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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 13, 2014, 05:56:49 PM
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Damn, all this philosophy in last 10-15 pages makes this thread boring I could make ChartBuddy repost "Favourite charts from the booms and busts of 2013" if you'd like Chartbuddy's Greatest Hits. I like it. Beats recent discussion on issue number one that never goes anywhere on public forums: political philosophy. Number two is religion.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 12, 2014, 08:17:05 PM
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insight: friend of mine working in JP Morgan in London also confirmed they are kinda elaborating their own coin as we speak.. They may succeed with novices but only until the banks fuck it up somehow, at which point people will begin to understand why they should support a coin not backed by any company/cartel. Agreed.... In the end, these kind of endeavors are likely to bring more attention and credibility to bitcoin... even though they may seem to mimic or compete. Bitcoin will likely prevail - yet, we may want to see how these various competitive cryptos play out... and these additional cryptos will likely create hype and even pump and dump opportunities... for day traders. Yes you're probably right. But a centralized bitcoin clone kind of defeats the purpose. Who will mine? JPMorgan? The public? A "trusted" central banker type entity? What if they need to change the rules, will they just hard fork it forcing everyone along? Sounds like a total disaster in the making.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Tax Season and Bitcoin Theory
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on: March 12, 2014, 02:37:51 AM
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Let's say that bitcoin traders made $1 billion this year. On average, they have to pay 30% in taxes. That means they withdraw $300 million worth of bitcoins to pay their taxes. That is a $300 million (in btc) dump. This may explain some of the recent action, and why Bitstamp might be overloaded with withdrawals at the moment.
If you wait a year to cash out, long term capital gains are 15% in the US.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 12, 2014, 02:02:41 AM
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John steward mill said something like that, and that was in the 1800s.
Whats this supposed to imply? That morality is supposed to change with time or something? We may still cite John Steward Mill and others even though the ideas have been around a while, and maybe there was NO reference to John Steward Mill in the original post. I do believe that some things that were said in the 1800s may NOT apply very well in the modern world due to population growth and technological applications that may NOT fit very well into some of the current paradigms. I was quite a fan of JS Mill during some parts of my life, but in recent times, I have been giving more weight to concerns and needs of community b/c I am of the opinion that some of the JS Mill thinking may NOT apply very well to some social responsibility concepts... there needs to be some balance.. ... yet I am NOT in any position to assert exactly where that balance line should be drawn.. that would be a product of the community, ultimately.. and surely I would think that any society would like to have balances that allow for personal liberty within a community framework, if possible. JayJuan, check out this video. It pretty much sums things up. http://youtu.be/muHg86Mys7I
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When Wall Street will finally jump in?
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on: March 11, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
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There is no regulated financial industry surrounding cryptocurrencies. There are no laws that will protect them or favor them.
I say bring it on. Let's see what these traders can do on a level playing field without a central bank and their buddies in Congress to bail them out.
My hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_HsjpSVaISomewhere after midnight In my wildest fantasies Somewhere just beyond my reach There's someone reaching back for me Racing on the thunder and rising with the heat Isn't there a superman to sweep me off my feet? I think they are afraid of real free markets after having their own little corrupt racket for decades, coddling them, making them fat, dim-witted and slow. No heroes left on Wall Street, that's for sure.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When Wall Street will finally jump in?
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on: March 11, 2014, 09:04:48 PM
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Wall Street?
Ye gods, I hope never. They don't deserve the wealth.
They will, sooner or later. When they see with how less money you can manipulate the market in XX% they will smell the blood. Some things to keep in mind if, in fact, groups of large investors attempt this. - The required investment would push prices sky high, making existing holders extraordinary wealthy. There are only ~12 million bitcoins in existence, and most of them are not for sale.
- Bitcoin traders are resistant to wild price swings, are thick-skinned against fraud and can spot market manipulation. Blockchain analysis and the open source nature of the community would help to hold any naughty whales accountable.
- Bitcoiners are generally highly intelligent and understand how the underlying protocol works. Wall Street and their friends in the media do not.
- Crypto traders already program highly sophisticated trading bots (see cryptotrader.org) that rival or will simply copy what Wall Street brings in. If Wall Street money is imminent, traders will be ready to profit.
- There is no regulated financial industry surrounding cryptocurrencies. There are no laws that will protect them or favor them.
I say bring it on. Let's see what these traders can do on a level playing field without a central bank and their buddies in Congress to bail them out.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 11, 2014, 06:46:10 PM
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That's my point, you act like people aren't aware of the risks already. Go run along and do something else.
I just bought a couple more just to spite people like you.
People sure aren't acting like they are aware of the risks already. I'll probably get my account banned soon, so you don't have to see my name any longer. Can't promise that you won't see my text anymore though. The last line you wrote was a little weird. To me, that's like shooting yourself in the foot just to spite people like me :/ yea, that's why he is buying bitcoin. to spite you. pitch that one to your shrink. might be productive. Ignore button is useful. Please use it.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: March 10, 2014, 08:02:45 PM
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If you claim the a monopoly government is necessary to prevent the predation of the disadvantaged by the powerful, then I ask, howz that workin out for you so far?
Here's a question: let's say you could, for the rest of your life, commit 30% of your income and savings to charitable organizations of your choice, with a certain amount required to go to basic needs charities, in exchange for never paying taxes on anything ever again. Would you say yes? If that's too much, what's the maximum you'd go up to? When I see discussions about small government, especially with Europeans defending socialism, keep in mind the US was designed to have decentralized state governments by its founders. If you don't like the rules in one state, drive to another one. To most libertarians, this is acceptable. So calling them anti-government is a gross misunderstanding. State and Federal governments here often butt heads, and often states win out. Illinois, for example, resembles a socialist country in decline. It has many social safety nets, huge union influence, huge unsustainable debt, high unemployment and a super corrupt, scandalous government. Fortunately it's not difficult to move somewhere like Oregon, with low income tax and zero sales tax. After the auto industry bailout by the Feds (which didn't work, btw), Michigan has largely taken a hands-off approach with the decline of Detroit. As much of a hellhole/ghost town the metropolitan area is, the suburbs are still doing well. The corruption and collapse is working itself out and investors are buying up cheap cheap real estate. My friends rent a huge, amazing house there for a few hundred dollars a month. The neighborhood looks like a demilitarized zone but it's not unsafe because there's nobody there.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin looking very weak at mid $600
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on: March 09, 2014, 07:09:58 PM
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Mat you think way too much. Dumb it down. Price action reflects everything that is happening in the market and doesn't mix well with theories based on incomplete information. As much as TA is an art form, keep it simple. I tell my music students this all the time: Dumb it down, keep it simple and don't overthink technically or you'll walk onstage and be screwed.
Believe me, I keep it dumb. #1 determinant of my Bitcoin outlook is intuition, perhaps with a pinch of distorted emotional bias if I get too involved arguing with Nutters on this place. The arms and legs of the TA (which I have only the most rudimentary grasp off) come afterwards. Good deal. Conspiracies are fun but don't let 'em cloud your judgement. Compare the April rally/crash/uncertainty/certainty/just kidding/doldrums/fear/doubt/whew with November's rally and there are some surprising finds.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin looking very weak at mid $600
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on: March 09, 2014, 07:01:04 PM
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Mat you think way too much. Dumb it down. Price action reflects everything that is happening in the market and doesn't mix well with theories based on incomplete information. As much as TA is an art form, keep it simple. I tell my music students this all the time: Dumb it down, keep it simple and don't overthink technically or you'll walk onstage and be screwed.
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