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1061  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 01:56:12 PM
I can't believe I am hearing this crap at this point. If Labcoin had anything that they claimed it would be nothing to provide some real evidence. Nothing they have given us is verifiable. TheSwede75's recent statement regarding "once we get mining running..." was basically an admission that they are not mining. Not being able to provide pictures of completed boards and rigs is proof they are not hashing. Not being able to provide verifiable blocks is proof they are not hashing.

Lets assume your right? (not imho) and now? you sell? or already sold? whats next?
I already sold. At this point it about finishing Labcoin so that no one else gets hurt.

Labcoin already have the money so their success isn't dependant upon the share price. Ultimately, it depends on how their chips perform and the value they provide. We're about to find that out over the coming weeks.

They claim to currently have 2 Th/s and will be expanding to 20 Th/s in the next 20 days. They're not just bringing more hashing power online, they're also tweaking what's already running to optimise the whole system.

There's no proof whatsoever that they are not mining, just opinions. In fact, on the engineering side, from the updates we've had so far, Labcoin seem to be on schedule and possibly a bit ahead. When it has come to providing actual proof that would verify that Labcoin are in deed mining, Labcoin have failed miserably on that score. That is not proof that they're not hashing though, that's just proof of poor PR skills which I kind of expect from engineers anyway.

They've told us that this proof will be forthcoming over the next couple of weeks with the address being provided when mining is stabilised and around 10 TH/s.

Apart from the claimed good news about mining, what else has actually changed? The community has asked for specific things and has been told that those things will be provided within the next couple of weeks.

Sell all you want or buy all you want, it makes no difference to Labcoin. They'll keep bringing more hashing power online as they've already paid for the necessary hardware.
You have it completely backwards. There is NO proof that they are hashing or that they even have potentially function hardware. There is no argument in stating that "there is no proof they aren't hashing' - that means nothing. There is no proof that I am not a member of the Rothschild family plotting to takeover Bitcoin, either. That doesn't make legitimate an argument that claims I am.

You say, "They claim to have 2 TH/s..." and "They are not just bringin more hashing power online..." - you contradict yourself in the same sentence. We don't know that they have 2 TH/s let alone whether or not they plan on or have the capability to bring on more. You acknowledge that their claims are incredible and then assume that their grander claims somehow are credible.
1062  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 01:24:01 PM
Part of the problem is that there is zero regulation, so if a "real" company pulled a stunt like this it wouldn't be as big of a deal, shareholders could assume that the company wasn't just a huge scam or that the owners wouldn't run off with some of the money because if it was or they tried that, they'd be prosecuted.

But here, if you lose investor trust it will be difficult to get back.

I agree with you but I don't think Labcoin is a scam. They are just paying the price of too much bullshit and not enough honesty. And as you said, in the BTC world, *trust* is everything.
So what then about Labcoin is legitimate? If they don't have functional PCBs, if they can't provide pcitures of assembled boards, if they can't provide proof of hashing, they don't have anything. If they don't have anything then they are necessarily a scam.
1063  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 01:13:39 PM
Is that the same angelsky who came aboard and then jumped because the waves were to high? Even though the boat never left the docks?

I left on the previous update (if you remember) and that was obviously a good idea. I went through every update here and that was always the same story: only words, no proof. The pressure was increasing and this time it imploded. I just don't know how Labcoin is going to get back the trust of their shareholders.

I don't understand why people hold LC at the moment. I mean, gambling is ok, but with these odds, I'm feeling kinda skeptical.
Hell, I would love to get in on this just to catch those violent swings, but the risk is soo high I have held off since I sold. At any minute that could be going to IPO price, which it should.
1064  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 12:54:21 PM
I can't believe I am hearing this crap at this point. If Labcoin had anything that they claimed it would be nothing to provide some real evidence. Nothing they have given us is verifiable. TheSwede75's recent statement regarding "once we get mining running..." was basically an admission that they are not mining. Not being able to provide pictures of completed boards and rigs is proof they are not hashing. Not being able to provide verifiable blocks is proof they are not hashing.

Lets assume your right? (not imho) and now? you sell? or already sold? whats next?
I already sold. At this point it about finishing Labcoin so that no one else gets hurt.
1065  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
I can't believe I am hearing this crap at this point. If Labcoin had anything that they claimed it would be nothing to provide some real evidence. Nothing they have given us is verifiable. TheSwede75's recent statement regarding "once we get mining running..." was basically an admission that they are not mining. Not being able to provide pictures of completed boards and rigs is proof they are not hashing. Not being able to provide verifiable blocks is proof they are not hashing.
1066  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:48:58 AM
What a way to wake up... I knew I should have set a clock in the middle of the night :p

So, for future reference, is there any way to place stop loss orders on btct.co or the other crypto exchanges? Grin
No.
1067  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:25:25 AM
So will there be a div this tuesday?


Yep, it will be .0005% of your IPO deposit.

And there will be some kind of Transaction Issues™, therefore it will only be paid out in Early November™
They will have issues but show pictures of the dividend.
1068  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:19:36 AM
So will there be a div this tuesday?

Yes, of course. Why would you expect anything different? Doesn't Labcoin always do what it says it will do?
1069  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:13:25 AM
Did I miss an update of pictures/addresses?

Why are people buying?

They're anticipating a rebound. Heh!
A new update in a couple days with pics and updated hashing rates.
1070  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:11:40 AM
Did I miss an update of pictures/addresses?

Why are people buying?
They are just playing the swings.
1071  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 06:07:44 AM
TheSweed posted this, then I guess deleted his comment:

Quote
hey have placed an order for a yet untested chip design, so ergo they will deliver superior hardware. Gotcha.

It's not an untested chip.  First of all, it's being designed by eASIC, who know what they're doing.

Second of all they're using an FPGA copy process. Their chip literally has the same structure as an FPGA, but all the "field programmable" stuff is stripped out and replaced with metal wires.

It will behave exactly the same as the FPGA it's based off of, so testing should be no problem.
Not only that but ActM has proof positive that they successfully negotiated a deal to provide chips. Labcoin has provided shady evidence if any at all that they successfully negotiated a chip deal with a foundry. all we have seen are some random photos of unidentifiable QFP chips. 
1072  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:59:13 AM
Yep. No one on here can claim we are FUDing. FACT: Labcoin has not and is not hashing yet.

Exactly, Labcoin say they are hashing and a week later the MOST they have is unassembled PCB's and "ASIC" chips.

So thats a lie.

But then we get called "FUDsters"

What the hell?

I would like to point out that I am not calling anyone FUDsters, I am also not saying that labcoin has not had 2th hashing. My statement is just based on the info I have and that is that more tweaking and calibrating is needed before Labcoin feels comfortable with stating a stable hash rate.
Show us pictures of assembled boards functioning properly or not. It is that simple.
1073  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:58:26 AM
Where else can you go? Activemining? IPO price is a better deal than Activemining.

Oh please...

here's the thing - who's to say ActM won't have the same or similar problems when it comes to production.  Every company so far has had issues, except for Bitfury. KnC hasn't shipped yet. I think the super-well funded entries like HF and Cointerra should go smoothly, but I don't see much evidence that ActM will be able to deploy and produce at scale the way they'll need too.  They may be delayed a couple days or weeks as well.
But we don't even know that Labcoin has ASIC chips capable of hashing if they got them working. We have no evidence of any deal whatsoever.
1074  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:55:59 AM
Ahem... I'll just leave this here. http://virtualminingcorp.com/  Grin

Trying real hard not to be rude when you post a counter point using a project that has a 10x higher valuation providing less proof of working tech.
You don't have any proof of working tech. They have a deal announced with a leading ASIC company that was published on that company's site.
1075  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:51:53 AM
The next update will not be scheduled but rather I will see to it that we update the forum and btct.co when mining is running and the team can show more details on the operation.

Direct confession of a lie. They were never hashing.

If this is true price should correct to IPO value. (if this is not a scam, remember scam = 0)


Why is it so hard to have a picture of the mining rig and your assembled boards?

Please reply TheSwede75.
Because they don't have any.

I wonder how they got to 2TH/s?
Yep. No one on here can claim we are FUDing. FACT: Labcoin has not and is not hashing yet.
1076  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:48:26 AM
NOT AN UPDATE, JUST PERSONAL OPINION:

To be brutally honest. I realize that has been delays, and I also realize that communication has not always been what I wish we could provide. BUT, supporting day trading or providing updates at the whim of every single person that owns a share is just not priority.

If you do not believe Labcoin can deliver, or that somehow the team is running the world most advanced long-con ever you are well in your right to sell your shares.

The project is fully funded and I have personally 100% faith that Sam and the developers can and will deliver and though mining has been delayed, every single (even the most pessimistic) calculation I have done makes selling my shares anywhere near current price a bad idea.

I am not saying this to influence share price, but simply because it is getting a little tiring to see people yell and scream completely irrelevant information.

The chips that have been developed perform well within variance of what can be expected, boards have arrive and are arriving as we speak and mining will according to the team be up and running at production speeds within a week or two.

With 100,000+ chips already ordered I see no reason as to why the project would not yield a very healthy profit within the next month.

The next update will not be scheduled but rather I will see to it that we update the forum and btct.co when mining is running and the team can show more details on the operation.

I know its easy to have 20/20 hindsight but I feel that frequent updates do more harm then good. Feel free to voice your opinion of course (as I am sure you will).

I guess asking for some measure of reason is futile but the best I can do is to inform as best as I can. Hopefully I will be able to look back at this thread in a few months and smile.

Edit: I can personally guarantee that no one on the Labcoin team has the Photoshop skills to fake the chip/board images. Source; engineers are not artists.
But we have been given no evidence of any of this.
1077  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:31:30 AM
SUB-IPO = no more trust = SCAM.

If we go under IPO this is over. I wonder who the bagholders are going to be, all these people set 0.0015 as a buy thinking that will be awesome when it gets filled.

Hint, your buys got filled for a reason.
I was able to remove my .002 buy just in time - it almost struck.

I was wondering if I should buy some, but at this point I don't want something that no one wants.
I already lost 3.5 BTC today on some stupid moves - not risking any more. No way to know where this ends.
1078  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:28:23 AM
SUB-IPO = no more trust = SCAM.

If we go under IPO this is over. I wonder who the bagholders are going to be, all these people set 0.0015 as a buy thinking that will be awesome when it gets filled.

Hint, your buys got filled for a reason.
I was able to remove my .002 buy just in time - it almost struck.
1079  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:27:06 AM
What happened to BitGarden?
1080  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: September 14, 2013, 05:25:32 AM
This is a disaster. Total. Fucking. Disaster.
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