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Go ahead and post the pictures.
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The only chance we have is if shares get transferred to Colored Coins and the shares themselves are used as a new asset currency somehow. There will only be 10 million.
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Ken is meeting with eASIC this week... Anyone in San Jose, maybe you can go get coffee...
says who? source? Says some random dude on IRC. But what does it really matter? What if Ken told you... would you believe it? |
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So VMC sold miners for thousands of bitcoins. And we have a delay of months. Were are all the customers? With every other miner selling company you saw threads filled with customers that are angry and want their money back. Only think about avalon batch 3. But VMC has nothing like that?
That sounds really strange und unusual. I cant believe that the refunds are working so flawless that no one complains. I mean refunds are in USD and even when someone got a refund he would write about it right? But nothing from any customer? Can this be?
The worst thing in this all seems to me that we seemingly had a working prototype but ken decided we need a redesign.
Regarding forum deletions... i dont see that ken is deleting critics totally. Not one of my critic posts vanished. So i wonder what posts are deleted.
I also have never seen a single person talking about ordering a single machine. Ken never had a working prototype. For all we know the NDA with eASIC is for Ken to hire 12 illegal immigrants to butter toast for Ronnie Vasishta. And last but not least, I've had 3-4 posts deleted so far since this thread opened. It's always posts asking for proof. Cause this is a scam. There either never was any real intention of producing miners OR miners were produced but only for the benefit of a select few in on the scam. |
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If it takes 4 months to get miners, with current funds we could pull 1% network hashrate day 1.... 4 months is enough to start from scratch.... I still rate the possibility of having miners within 4 months at about 50% but the return on investment potential makes the risk worth it.
Now grow the fuck up and stop speculating about everything you insecure bloody teenagers.
Assuming Ken has actual intention of producing miners. |
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Why doesn't it jive that Ken gave a customer some test chips to play with pending a rather large contract?
I'm trying to think outside the box that is all.
If there were chips at all, we would have been shown evidence of them... "Hey, guys. Here are the chips hashing! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 2014 is looking magnificent!" But you said: What IF his silent pre-orders were commercial? What if there was a large contract and perhaps the 'products' were chips pending a $M order? Suggesting that the shipped products were part of some commercial multimillion dollar order... Ken just told us that we had to start over cause nothing worked. Why would Ken tell us that we have gotten nowhere if he just supplied an order to a commercial company? It is as simple as this: If there were chips, fully-functional or even partially functional, and this whole deal is legit, we would have seen evidence of them in some way. The only way there could be chips and we weren't shown them is if someone wanted us to think this whole thing failed... "Hey guys, we have had some difficulties with the chips and we have hired the best RTL and we are still working on boards." As we speak eAsic and the board manufacturers are having a meeting with Ken. It's fair to say that we all agree that as a conference call it ain't gonna work. Let's hope Ken has his game face on.  More hear-say and assumptions. You do not know this to be true. |
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eASIC would not allow prototype chips or any chip image of a new product to be shown. They bang out chips all day everyday ofcourse there have been chips made, it stands to reason.
BS, once eASIC delivered chips to ken, whether it be sample chips or regular volume chips, Ken can show them. There is nothing in the NDA which would prevent that. What IF his silent pre-orders were commercial? What if there was a large contract and perhaps the 'products' were chips pending a $M order? Then Ken is fabricating a story that things went terribly wrong to the point he had to hire new engineering firms. See that? Doesn't jive. |
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That Ken hasn't shown any chips implies that there either have not been any chips or there are chips and Ken & Co. want us to believe there are no chips. If there haven't been any chips there are three things that can be said: it is unlikely that eASIC is to blame; Ken could not have merely flubbed the design and we received gimped chips because he could still show a picture; that Ken has not yet submitted a satisfactory RTL.
V, while I do respect your scientific approach it's seems your investigations are incomplete as you didn't explore the option (presumably with its own three multiple choices) that there ARE chips. I'm not saying there are chips, I'm merely highlighting the flaw in your scientific approach. I did cover that option. The only way that there are chips is if they perform as expected and they are being hidden for a private farm. Otherwise, even if non-functional or poorly functioning chips were delivered we would have been shown evidence. And it is extremely unlikely that no chips have been delivered. |
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That Ken hasn't shown any chips implies that there either have not been any chips or there are chips and Ken & Co. want us to believe there are no chips. If there haven't been any chips there are three things that can be said: it is unlikely that eASIC is to blame; Ken could not have merely flubbed the design and we received gimped chips because he could still show a picture; that Ken has not yet submitted a satisfactory RTL.
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can someone tell me whats going , i have stock. and havnt followed up in months, a quick breakdown of events would be nice
The chips and boards are delayed. Estimates 4-8wks. We are awaiting implementation of a new trading platform - probably Coloured Coins and/or Crypto-Trade. That's it. This is an assumption and a massive extrapolation based on what Ken said. We have no way to know that anything is going on at all. Ken and Co. could be secretly mining in the underground facility for all we know or there may never have been a successful RTL submitted to eASIC. There is just no way to know as we have not fact one. |
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can someone tell me whats going , i have stock. and havnt followed up in months, a quick breakdown of events would be nice
You will never get your stock back, you are a perpetual bag-holder. You should have sold your stock prior to the share transfer if you ever wanted to see your bitcoins again. |
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The only scam I see around here is the fact that a non shareholder with a personal vendetta is trying to stir up shit and cause trouble and given that half a dozen 'yes' votes are all from crumb's many faces and the rest are from ActM competitors and Asic Miner fan boys, what we have ladies and gentlemen is a nominee for the funniest bitcointalk thread of the year! Lol.  Seriously guys, get real. 'Let's sue Ken, but hold on won't he spend our Bitcoins on paying his lawyer to defend himself?'. The first lawyers office you went into would laugh you out the building for Pete's sake. Total hysteria and frankly quite embarrassing. Kids, you can't sue a company because they informed you they are behind schedule and have experienced issues with a sub contractor and you are butt hurt because you can't cash in any bitcoins yet for some spendies now that Bitcoins are $1000 a pop. Life lesson 1: life can seem a bit unfair and the answer is seldom to sue. So you have no problem with Ken lying to us for months? He doesn't because he works for ActM... his job is to come on here to pump ActM and criticize anyone who doubts ActM. |
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If anything, you should be pointing to the lack of a forward-looking-statement disclaimer as the last post had. In this case I would agree that you could make the point that they didn't reach the goals they clearly stated they intended to achieve. But they didn't intentionally tell an untruth and they haven't stolen anything. Deceit well, is omission of some/many facts deceit?
Of course they did. Ken withheld key information from shareholders and lied/mislead on key facts surrounding ActM progress. |
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i can't believe people are voting no here.
we have shares, being held by ken, and we can't verify them, move them, even ASK him to confirm they exist, and yet you people who invested 1+ BTC don't want to sue?
sue his ***.
of course i am onboard.
volanic eruptor has a bunch of his personal info too.
i will happily pay this guy a visit.
Lets just get a group of people together who want their coin back and everyone else can just not have theirs. There may not be enough to pay everyone back but there may be enough to pay some of us back. |
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We need someone who can subpoena eASIC to determine whether they delivered chips, etc.
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We should do something. Even if it getting state attorney general's office involved or SEC if that can be done. We don't necessarily need to immediately jump into hiring lawyers.
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Why don't we just start posting in the unmoderated thread?
Somebody give me a cookie.
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