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1041  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Flag for Middle Eastern Union on: March 04, 2020, 02:54:58 PM
I think that T. E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) would roll over in his grave laughing if he thought anybody was serious about a ME Union.

Cool

the middle eastern union is the future of the middle east, thats the only way that is not moraly being attacked as:

nazi (turkey, arabs, kurds)

islamist (muslims, shia, sunni)

kufar (christian, jew)

the EU has been created in europe as a result of american hegemony and uk insultin everybody else to be nazis.

then germany formed with other european countries the EU, in order to mirrow the usa in europe.

since the angolos behave with their nazi denounciations https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foHcgORUiIg will basically behave the same in the middle east as they did in europe,

i highly expect that the middle eastern union becomes a reality of life.



1042  Other / Politics & Society / Flag for Middle Eastern Union on: March 04, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
middle east needs also a free trade zone to prevent violence, people should use their labour to build themselves communities

here my suggestion how to start the middle eastern union (other name suggestions middle western/middle eastern union (china centric view/eurocentric view) or the middle union

core countries turkey, iran, iraq, syria, saudi arabia, uae, kuwait, oman, potentially also: pakistan, afghanistan, north afrika

with religious freedom, sustainability environmental protection and also humanism with some forms of democracy and human rights as political goal

flag of the middle eastern union

suggestion EU flag reverse.

lots of yellow for the lot of sanddesert they have
little blue for the little water oasis they have

12 stars representing the community with the number 12 of being completeness



what do you think?

regards
1043  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 04, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
NATO (USA) is responsible for this mess in the first place. If they didn't wage war with Syria, there wouldn't be any migrant problems.

Just because Assad didn't let Muricans to have their pipeline, he had to go.

It sound like RT channels would tell  Smiley

Syria is islamic country, where most part of population is sunnis while Assad with some henchmans is alawite (closer to shiites). So it's obvious that Assad had a strong opposition in his own country.

And the only party in this conflict which takes all profits is Israel. Syria (thanks to Assad family) was the only border country which is not accepted Israel and talking about it "extermination". The same with their friends from Iran.

That opposition is fabricated by the US. Read the article it makes perfect sense.

USA messes with every Middle Eastern country there is. Assad invited the Russians to defend the country against the terrorists... (In this scenario it is the US) Why is the US even in Syria? What is USA exactly doing there? What were they doing in Iraq? What do they want from Iran? Read the article and you'll see why.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/big-story/pipelineistan-conspiracy-war-syria-has-never-been-about-gas

That motherfucking pipeline was against Russia's interests and USA was against Assad's interests.

Ffs, There is a strong opposition against Trump in USA too. Millions said: "Not my president." They clearly don't acknowledge Trump as their president yet I don't see anybody carpetbombing California for not liking Trump. That's not an excuse.

people are fighting for power, all have different oppinions, some islamists and democacy people simply tried to develop connections to the usa in order to remove assad from financial power and place themselves in power.

in this process russia that was supportig statehood, got into conflict with usa that was supporting an uprising
1044  Other / Politics & Society / Re: whats the point of preserving nations? success doesnt come out of it. on: March 04, 2020, 06:47:54 AM
Who want to see peasant moving from one region to another region en masses every single day? Nations and immigration department work to stop idiot peasant from moving whenever disaster strike the earth, all of you peasant need to sacrifice yourself when tornado strike, when corona strike, migrating to the safety is highly illegal, soon hiding in your basement will be illegal too, they will lurk you out from basement to take risk, the cops will have all the arrest warrant on all basement dwellers, they can broke into your basement for all reason and presume guilty until proven innocent on each of you.

more langauges, more nationalism, more nazism, more racism etc.

better have less langauges, so langauges cannot be used as a basis for identity and hatred.
1045  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 03, 2020, 08:09:20 PM

since turkey has 3 times the amount of land than germany has, there is no need to be helping turkey it has 3 times more than germany and turkey still wants germany to help it.

After these sentences, I don't think I want to continue discussing more with you.
I think I will have to go down to kindergarten level to tell you that there is no strong link between land and economy! Because otherwise you would know that countries with much smaller lands may be higher in the economy ranking! I just want to think that you are a middle class nationalist who loves his country. Otherwise I will start believing you are racist and fascist

you are racist and fascist, why do you want to force those thievin refugees on the germans, if erdogan likes refugees let him keep them after all erdogan started destabilising syria together with some american officials which should also be put into syria for the reconstruction
1046  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Want to fish in our waters - it's easy. on: March 03, 2020, 03:17:26 PM
Why is the EU bankrupt

EU is not bankrupt. It actually have no debt at all. EU simply divide what they collect from its members. They dont borrow or lend or whatever.

Countries in the EU have debt and most possibly some of them after this recession will be on brink of bankruptcy. But overall on average are way from other high in dept countries.

EU has money, but the problem is, is that it is being blackmailed, by its savage neighbors, erdogan wants money putin wants money assad wants money from the EU, although the EU had nothing to do with syrian civil war.

world is full of savages, and those that have money (EU) are getting blackmailed all the time.

Yes. EU have money to use every year. What members of EU contribute. But OP claims that EU will bankrupt. You cant bankrupt if you have no loans to pay off. EU have no loans. EU can never bankrupt. It can cease to exist when its members will see no reason for it to exist. So far everyday are more reasons to exist. You mention Turkey, you mention middle east, you mention Russia. You forgot to mention China and USA. Lets not forget Africa.

Most of countries in EU on their own are nothing. Few countries in EU on their own are something, but nothing compared to what EU is. Countries just need to cooperate in almost everything. Together do space program. Together develop weapons. There is no need that France makes own tank or submarine or fighter jet and Germany builds own and Spain builds own.  We will all build one together.

EU is here to stay for a very long time! 

you are wrong, the members are bankrupt not the EU.

Then I am right. EU is not bankrupt as OP claimed.

About different European countries you are right. Some of them will have serious problems after this economic crysis. But so will have a lot countries allower the world. That is how economy evolved in last century. A economy of debt. Not just on country level but everywhere. 

Here you have European countries debts. All with less then 50% should be fine. All over 90% will have serious problems. And standard in those countries will decrease a lot.   https://www.statista.com/statistics/269684/national-debt-in-eu-countries-in-relation-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp/



well greece will get its situation fixed, with the eu border billions
1047  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 03, 2020, 02:33:08 PM
Nato should protect greece and southern europeans from these migrants.

its a clear attack against the stability and the integrity of those states, those migrants dont just come once they are inside they start stealing and crime sometimes even murdering locals until the society starts to desintegrate.

why is nato completely sleeping on this are they drunken?


Are you stupid? Now the Europeans and the US will have to carry the results of what they have done there. I can't say I'm sorry for that. We have carried out deportation operations to prevent the flow of refugees coming to our country for years and to create a safe zone. but as a result, we were accused of barbarism by the Europeans and most of our soldiers died.
Also, you cannot estimate the harm caused by the remaining 5 million untrained refugees to our country while you are getting good income and educated immigrants to your country. Stop whining now.

are you stupid? stopping those migrants will finally stop the "braindrain" to europe. there was nothing negative sown, the west was for decades begged by lobbyists from those countries to intervene into their political affairs to get rid of so called "tyrants". why did they constantly asked the west to tear down another tyriant and whined for a nother regime change?

these migrants are useless in europe, europe doesnt need them.

this is clearly a case for nato, usa has gambled too long in the middle east, the gambling around syria was completely uninvolved with europens who constantly prefer to be neutral


This is the point. Indifference! Europeans and NATO have blocked their ears for long calls. They did not perform both their military and financial duties. And they caused a great economic crisis and military damage to our country. The cost of the chaos caused by the imperialist powers were forced to pay Turkiye. Now you start crying because a few immigrants come to your country. We have a word here; '' The snake that does not touch me will live a thousand years! '' Maybe you are the inventor of this word?

erdogan gambled in syria,
erdogan called africans and middle easterners from all over the world in order to create the migration crisis blackmailing europeans to take their migrants

and why?

because erdogan is a racist he wants the entire world to become black, and europeans to be enslaved to house educate and feed erdogans evil migrant army.

erdogan is like sauron from middle earth,

turks shouldn't ask for more immigration than you can handle.

since turkey has 3 times the amount of land than germany has, there is no need to be helping turkey it has 3 times more than germany and turkey still wants germany to help it.
1048  Other / Politics & Society / US led Nato retards do anti russia manouver, while greece is being sieged on: March 03, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-pyJCkDbkQ

at the same time turks are arming migrants in order to enslave the greeks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlvgunZzRZI
1049  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Want to fish in our waters - it's easy. on: March 03, 2020, 03:31:56 AM
Why is the EU bankrupt

EU is not bankrupt. It actually have no debt at all. EU simply divide what they collect from its members. They dont borrow or lend or whatever.

Countries in the EU have debt and most possibly some of them after this recession will be on brink of bankruptcy. But overall on average are way from other high in dept countries.

EU has money, but the problem is, is that it is being blackmailed, by its savage neighbors, erdogan wants money putin wants money assad wants money from the EU, although the EU had nothing to do with syrian civil war.

world is full of savages, and those that have money (EU) are getting blackmailed all the time.

Yes. EU have money to use every year. What members of EU contribute. But OP claims that EU will bankrupt. You cant bankrupt if you have no loans to pay off. EU have no loans. EU can never bankrupt. It can cease to exist when its members will see no reason for it to exist. So far everyday are more reasons to exist. You mention Turkey, you mention middle east, you mention Russia. You forgot to mention China and USA. Lets not forget Africa.

Most of countries in EU on their own are nothing. Few countries in EU on their own are something, but nothing compared to what EU is. Countries just need to cooperate in almost everything. Together do space program. Together develop weapons. There is no need that France makes own tank or submarine or fighter jet and Germany builds own and Spain builds own.  We will all build one together.

EU is here to stay for a very long time! 

you are wrong, the members are bankrupt not the EU.
1050  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Afghanistan: US and Taliban Sign Deal Trying To End 18 Year Old War on: March 03, 2020, 02:52:49 AM
Not exactly just yet though. There are problems a day after signing the deal because of differences. Even if things go ahead without any issues it will be over a year before US troops are withdrawn from Afghanistan.

it is not possible to end a war with the taliban

Actually is possible. just happened. I think that means they won. Afghanistan for afghans, finally!

+1 to this.

I know that Afghanistan and the Taliban are having issues with their end of this deal, and ya know that's to be expected. Kinda hard to sign a deal between a terrorist group and a country that has been plagued by the problems of this terrorist group for the longest time.

Current news on this part of things - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/01/mike-pompeo-us-taliban-deal-afghan-rejection-clause - But this is yet again, to be expected. This is between a country that was plagued by the horribleness of the Taliban for years. I'm going to assume that the people of Afghan want to be tough on the Taliban, and the US just wants this to end.

But ya know, we'll see.

afghans will have to fight hard for their freedom to have a country where foreigners will invest into, with some kind of productive non stone age economy, there is no way you can ever life peaceful with the taliban.

afghanistan is not the graveyard of empires it is the battlefield of empires, the british where in afghanistan fighting against russian supported nationalists,
and the americans supported the taliban against the ussr.

afghanistan can only get peace if the world powers will stop using it as a battle field, and the afghans would actually want to develop their country.
1051  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA siding with EU vs UK and nazis on: March 02, 2020, 08:42:35 PM
germany and eastern europe have a very clear logic what a nazi is; thats a nation thats puts its national interest over other nations, and acts rouge. eastern europe and germany together therefor think that uk and all exiteers are nazis.

germany will side more and more with eastern europe against all those who abandon the EU.


It is not. Nationalists are very strong in east Europe. Way stronger then in UK. Why? Because big % of citizens of UK are not England natives, but people that moved to England in past centuries. East Europe is nationally homogenise. There is tiny % of people that dont belong that nation.  Nationalists or you can call them also neo nazis dont glorify their country but their nation. If you have citizenship of their country but you dont belong to their nation they will push you away and denies you equal rights.   


Every European country is supposed to side with those that are part of EU toward those that are out of EU. That is totally logical. But also every country that is in EU will have to present some standard's that we all together decide. That is how communities work.  Nationalism for sure dont help here. But I am sure all EU countries will overcome that. Europe was continent of constant wars for 1000 years.  That had changed when EU was formed.

nationalists in eastern europe are in truth communists pretending to be nationalists,
1052  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 02, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
these migrants are useless in europe, europe doesnt need them.

These migrants are useless in everywhere, Turkey doesn’t need them. EU countries especially France/Greece didn’t allow us to build safe zone that prevents coming of immigrants from Syria. We don’t have to deal with all of this bullshit that happened in the middle-east.

that safe zone would have never been needed what was turkey and the usa doing in syria in the first place it was a sustainable moderate birth rate middle eastern country and not a 8 children per illiterate and toothless mother zerg like afghanistan or somalia

in syria usa and erdogan together actively tried to destroy or make a country even worse than it was before

how was that reasonable? i bet they wanted to exploit the desperate syrians that where taken of their home and jobs, as cheap labour, but in europe there is no big interest for that
1053  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 02, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
Nato should protect greece and southern europeans from these migrants.

its a clear attack against the stability and the integrity of those states, those migrants dont just come once they are inside they start stealing and crime sometimes even murdering locals until the society starts to desintegrate.

why is nato completely sleeping on this are they drunken?


Are you stupid? Now the Europeans and the US will have to carry the results of what they have done there. I can't say I'm sorry for that. We have carried out deportation operations to prevent the flow of refugees coming to our country for years and to create a safe zone. but as a result, we were accused of barbarism by the Europeans and most of our soldiers died.
Also, you cannot estimate the harm caused by the remaining 5 million untrained refugees to our country while you are getting good income and educated immigrants to your country. Stop whining now.

are you stupid? stopping those migrants will finally stop the "braindrain" to europe. there was nothing negative sown, the west was for decades begged by lobbyists from those countries to intervene into their political affairs to get rid of so called "tyrants". why did they constantly asked the west to tear down another tyriant and whined for a nother regime change?

these migrants are useless in europe, europe doesnt need them.

this is clearly a case for nato, usa has gambled too long in the middle east, the gambling around syria was completely uninvolved with europens who constantly prefer to be neutral
1054  Other / Politics & Society / Re: middle east still full of violent and hateful islamists on: March 02, 2020, 06:59:32 AM
right -> push your national interest directly based on national demands

left -> back down on your direct national interest in the hope for moral gain.
Thanks for making that clarification but my opinion is still the same. If that's the definition then don't you think that there should be separation from church and state?

church and state also have a left and a right, i think there is a much healthier mentally worldview,

based on

cultures and finance.

but that one is difficult to understand and to accept
1055  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 02, 2020, 02:49:32 AM
Nato should protect greece and southern europeans from these migrants.

its a clear attack against the stability and the integrity of those states, those migrants dont just come once they are inside they start stealing and crime sometimes even murdering locals until the society starts to desintegrate.

why is nato completely sleeping on this are they drunken?

So what the Greeks think about it? are they calling for NATO?

I'm Greek but I've lived Outside of Greece for 10 years.


I think that we should keep an open mind. As long at the laws are being upheld, we're very far away from a malthusian situation. Greece like a lot of the luckier countries is not in a terrible crisis at the moment.

Things will only get worse for people in the middle east thanks to climate change. Since we're luckier we should do what we can to accept immigrants into our country. My current country is the US and I think the same about here.

Some immigrants will commit crime. They start out in a real shitty situation. But in total I think they are a positive thing. I don't see a cultural threat due to immigrants. Greece has an awesome culture and even if we got millions of immigrants in the country that wouldn't change.

Hell, we get millions of tourists every summer and things work out fine.


Edit:

grammar +

If we're talking Syrian immigrants I had one in my class growing up and he was awesome. I remember one day he gave me some of his food, and even though Greek food is probably the best in the world his stuff was also really, really good. He's cool, he's got tons of friends and still lives in Athens.



are you stupid? among those migrants there are also many hateful racists islamists and other haters, that simply don't want to work at home, a society needs labour to be fruitful for all, refugees aren't necessarily labour they could have also come legaly with a work visa.

europe block off these migrants is also helping the development of those noneuropean countries they came from because their labour actually stays there.


We're all people. The idea that they can somehow take over society and destroy a country is far-right fear-mongering. In truth they are a net benefit to society. The rules won't change. Just more diversity in the crowd.

In my experience immigrants were more fun to hangout than racists.

Even in a small village up in the mountains, I met an Albanian, well respected in the community and part of it. Now Imagine that all over Greece but with Syrians. I don't see how it makes Greece any worse.


To your points. There are going to be bigots among the immigrants, just like the native population. Hopefully if the culture goes right these people will become more secular.

As for immigrants not being fruitful labor, you're probably eating vegetables grown by immigrants and enter buildings and drive on roads that were build by illegal immigrant labor. A lot of people immigrate illegally simply to find work.

I bet the reason they don't have legal status to work is because the system failed them. I respect the lengths that these people take to get what we take for granted.

The only point where I'd advocate for a military like defense of the borders would be if it was a legit invasion. And I know you probably get a ha**on just thinking about shooting brown people but this is not what's happening here.

these immigrants are effectively evil and racists against the people where they go to, you idiot, they want you to have to work for them, build them a housing educate their spoiled brat gangsta children etc. pay taxes for migrant aid, instead of investing the money into your own children, because they are comming from huge ressource rich countries like nigeria or afghanistan or syria into small ressource poor ones. like greece or hungary.  these migrants are the evil ones, they are fleeing the ressource rich third world to tiny dense populated europe
 i doubt even you are a greek you might be one of them, pretending to be a greek.
1056  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Greece and balkan europeans under attack by migrants, is this a Case for Nato? on: March 02, 2020, 02:04:20 AM
Nato should protect greece and southern europeans from these migrants.

its a clear attack against the stability and the integrity of those states, those migrants dont just come once they are inside they start stealing and crime sometimes even murdering locals until the society starts to desintegrate.

why is nato completely sleeping on this are they drunken?

So what the Greeks think about it? are they calling for NATO?

I'm Greek but I've lived Outside of Greece for 10 years.


I think that we should keep an open mind. As long at the laws are being upheld, we're very far away from a malthusian situation. Greece like a lot of the luckier countries is not in a terrible crisis at the moment.

Things will only get worse for people in the middle east thanks to climate change. Since we're luckier we should do what we can to accept immigrants into our country. My current country is the US and I think the same about here.

Some immigrants will commit crime. They start out in a real shitty situation. But in total I think they are a positive thing. I don't see a cultural threat due to immigrants. Greece has an awesome culture and even if we got millions of immigrants in the country that wouldn't change.

Hell, we get millions of tourists every summer and things work out fine.


Edit:

grammar +

If we're talking Syrian immigrants I had one in my class growing up and he was awesome. I remember one day he gave me some of his food, and even though Greek food is probably the best in the world his stuff was also really, really good. He's cool, he's got tons of friends and still lives in Athens.



are you stupid? among those migrants there are also many hateful racists islamists and other haters, that simply don't want to work at home, a society needs labour to be fruitful for all, refugees aren't necessarily labour they could have also come legaly with a work visa.

europe block off these migrants is also helping the development of those noneuropean countries they came from because their labour actually stays there.
1057  Other / Politics & Society / Re: middle east still full of violent and hateful islamists on: March 02, 2020, 01:52:57 AM
there are differen't types of islamic extremists, and based on their oppinion you can split them into a left and a right wing.
For me I think having them grouped according to their disposition or stand would make the situation way worse because there will innocent that will be caught in the crossfire of religion segregation, if only these people understand the true message of Qur'an then there will be no more problem. If only there is a presence of love for human race then maybe they will open their minds that they can't force their beliefs to others and that their way of preaching their religion is wrong. I know that religion is a very touchy and I myself is not that religious person so I am not that good with these subjects but it makes me interested in the way they practice.

Generally, the words "left and right " have one meaning in the USA, and another meaning across the broader world.

I'm of the opinion they do not well fit the variations of Islam and Islamic extremism.

right -> push your national interest directly based on national demands

left -> back down on your direct national interest in the hope for moral gain.
1058  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Want to fish in our waters - it's easy. on: March 01, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
In my opinion, the united kingdom will never trade with Britain for fishing because not everyone within the UK may be a fisherman. They affect different companies before trading. If the upper countries import it then they will attempt to trade. Also, before the export of fish to the EU in Britain, everyone works as a fisherman.

britain will be like an african country, unable to maintain an industrial fishing fleet they will sell their fishing rights to the japanese, or the chinese. instead of sharing the european seas with their neigbours.
1059  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Afghanistan: US and Taliban Sign Deal Trying To End 18 Year Old War on: March 01, 2020, 01:59:47 PM
There are already problems a day after signing the deal because they Taliban expected 5000 prisoners to be released but the Afghan government has declined saying it was not part of the deal so I wonder what happens next?

it is not possible to end a war with the taliban

Actually is possible. just happened. I think that means they won. Afghanistan for afghans, finally!

taliban are lying to get the prisoners out, then they say that guy signing the treaty was not the true boss etc.

afghans will have to fight to build their society in europe the european taliban (pope) was bordered out.
1060  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Third world China was men begging women to get married. on: March 01, 2020, 12:34:53 PM
could you correct the sentence properly: who is china begging to marry who?

men to women
women to men

or men and women to each other.

"Third world China was men begging women to get married"

is in my oppinion bad englisch.

In proper English I think it is

“In third world China, it was men who are begging women to get married.”

But it was too long to fit into the title words count limitation.

I hope it didn’t lead to a total comprehensive nightmare?

i think you should simply say,

Third world country china, men are begging women desperately for marriage

or simply:

in china men have to beg women for marriage
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