikes in kbytes per tx, like quantumproof signatures). L2 solutions are only* needed in the short and mid term, as block sizes can't grow too big right now without centralizing bitcoin, yet txs/sec must increase. * L2 solutions might also be needed for adding more functionality, beyond txs. 20 years is too much of a long term... It's pointless we even speculate on that. But 3-5 years from now, L2 will be everywhere because it's the only way to make Bitcoin a real payment system. Not only because of number of transactions, but because we can have inmediate transactions via L2 instead of 10 min delay of L1. Either we will have L2 in place soon (max 1 or 2 years from now) or Bitcoin adoption as payment system is not going to happen. What Jihan BU should do is stop whining and work towards the future of Bitcoin. He (and other BIG miners) are in a privileged position to also get a good piece of the L2 cake. That way he can profit of both L1 and L2. I don't have any problem in him also profiting from that. But he should move his lazy ass and start a new venture towards setting up an L2 hub (which might even be a big joint venture of chinese miners). |
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