I am not that convinced about this forest planting theory. Trees do absorb carbon from the atmosphere. But they store the carbon in their wood and release it when they die. Also, in my area I have seen a lot of grasslands being converted to artificial forests. They are disrupting the natural ecology by doing this. The ecosystem that existed earlier won't be able to survive once the trees are planted.
It's interesting how on this thread many have asserted the goodness of planting trees, but not one has made an effort to prove it. |
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... You're trying to narrow the problem down to where you've got the artificial moral dilemma that was your initial intent.
But others have pointed out various alternatives. This is important, because it illustrates that situations are seldom black or white, and there is almost always a third way. In the real world these sorts of alternatives are very important, because they are a way out of a zero-sum game.
I'm with the OP here. It's artificial and constrained not because it's a flawed representation of reality, but rather because it's a hypothetical and simplified situation set up to enable us to explore moral choices and the reasoning behind them. Trying to turn it into reality misses the point; it's like refusing to play a game of Cluedo because the owner of the mansion was an idiot who didn't set up a CCTV system. Virtually all economic and technological progress has been based on the finding of ways OUT OF ZERO SUM GAMES, not ways to play them. Why is Europe not a warring feuding bunch of small warlords today, each of whom could only better itself by war on its neighbors? Throwing the psychology prof under the trolley is certainly a valid option. |
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Why is planting a tree not a good thing now?
Of course, it's good....
No, it's not. Planting cactus is good. |
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(A) You're part and parcel of the nation that tortured Turing.
(B) By post modern historical revisionism you share that guilt
(C) Fuck you.
(D) Now STFU, go into the corner and meditate over your guilt.
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So you won't share the guilt of how England handled Turing, but you want to lecture others? >>>Incomprehensible word salad deleted >>> usually you seem to be one of the few that can hold a good worthy debate..... I've determined that when you are upset, you rant without making sense. Or is it if you don't have your pills? No matter. At this point it's firmly established that you do want to sternly lecture others on THEIR white guilt, but you don't want to acknowledge YOURS. ^ad hominem attack Deleting the text of someone spewing incomprehensible word salad, a treasured trait of monkey brained midget minions of your liberal prancing puppet people, is not an ad hominem. |
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(A) You're part and parcel of the nation that tortured Turing.
(B) By post modern historical revisionism you share that guilt
(C) Fuck you.
(D) Now STFU, go into the corner and meditate over your guilt.
....ad hominem deleted...
So you won't share the guilt of how England handled Turing, but you want to lecture others? >>>Incomprehensible word salad deleted >>> usually you seem to be one of the few that can hold a good worthy debate..... I've determined that when you are upset, you rant without making sense. Or is it if you don't have your pills? No matter. At this point it's firmly established that you do want to sternly lecture others on THEIR white guilt, but you don't want to acknowledge YOURS. |
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I learned that a well constructed forest doesn't need a lot of nurturing.
Like the ones nature puts various places all by itself. FYI each of those trees might sequester 80 lb of co2, so to offset a human you'd need several hundred. |
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That's some big ideology and assumption from the dilemma but think about this. This dilemma talks about who can you save, meaning the workers are not working for the broken tracks like you mentioned, instead of just a description to the persons directly involved in the problem. This goes the same for the 1 worker on the other track.
Also the problem didn't mention anything about the passengers of the trolley, so we can assume that it carries cargo and equipment instead of a human passenger. Ergo, the inside of the trolley can be disregarded in this situation.
Now for the main story, the workers (5 person and 1 person) are unexplainably won't be able to get away from the track for some various reasons we can come up by ourselves. But lets just assume that they really can't get away from the track.
So what choice would you choose? save the 1 person indirectly involved in the scenario, or move the lever and kill that uninvolved person just to save the 5 workers who are directly involve no matter what you choose.
No, let's not. You're trying to narrow the problem down to where you've got the artificial moral dilemma that was your initial intent. But others have pointed out various alternatives. This is important, because it illustrates that situations are seldom black or white, and there is almost always a third way. In the real world these sorts of alternatives are very important, because they are a way out of a zero-sum game. |
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(A) You're part and parcel of the nation that tortured Turing.
(B) By post modern historical revisionism you share that guilt
(C) Fuck you.
(D) Now STFU, go into the corner and meditate over your guilt.
So you won't share the guilt of how England handled Turing, but you want to lecture others? who the hell was Turing? it wasn't England that handled him it was for sure individuals acting in the name of the british crown, with their limited ressources and their human failings and limitations, all humans have failings and limitations. human rights are being given by god, in the first place anyone else can just draw some colors around it but not truly do the difference Who the hell was Turing?  Created the modern computer, cracked the German Enigma during ww2, was severely punished by the British legal system for being gay, and most likely was assassinated by Britain. Few in the world knew as many secrets as he did. |
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as far as I know, that's good, because the tree's job is to keep the heat from the sun...
try to pay attention to areas that have a few trees will definitely feel hot. planting more trees can prevent global warming which is getting worse every year, if the trees are cut down and not planted again, global warming will accelerate, thus making the ice in the north and south poles melt faster.
CO2 could rather easily be taken out of the atmosphere at the South Pole. Six months of winter there, the temp hovers in the mid -70s. The freezing point of co2 is -108F. Hence a simple blower and an expansion Venturi would have co2 dropping out as snow. Or skip the blower and use the force of the adiabatic winds. |
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commmon ... poor bill gates , vilified , while the real villain zukerburg play the dumb
I had not thought of that connection, that's a good one. |
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(A) You're part and parcel of the nation that tortured Turing.
(B) By post modern historical revisionism you share that guilt
(C) Fuck you.
(D) Now STFU, go into the corner and meditate over your guilt.
....ad hominem deleted...
So you won't share the guilt of how England handled Turing, but you want to lecture others? |
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Critical race theory is a big one that's new. It's pretty much based on this idea that all white people have some sort of bias, aka racism, and college departments are adopting this sort of theory.
See Ibram X Kendi's "anti racist" department at Boston University...
It's not new at all. https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/10/05/critical-race-theory-n261491You’ve likely heard the phrase “critical race theory” thrown around quite a bit lately, usually associated with the Black Lives Matter movement.
Frankly, I’m surprised that we are hearing about it so often. Critical race theory is a concept talked amongst Marxists openly, but they typically like to keep that idea under wraps for the general public. Giving something a name allows for identification, and while the hard-left would love you to experience the effects of what they do, they don’t want you to be able to identify what it is they’re doing, where the idea came from, or what their endgame is. |
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all thats changing is who to hate. not the hate itself
Wai... Are you being taught to just hate your white selves and not guys like Turing? nah.. i personally just hate ... (A) You're part and parcel of the nation that tortured Turing. (B) By post modern historical revisionism you share that guilt (C) Fuck you. (D) Now STFU, go into the corner and meditate over your guilt. |
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Select the track that is safest for the trolley. If 5 people are working on a track, it might mean that, that part of the track needs to be fixed because they all know that the trolley is coming that way. They will have prepared to get out of the way when the trolley comes through. But they need to get the track done to save the trolley. On the other hand, one worker on a track might mean that, that section of track is not in need of much repair, and would be safer for the trolley in its unrepaired condition. On another hand, workers might have been pulled off the one-worker track - even though it might be in worse repair - and moved to the five-worker track because that was the way the trolley was scheduled to travel. Why save the trolley? Because there are 100 people on the trolley. Get them where they paid to go in the safest way possible. Why not worry about the workers? Workers all know about working on tracks that trolleys ride. They are prepared to jump out of the way.  Moral of the story: If it's a psych student at the track switch, everyone's in deep shit. The only thing worse would be to have a psych prof at the track switch. Instruct the student's to throw him under the trolley. |
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all thats changing is who to hate. not the hate itself
Wai... Are you being taught to just hate your white selves and not guys like Turing? |
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Easy there, lets stick to the question, and continue this discussion.
Ha, sorry. There's a joke in there about derailing the thread  So why would you divert the trolley?, cause if you pull the lever to save the 5 workers, the other one would die because of your action alone, and that will be your sore responsibility.
Because not acting is an active choice. You can't simply not act and claim that you weren't involved, so it wasn't your problem. .... Actually, yes you certainly can. Consider that people working on and around train tracks, if they want to stay alive, need to keep an eye out for incoming trains. Five pairs of eyes might seem to have more of a chance to see the hazard, but then they could all be thinking the others were keeping a lookout. Meanwhile the lone guy on the other tracks knows he's got to watch out for himself. |
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I’m stunned to read that Trump apparently wants Republican battleground states to ignore the will ...
of the people
of the Dominion voting machines manipulated by the evil minions of George Soros....
Fixed it for you. LOL. Are we acting like these systems weren't used in certain areas that Trump won as well? Is there a reason that these voting machines worked in areas that Trump won and didn't work in areas that Trump lost? -.... For decades the saying has been that for a Republican to win against a Democrat, "his vote margin must be outside the bounds of corruption." |
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If you were forced to make a decision, what are the arguments for not intervening and trying to do the least amount of damage? It's easy to say you would do nothing, but why not step in and reduce the loss of life?
Wait... The five whose lives are at risk, are they lawyers? If so the "do-nothing" choice is the clear and simple answer. |
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As some users have pointed out, planting trees is good (no surprises there)...
Others have pointed out contrary facts. |
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LOL we all appreciate you riding a narrative there.
We'll see what the court arguments are before taking the word of random Internet posters as to what the President's "best decision" might be.
Is it not loking like what I suggested that Trump had to forget his pride and concede defeat? He was beaten flat by Biden and he should embrace his defeat like true patron of the country. It does not matter whether things are looking as you suggested. Not at all. What matters is what happens during the recounts and the court process. That is in progress and is certainly not complete. |
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