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241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2015, 05:04:54 PM

If you cannot see what suddenly allowing the vast sea of investment capital (multi trillion dollar pool) access to btc could potentially do to the price then I can't help you. Just fifty million USD would smash the price into the stratosphere.

Big picture remains that bitcoin is an excellent assymetric financial bet to speculate upon. Why do you think all the trolls and bears are really here?

Good point that a paper BTC derivitave (like GBTC and COIN) will attract a small but significant sum of money from investors who want to hedge against recessions and market/currency/economic crises. It's yet another tool for portfolio management.

This fact alone puts it on the radar for Wall Street, who make money selling these investment instruments to the public. They have undoubtedly "helped" the bear market due to the fact that there are so many green traders who are easy to shake out.

Think about this: Hedge funds aren't allowed to buy bull markets--in fact this is a great way to lose your job of you work for one--instead they buy down markets. When they buy, they buy low and they make sure to not mark the price up. Why would they make you rich at their expense? If the $200 level holds it's good evidence that these prices are "low" to whomever seeks to build a position in Bitcoin, and they hope to revisit higher price levels in the future.

Seeing how twitchy and hungry for good news this market is, watch everyone fat finger the margin buy button if GBTC begins trading at any price above spot.
242  Economy / Speculation / Re: They want to buy 5000 BTC for 350$ each! on: April 28, 2015, 04:34:18 PM
Fair deal. Only thing I do not understand is why they don't buy on bitfinex. There are 5000 btc offered between $220 and $240.

I guess, they are big investors and they don't trust Bitfinex with such large amounts after the Mt.Gox-thing.

These guys want the paper Bitcoin derivitave which is what GBTC is. They want to make money by being liquidity providers of this paper by selling it to their existing customers and any new investors who desire safe (ie regulated) Bitcoin price exposure in their investment portfolios. But they need to buy it first which is what we are seeing here.
243  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2015, 10:19:31 PM
Possible front running of GBTC trading?

How would that work? I still don't see how one would bleed into the other?

Like someone has insider info about institutional demand of GBTC and bought up all the cheap coins for themselves.
244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2015, 10:12:52 PM
Possible front running of GBTC trading?
245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2015, 10:03:33 PM
Crazy BTCe pump. Old school, I like it.
246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
russian bitcoin ban hammer getting closer.

just look how fast profits are leaving btc-e.

soon™.

They are desperate to get out, must have some inside knowledge.
The withdrawn coins will probably be distributed and slightly increase asks / seller pressure on other exchanges.

That's what I'm thinking. Someone wants out today, not tomorrow.
247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2015, 10:55:40 PM
Quite a huge amount of bids at $225, I guess some people are eager to grab some coins and hope for a dump into their wall. Why isn't the price crashing already? I really would have expected it to go down massively after returning to these levels...
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Failure to get above the 30d MA line during the last two rallies is a pretty good indication that the downtrend from $300 still has steam left and will probably test the 78.6 fib level. That's the lowest Fibonacci point, the "line in the sand" if you will. If we break it, watch out. Volume is low as the trading range from January to now is working itself out to completion (to be expected), so it wouldn't be difficult to achieve some panic.

To start the bull engine we either need more demand or liquidate until fewer people hold a larger amount of coins (bought from panic sellers) to reduce supply. A final big shakeout of early adopters and miners below $200 would clear the way for a big bull move.
248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2015, 05:12:30 AM
what is a "fake" pump?  Over 200 bitcoins were consistently purchased per minute for 15 minutes, for the second half it consistently came up against buy walls, though I guess I don't know who set up the buy walls.  Do you mean it was one manipulator setting up both bids and asks in a tight range?
Maybe? Yeah the buys went through, but the ask sum took no hit despite an apparent purchase of over 2k BTC? Doesn't make much sense. Bid sum rose while ask sum remained constant  Huh

Looks like one whale wanted to push through the trendline with a bit of volume, but a bigger whale absorbed it all. Market is not going higher with this kind of money capping the price.
249  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2015, 09:39:23 PM

Maybe it was a sale to someone who wanted a ton of coins with no slippage? Maybe they're preparing to sell them on an exchange? Who knows.. but "they sent them to a new wallet and then spend 100" makes no sense.

He sent 100 from the 70k address. The 70k (minus the 100) is still sitting in the original address. It was simply sent back as change.
250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 20, 2015, 06:09:14 PM
You know what's more excruciating than a high volume dump down to $180?  A slow, 12 month grind down to $180.  From the average Joe, I'm sensing a huge amount of apathy for bitcoin right now, which sucks.

Why no apathy in the years before Jan 2013?  Are we still way above what can be supported?

I fear that if Bitcoin was what it is supposed to be you wouldn't have to ask the question. We would just see stable high volume on all exchanges. Instead we see the market and volume move according to the sentiments of speculators. If someone really needed BTC they would just buy it and use it without hanging out to see what the price would do. That doesn't mean that it can sustain a highish price as a speculators plaything, but I would be more comfortable if speculators accounted for 10% of the volume, not 90-98%.

Speculation is a huge and vital part of every market. Big currency markets simply have large market caps (in the trillions) so they are less volatile. You need billions, not millions to manipulate those markets.

Bitcoin is still a very young market and is just beginning to show efficient price discovery mechanisms. You joined during a massive speculative bubble so your expectations are high. Give it time.
251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2015, 09:30:32 PM
Do any of you more intelligent traders know anything about lag time between realtime trading on bitfinex and trades being reported to bots/services/observers?  Because I definitely notice the lag from time to time, I would definitely believe the claims that insiders are taking advantage of the imperfect distribution of information.

Everyone uses the live API--bots, web interface, trading software, bitcoin chart sites... Using a bot is only faster because it can make decisions and place orders very quickly. Generally everyone gets the info as it comes, no delay.
252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2015, 06:56:55 PM
Getting an urge to go leverage long with my 50 btc play stash. Must. Not. Give. In. Smiley

I think there's a bit more downside (sorry guys). Technically things aren't looking great unless you can call this low volume chopping around a bottom--I can't. 3d macd solidly in the red. Daily chart bear flag in the works looking a bit foreboding. Whales seem intent on getting a panic shakeout near 200s or lower. Save your longs until then when everyone's freaking out.

All this chopping around from 220-230 is fake.  The people who do get caught in the middle are those who are buying those shorts.

Thursday show @230 I gotto admit was pretty good.


Since we have gone from 22000 to 29200 shorts in a few days and the longs havent moved, whilst the price has risen, I would agree it is fake but not in the way you suggest. Borrowed selling and real buying by the looks of things.

I think the analysis of shorts vs longs is useful to know but overused to predict price. Shorts were at ATHs and the market still went down; conversely for longs. Market moves on supply and demand and not much else and those with the most coins and $$$ have the largest effect on price. They still have risk and need to make money so this will push the market in the direction of least resistance, or where obvious technicals point (often this is the same). Whales respect good, time-tested TA (volume, trends, support & resistance, MAs) just as other traders do. This is important as many of them are quite good.

Shorts vs longs may tell a good story but is more of a metric to see how many traders are entering the market to profit than anything else.
253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 19, 2015, 03:52:43 PM
Getting an urge to go leverage long with my 50 btc play stash. Must. Not. Give. In. Smiley

I think there's a bit more downside (sorry guys). Technically things aren't looking great unless you can call this low volume chopping around a bottom--I can't. 3d macd solidly in the red. Daily chart bear flag in the works looking a bit foreboding. Whales seem intent on getting a panic shakeout near 200s or lower. Save your longs until then when everyone's freaking out.
254  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2015, 08:57:44 PM
NLC, you are one troubled individual. Now I just feel sorry for you.
255  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2015, 07:10:02 PM
Sorry to say there is nothing compelling to stop the trend reversal.

Maybe shorts should just take a step back and think about how they might be influencing cannibalism.

Before Bitcoin grows up some professional interests need to take positions on the cheap. That's all it is. You wanted Wall Street, well they are here and shaking down the early adopter tree.
256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2015, 07:00:20 PM
Starting to look ugly if you ask me. If buying pressure does not pick up holders will continue to bail at this price level.

Sure the price has dripped lower. But the bids are piling up on finex.

6000 coins to drop 9 dollars. 6000 coins back to 246.

The orderbook is not usually a good indicator. It stacked to massive buy support before the last round of dumps as whales were selling into their own bids.
257  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2015, 06:47:47 PM
Starting to look ugly if you ask me. If buying pressure does not pick up holders will continue to bail at this price level.
258  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: April 14, 2015, 09:26:26 AM
Also, monkey caved to the market, turned bearish, sees support at 126.

I sense a lot of people are finally throwing in the towel, even your monkey.

After fighting the bear for so long, they give up.

This is called 'capitulation'.


3d MACD crossing red doesn't help.
259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Parity Party!!! on: April 12, 2015, 07:11:19 PM
When one Bitcoin reaches $1 we need to celebrate...

Bitcoin network can not live if 1btc=$1
Because there will be too many asics switched off and ready for doublespending attacks

Nope, mining would simply go back in time a few years.
260  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: April 11, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
H&S volume does not measure up. Volume has steadily decreased on the way down from the head and the right shoulder where it should increase. OBV has been making higher highs during the same period.

Volume has been pretty much the same when you compare both shoulders.

A H&S top needs expanding volume to the downside (after the head forms) to confirm it as a distribution pattern. So you'd want to see more volume on the right shoulder.

We may see the volume confirmation on the next test of the neckline IMO.

The point is that H&S top is a distribution pattern so red volume must be increasing on the right side of the pattern. There has to be significant distribution (selling) happening throughout the entire pattern (not just on the neckline break) for the pattern to be valid.
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