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161  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2015, 11:02:55 PM
Damn I can't survive in a sideways market.

Where did all the traders go? Sad

It's pretty rough out there. Lots of chop, lots of accumulation, lots of leverage on both sides. Poop and scoops left and right. Maybe try trading on a higher timeframe. Also don't get sucked into quick moves either way, there's usually a better entry point if you wait.

"When you want to bet the house, hands off the mouse."
162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2015, 09:01:52 PM
Only 1 dump from 1 person pretty much no?
No,

That's just how many parties were involved in the sharp spike down on BFX.. not including any of the other dumps in the previous hour.

what does that prove?

A bunch of stops were hit right below $230. Finex groups them together into large market sells. The 267 sell @ $229.01 and 1025 sell @ $229.44 may have been the bulk (some panic sellers mixed in there too probably). But you can see how the buy walls immediately moved up after that to stop the selloff. A few large buys happened down there as well.
163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2015, 07:47:29 PM
Dumpdy dump

Absorb absorb absorb
164  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 18, 2015, 07:44:57 PM
any thoughts on this elongated flat sideways boring trend?

I posted this before in the Wall Observer thread, but it bears repeating.

Dow Theory

Quote
Primary Bull Market - Stage 1 - Accumulation

Hamilton noted that the first stage of a bull market was largely indistinguishable from the last reaction rally of a bear market. Pessimism, which was excessive at the end of the bear market, still reigns at the beginning of a bull market. It is a period when the public is out of stocks, the news from corporate America is bad and valuations are usually at historical lows. However, it is at this stage that the so-called “smart money” begins to accumulate stocks. This is the stage of the market when those with patience see value in owning stocks for the long haul. Stocks are cheap, but nobody seems to want them. This is the stage where Warren Buffet stated in the summer of 1974 that now was the time to buy stocks and become rich. Everyone else thought he was crazy.

In the first stage of a bull market, stocks begin to find a bottom and quietly firm up. When the market starts to rise, there is widespread disbelief that a bull market has begun. After the first leg peaks and starts to head back down, the bears come out proclaiming that the bear market is not over. It is at this stage that careful analysis is warranted to determine if the decline is a secondary movement (a correction of the first leg up). If it is a secondary move, then the low forms above the previous low, a quiet period will ensue as the market firms and then an advance will begin. When the previous peak is surpassed, the beginning of the second leg and a primary bull will be confirmed.
165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 17, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
Dow Theory

Quote
Primary Bull Market - Stage 1 - Accumulation

Hamilton noted that the first stage of a bull market was largely indistinguishable from the last reaction rally of a bear market. Pessimism, which was excessive at the end of the bear market, still reigns at the beginning of a bull market. It is a period when the public is out of stocks, the news from corporate America is bad and valuations are usually at historical lows. However, it is at this stage that the so-called “smart money” begins to accumulate stocks. This is the stage of the market when those with patience see value in owning stocks for the long haul. Stocks are cheap, but nobody seems to want them. This is the stage where Warren Buffet stated in the summer of 1974 that now was the time to buy stocks and become rich. Everyone else thought he was crazy.

In the first stage of a bull market, stocks begin to find a bottom and quietly firm up. When the market starts to rise, there is widespread disbelief that a bull market has begun. After the first leg peaks and starts to head back down, the bears come out proclaiming that the bear market is not over. It is at this stage that careful analysis is warranted to determine if the decline is a secondary movement (a correction of the first leg up). If it is a secondary move, then the low forms above the previous low, a quiet period will ensue as the market firms and then an advance will begin. When the previous peak is surpassed, the beginning of the second leg and a primary bull will be confirmed.
166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 17, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
How much does it cost to dox someone?

I'm in. Let's start a fund.
167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
That's it, show's over folks ... you've had your $2.5 range for today and if you didn't get rich you're doin it wrong  Grin

The boring price range is incredibly dull this weekend. Most of the time there are only a few hundred Bitcoins traded every half hour on Bitfinex, and sometimes there's almost no trading at all. I expected automated bots to keep on micro trading when everyone else stopped, but even the bots seem to have stopped.

Volume has been quite low since the correction of the ride to $300 ended. Not much selling but not a lot of buying either. Everyone's waiting, waiting waiting. From a market making perspective, this would be a great time to pump... market with most speculative selling removed + multiple failed dumps + great news on all fronts. Everyone's waiting on the ETN news. But the potential is there.
168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wake up, Bitcoiners ! on: May 15, 2015, 08:51:20 PM
Ok I'm out. 20x leverage short.

Pack it up boys, it's been fun.
169  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 14, 2015, 11:17:36 PM
The above is true in general, however professional interests mostly suck at investment, i am sorry to say.
Statistics shows that avergage hedge fund manager return in 2014 was one percent according to Goldman Sachs Hedge fund Trend Monitor vs 13.7% for S&P500.
86% of active fund managers underperformed benchmarks in 2014 and 89% of them underperformed in the last 5 years.
In other words, avoid investment in active funds-they suck in ~90% cases long term (even before their unjustified fees).
I don't see how bitcoin traders can be any better, sorry.

The pros I'm talking about trade as part of syndicates, or operate independently as part of interconnected rings. They are above hedge fund managers in the trader hierarchy.
170  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 14, 2015, 10:38:41 PM
Bassclef, in your opinion does a bottom need to be put in with a under $100 washout?

No, there are simply too many lined up to buy. Bears want these prices about as bad as bulls wanted $10k in November 2013, which means it probably won't happen. Bad news would be needed to orchestrate it and give people a reason to sell. Obviously it's the opposite lately. $166 could have been it. But never say never, who knows if a crazy bear will short 30,000 bitcoins again George Soros style.

The end of a bear market typically occurs at a massive selling climax on really high volume. But the market doesn't turn right away--an accumulation zone forms for a few months as traders build big positions and trade the highs and lows of the range, which is what I have been doing since January. This area of the market cycle is akin to the "estate sale" if I'm continuing with the antique dealer analogy. If we start turning strong bull going into the summer and cross the 30 week MA on high volume, it will be very bullish for breaking out of the $200-300 range. Otherwise the rallies are liable to fail prematurely and the price will simply be rangebound, and one should limit his or her outlook to prices between strong support and resistance points, currently $210 and $310.
171  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 14, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
bruh...

As others already said, total volume is not "how many coins were dumped". And definitely not "how many coins were dumped by the evil ugly manipulator"
"The only reason for big orderly market sells" is because we are in a ... ehm... market. Why did we dump? Simply because price was being cornered and had to decide with a breakout or a breakdown. Market was weak and not conviced with a move up so it didn't break to the upside. A lot of people trading BTC saw that obvious breakdown and sold some BTCs, as it was rational to do.

Can we please stop seeing the bid side as HODLERS and the ask side as the "manipulators"? That's not how markets work.
Can we please throw away this myth that "bears don't have coins to dump anymore"?
People who buy or have bids can dump at any moment. People who sell or have asks can rebuy at any moment.
This is the nature of the market. Dumping doesn't mean manipulation, it means that at present there was no strength to the upside or that support needed to be tested, so breakdowns happen instead of breakouts.

I trade these markets as a business so let's not mince words. I know what volume is Wink

The market is manipulated from both sides in the sense that when the biggest moneyed interests take position, the price moves and others follow. I don't think we disagree on that--it's how a market is made. Their moves, however, are often designed to separate amateurs from their money. That is a fact if you have any experience in markets outside of Bitcoin. It is not a conspiracy, it is a business. And if you think that doesn't happen in such an easy market to take control of, I've got news for you. This is apart from organic buying and selling from the public, which actually happens less often than you might think.

Market tests are a very real thing--the difference is that before an upmove, they happen to the downside. Before a downmove, they happen to the upside... USUALLY. Afterwards the market will generally revert to its medium or longer-term trend. The reason is this: If the pervading forces of supply/demand have been pushed far enough out of alignment, usually happening at tops and bottoms, it is difficult to move the market against the natural direction no matter how much of the stock you sell or buy. At market tops, ease-of-movement is down. At bottoms, it is up. This why markets move in waves and cycles. I think some trading groups don't understand this, but they will when they lose money trying to trade against prevailing forces, or the "trade winds" as it were. Once enough traders feel this wind on a very long timeline, the bear market comes to a close, first gradually and then quickly and violently. Trading short at the potential bottom of a bear market is simply putting oneself at too much risk.

Interests are collecting coins while sentiment is low in the same way antiques dealers buy junk from estate sales when nobody else wants it, refinish it and sell at a profit. It's the same way that real estate investors buy land when nobody else is interested--to profit from future sale of this land. Of course the buying parties are going to downplay its importance to their friends and the media and keep things as secretive as possible for more profit. The public (who generally don't think independently and wait for "experts" to tell them what to do) will parrot this negative sentiment and do the opposite of what they should be doing: buying with the professional interests. The last thing they want is for the public to know what they're doing and how much money they will make. It is the same business model in the markets: professional interests are selling to the public during euphoric market tops (distribution) the same stock they bought from the same panicky public at the bottom (accumulation). This happens over and over and over again, yet human fear makes it difficult to recognize and act on the opportunity when it's staring you in the face.
172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Huge market sells = manipulation, huge market buys = legit rally mode.

High volume pushing price down = so many coins to push the price 5,00$ down, that's bullish!
High volume pumping the price up = such demand, that's bullish!

Furthermore there only exists accumulation, have you ever seen any distribution with Bitcoin?!

*sigh*

Yeah big distribution area after $1200 top.

And pumping the price is manipulation too. Works both ways.
173  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 14, 2015, 07:55:28 AM
what is the next target if the end f the bear trend really proves to be true?

I don't have a target but I regard bitcoin as undervalued. Particularly in the event that stock market eventually crashes (which it will), soverign debt failures, bank failures, more bailouts, more QE, as fiat continues a death spiral. Bitcoin, Gold and Silver will all benefit hugely. Stck up now while its cheap.

I'm in agreement. The guys dumping now are just interested in scaring the market and running stops, etc., to increase their own stash. This has been occurring for months and months but will not work indefinitely.

Remind me, how does market selling 4000 coins on bitfenix increase your own stash?

In the best case, it raises near $1 mil USD which may or may not be used on the exchange again.

Well limit selling would raise a lot more with no slippage, so one wonders why they wouldn't do that if they need to raise fiat.

The only reason for big, orderly market sells is manipulation to lower the price, which means shorting, which means covering those shorts at some point by buying back in. Or they could be taking a big loss each time, who knows. Seems silly if that's the case.
174  Economy / Speculation / Re: End of the Bear Trend on: May 14, 2015, 07:39:03 AM
what is the next target if the end f the bear trend really proves to be true?

I don't have a target but I regard bitcoin as undervalued. Particularly in the event that stock market eventually crashes (which it will), soverign debt failures, bank failures, more bailouts, more QE, as fiat continues a death spiral. Bitcoin, Gold and Silver will all benefit hugely. Stck up now while its cheap.

I'm in agreement. The guys dumping now are just interested in scaring the market and running stops, etc., to increase their own stash. This has been occurring for months and months but will not work indefinitely.
175  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 13, 2015, 07:26:25 PM
The remaining bears are getting frothy over on finex. I wonder how long it will take before they realize most of their friends have gone home.
176  Economy / Speculation / Re: More huge news on: May 12, 2015, 06:24:45 PM

Never again? You haven't been around long enough. Things are just getting started Wink
177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 11, 2015, 10:24:45 PM
The fact that you've been here this long, and are short right now, means you probably never knew what you were doing and actually made very little profits or lost everything. OR, you just are saying you are short to get others to short, so you can pick up cheap coins, and are smarter than we think you actually are.

Being short 80% from all time highs is the riskier trade. That's why not very many people are doing it now. There's an off-chance that we'll see $200 again, but taking risks like that is how you blow up your trading account.
178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: May 11, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
One question for traders, not analysts.

Lets say you open a long position, buying at 1500, with a target at 1600 in 5 days and a stop loss at 1450. After 2 days, price is at 1550. Is it a good thing to move up your stop loss, e.g. at 1500, or you don't touch it until target is reached or the 5 days are done ?

Traders are analysts too Wink

Ideally you'd move your stop to breakeven. In reality Bitcoin is such a choppy market that stops in obvious places will probably get hit unless the trend is super strong in one direction. Just pay attention as most stop-hunting takes place on relatively low volume and use discretion.

Once your target is hit you can move the stop up closer to the price and let it take you out (or use a trailing stop), that way you can take advantage of any additional price rises.
179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Critical Levels - EW analysis on: May 11, 2015, 06:30:15 PM

Giving your money to the market because of what an anonymous analyst says is a bad idea. If they were making such consistently great predictions they'd have no need to post their "trading ideas." What they want is to create a following so their own trades have a greater chance of being profitable. Even if they are wrong sometimes, it's likely that they can get out of a bad trade faster than you, leaving their followers stuck on the wrong side of the market.

Don't be a minnow--learn to read the market on your own or you'll lose when one of these trusted chartists turns out to be wrong.


This is totally wrong. No analyst can make money running such a ponzi scheme. The market is so much bigger than that. The whole basis of EW analysis is that the crowd gets emotional sometimes. They make the mistake and then we make the trade, not vice versa.

I make money trading, and I dont need to post anything, but I continue to post my charts. Its a way to log my trades and I enjoy sharing.

Its difficult to make money with even the best analysis, thats basic knowledge, you have to be a good trader, you have to be in control, and you have to be able to think for yourself, on your feet.

I hear you and I do appreciate your analysis. I make money too. It's just that a)bitcoin is a very thinly traded market with a handful of interests doing the heavy lifting and b)there are a lot of green traders trying to keep their heads above water. The I think it's probably not so hard for the big whales to keep an eye on the most popular and influential technicians' work from a perspective that they look for every opportunity to better their positions. Making money in markets is a serious business. I do enjoy helping people out but there is that inherent risk of making certain information public which is why I do not share most of my analysis. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.

It seems like every time the market moves there is a new crop of traders hungry for information but provided with a lot of misdirection. The basics of money and risk management are not obvious to them and the market is quick to take their money. Trading is so much more than simply going short or long at xyz price. Technicians are quick to talk their book but short on information about how they keep from losing their profits. This is what I'd like to see taught. Unfortunately crowd behavior is prevalent and I fear it would be a futile endeavor for all but a small number of traders. People just don't want to put in the work. But keep on keepin' on, I do enjoy learning about EW as I'm more of a price/volume guy.
180  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: May 11, 2015, 06:06:41 PM
I've been watching the MACD centerline crossover as well. Historically it has been a good confirmation of trend continuation.

more importantly, it's a long term momentum indicator much less susceptible to manipulation.

Next hurdle is the 200 day / 30 week MA. That's a biggie for the pro technical traders out there.
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