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481  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 05, 2020, 02:48:32 AM
....appointing pence to run as president and his daughter as the vp.

I could actually vote for that ticket.

I'd see that as a strong ticket, but with two relatively unknown persons. However, "two relatively unknown" on a ticket is what the Dems should have done this time around. They didn't and have two with known issues.

But from the point of view of identity politics, Ivanka wouldn't qualify...
482  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black Crimes Matter on: October 05, 2020, 02:41:43 AM

These terms such as racism and white supremacy, hate speech, white privilege are generally so broad and encompass so many different things and scenarios to so many different people they are now of little real value or use. Same for woke, radical left etc

These terms are usually thrown in when people shy away from deep debate.
They are used to immediately cast aside opposing views. Almost like an immediate condemnation and alleged debunking of opposing  opinions that requires no analysis or debate.

I don't even recognize such terms. Either bring a specific example of what you are referring to and prove that your opinion is conclusively more optimal that my own. Or accept my views are as valid and correct or nearer to optimal than your own.


Just because the terms are over used doesn't mean they shouldn't be recognized.

.....

Not just over used, but their definitions and generality are being changed progressively.

That's what progressives do, right? Create progressive change?

There should not be any problem with asking exactly a debate opponent means in a question or assertion.
483  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 05, 2020, 01:34:46 AM
But what I'm seeing is lots of Trump signs, and where there's a Demo sign in a yard? 4/5 times it's some local or state candidate. The 5th time it's a Biden/C sign.

Why would that be, do you think?
You mean like yard signs and Trump flags?  That means there are a lot of Trump supporters in the area that want other people to know who they support.

You're a Sanders advocate, Biden can't be that interesting to you. You weren't a Sanders advocate from Trump hate, I'm sure.
I'm not a Bernie bro, I just have TDS.  If it were up to me I would've gone with Buttigieg.  


Buttigieg was about the only sane voice in that primary. I didn't study him in depth, knowing he'd be kicked out early. So I don't even know his inclinations re issues, just my impression from watching a couple of those stupid debates.

No, I wasn't referring to the Trump signs, but the Demo ones. It's curious that there are a lot for local and state candidates, but not very many at all for Biden.

RE TDS Trump's never been the "likable" candidate. In the business world that's the way it is, but in politics there's a lot of pretty faces and resonating, captivating voices. Often completely empty upstairs behind the voice and face.
484  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 05, 2020, 01:31:06 AM
Actually I was familiar with Trump before anything like the POTUS came up.

Me too.  He's definitely good at what he does, I got totally duped into thinking his wealth was a result of him being a good business man. 

Any one else familiar with Trump before the POTUS thing came up?

Other casino owners had a pretty low opinion of Trump, but that wasn't shared in the general hospitality industries.

But that's old stuff. What's relevant today is he does work eighteen hour days, seven days a week. He gets a lot of stuff done that way.
485  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 05, 2020, 12:45:23 AM

At his worst, Trump's work output will be six times Biden at his best. Trump has always worked from about 6am to midnight, seven days a week.

I know right... when he's not hard at work on the golf course
he's working full time tweeting nonsense and blathering on like a moron who won't shut up
on Fox and Friends ...the show watched mainly by his ignorant base, because thats not fake news.

Dude I get it... you are a right wing conservative republican.
I dont get how someone as intelligent as you can support the embarrassing idiot we have as potus, regardless of your ideology.

Actually I was familiar with Trump before anything like the POTUS came up. Read some discussions about him by Steve Winn, another by the corporate pilot, etc.

Look, it's totally not my fault Biden's such a weak candidate.
486  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 05, 2020, 12:36:13 AM
....
Perhaps you should propose a new law, that capitalists cannot run for the job of POTUS?

Smiley

I'd be fine with a law that requires a full, public financial disclosure in order to be considered for POTUS.

All the evidence pointing to Trump being a criminal...

we don't know who owns his debt...

It could very easily be ....

 - and he's already proven he sees nothing wrong with abusing his power...

Okay, nice that you get to vent a bit I guess.

But what I'm seeing is lots of Trump signs, and where there's a Demo sign in a yard? 4/5 times it's some local or state candidate. The 5th time it's a Biden/C sign.

Why would that be, do you think? You're a Sanders advocate, Biden can't be that interesting to you. You weren't a Sanders advocate from Trump hate, I'm sure.

487  Other / Politics & Society / Re: California to consider slavery reparations after landmark law passed on: October 04, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
Eddie, it was the The Slavery Abolition Act 1833 passed in London, Great Britain which kicked started something which within 6 years would abolish slavery inside the whole of the British Empire (except 2 occupied lands).

Many years later there were laws passed in many US states holding up slavery as acceptable so the USA was not most responsible for the worldwide end of slavery, the primary factor seems to be the British Empire.....

Bah. Law prohibiting importation of slaves in the USA was in 1808. We are all glad though that you guys followed suit.


issues i see
1. proving the decendants
2. proving the original slave was not compensated when they were freed

There is a lot of intermarriage nowadays in the United States. A few months back, I read a statistic claiming that more than 30% of the black births are to mothers who are not black themselves. So in case a child is born to a father, who is a descendant of a slave and a mother, who is descendant of a slave-owner, will he/she be eligible for reparations? Also, blacks were not the only group to be enslaved. Asians, Whites (especially Irish and Slavs) as well as Native Amerindians were enslaved in the recorded history. Are their descendants eligible for reparations?

Obviously the cost in lives lost on the Union side during the Civil Wart to free the slaves will have to be charged against fund in reparations for those freed. What shall the cost per life of these brave soldiers be calculated at? Even if it was limited to California residents who enlisted in the Union, that was about 16,000 men. How will we insure the payment to their descendants?

Aside from the lives lost, there was an enormous materials and supplies cost by the Union. This should also be paid.

In other cases, the selfless gift of freedom to blacks by whites will have to be considered. That would be the loss of a titled asset worth considerable money. It's long overdue for these whites to be recognized for their courageous gift and for their descendants to get reparations for this monetary loss?

Finally, did California truly do their fair share for the Union or did they actually shirk their duty? Democrats caused a lot of trouble in California, fighting for the continuation of slavery and secession from the Union. For which the Union incurred substantial costs and which no doubt prolonged the nation wide valiant struggles of the Civil War.

"Democrats had dominated the state from its inception, and Southern Democrats were sympathetic to secession. Although they were a minority in the state, they had become a majority in Southern California..."

"Southern California, with a majority of discontented Californios and Southern secessionists, had already voted for a separate Territorial government and formed militia units, but were kept from secession after Fort Sumter by Federal troops.."


How should California be charged so that this all can be made right? To the extent California's Democrats delayed the end of the Civil War, they were responsible for delaying the freedom of All Slaves for that length of time...

Although nothing can truly correct these terrible injustices, how much should California pay us in reparations so that their dark and shameful past is made right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_in_the_American_Civil_War

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/California_in_the_Civil_War

Of course, over 9,000 Americans were impressed into the British Navy until we forced that unjust slavery to be stopped. A fair number of these were from California.

In 1795, the Jay Treaty went into effect, addressing many issues left unresolved after the American Revolution, and averting a renewed conflict. However, the treaty's neglect to address British impressment of sailors from American ships and ports became a major cause of complaint among those who disapproved of it. While non-British subjects were not impressed, Britain did not recognize naturalised American citizenship, and treated anyone born a British subject as still "British"; as a result, the Royal Navy impressed over 9,000 sailors who claimed to be American citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment#Conflict_with_the_United_States

Reparations should be due for the dark and shameful actions of Britain. Direct to California. Other US states can follow suit.

The same reparations model can be used for the dark and shameful behavior of Britain toward its Gurkha Soldiers.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/betrayal-of-the-gurkhas-soldiers-denied-the-right-to-live-here-hand-medals-back-7301778.html

488  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 04, 2020, 08:57:58 PM
Two Republican senators and three White House journalists have tested positive. There is a significant overlap between who got these recent positive tests and participants of Barrett's nomination announcement last Saturday. Barrett herself tested negative and there are reports that she had COVID-19 and recovered a few weeks ago.
If Barrett had it and has since recovered, someone in her household may have brought it to the White House.

Trump has been hospitalized: https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/president-donald-trump-walter-reed-coronavirus/index.html

He was walking to the chopper so this doesn't seem like an emergency.
When the leader of the free world has a potentially deadly virus, it is best for him to be in a situation in which he is closely monitored, and that doctors can act quickly in case his situation deteriorates. Trump is continuing to work while in the Hospital, and put out a video saying that he is feeling better.

At his worst, Trump's work output will be six times Biden at his best. Trump has always worked from about 6am to midnight, seven days a week.
489  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 04, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
I understand what you mean but even if the timing of these informations being released by the media bit by bit is questionable, the fact remains the incidents did take place.....

@JollyGood whether Ivanka is guilty or not, how come such news comes out only during the election year, and most notably just a month before the elections are supposed to take place. ...


Perhaps you should propose a new law, that capitalists cannot run for the job of POTUS?

Smiley
490  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS 2020: Michael Moore says Trump on course to win ! on: October 03, 2020, 02:06:44 AM
The voter turnout is going to be at record low levels for this election. Apart from the COVID 19 pandemic, there are opinion polls which claim that a large part of the American population is not supporting either of the two candidates. Some may go out and vote for third party candidates as a protest, but the vast majority will simply abstain from voting.

Even with the pandemic, they're expecting record setting voter turn out.  Over 1 million people have already voted, at this point in 2016 that number was less than 10k.

What a show of sock-puppets this time!
491  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 02, 2020, 10:12:04 PM
....
read the actual facts. 'hundreds' a few thousand is ....

Try to tone down the complete asshole appearance a bit.

You claimed that count was of criminal vote violations, I showed that it was of CASES, and many were for quite a few illegal and fake voters.

Then you try misdirect.

You were ridiculously wrong, didn't even look at the links. That's sloppy and that will get you proven wrong.

Have a nice day.
492  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 02, 2020, 09:46:12 PM
There is nothing wrong with receiving consulting fees while being an employee, unless the employee agreement specifically bans such a thing.
Yeah, in this case there is. If there were nothing wrong with it then there would be no reason for any company to pay any taxes ever.

You're only saying that because it was Trump who did it....

Would you please look up some facts before posting obligatory left think?

The corporate tax rate is way, WAY lower than the personal tax rate, so the US gets more income from taxing Ivanka than the corporate entity.
493  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 02, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
There is nothing wrong with receiving consulting fees while being an employee, unless the employee agreement specifically bans such a thing.
Yeah, in this case there is. If there were nothing wrong with it then there would be no reason for any company to pay any taxes ever.

You're only saying that because it was Trump who did it.



....
“...this payment may have criminal repercussions that are more significant. If she knowingly accepted this money and did it with any understanding that it was in order to evade taxes, and then her father signed the tax returns knowingly, both of them could have criminal liability. So I don’t think it’s a small thing that can just be written off as: “Oh well, it’s too bad that she made this mistake.’”[/color]
...
(big yawn)

This is over the border into the idiotic realm.

She apparently received “consulting fees” paid by the Trump Organization, helping reduce the Trump family’s tax bill, while she was simultaneously an employee of the organization.

Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees
There is nothing wrong with receiving consulting fees while being an employee, unless the employee agreement specifically bans such a thing.

These people are all in the highest tax bracket, so there would be no net gain in moving money from one to the other.

The fact that they make more than ~$550k/year (which puts them in the highest tax bracket) doesn't mean the tax laws don't apply to them.  What a silly idea.

I did not say that. But another aspect of this is inconsistent with the narrative, and you might just find it amusing.

Trump, paying 750$ only, gives Ivanka a consulting job and she gets 3/4 a million, and almost certainly pays tax on it. (Unless she has some partial ownership of the hotel empire, that's where the big tax deductions from depreciation and section 179 come which can easily shelter high income....but I have never heard that to be so.)

So tax is paid... that's the way the system works...
494  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 02, 2020, 06:20:07 PM
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He may not have the authority, but that's not stopped him trying things before. If he thinks he's going to lose - and he's already lined up 'fraudulent' postal votes as an excuse ...
He actually didn't 'line up fraudulent postal votes..."

The Democrats are doing that.

And he's not the only one reporting it.

trump googled examples of people finding a dozen pieces of paper.. and exaggerated it into a big opposition ploy of millions of vote miscounts that can affect the tally of ~130mill votes
sorry but a couple dozen lost pieces of paper does not amount to a election fruad
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

when 130m vote and you show me 1300 cases.. thats not even a 1%.. heck not even 0.1% nor 0.01% .. but its 0.001%

so if trump wants to think the election can be rigged becasue of a 0.001% sway in count.. then that is a massive exaggeration

if there was a 10% fraud.. he'd have a point. but finger pointing 0.001% is 10,000x exaggeration of the impact voter fraud has
Read the facts and understand before blabbing garbage. The convictions are NOT typically for single vote frauds.

For example,

"Louis Wise was involved in a scheme that offered cigarettes and money to homeless people on Skid Row in exchange for fake signatures on ballot initiatives and voter registration forms. This resulted in hundreds of fraudulent signatures. He pleaded no contest to one felony count of subscribing a fictitious name, or the name of another to an initiative petition and registration of a fictitious person. He was sentenced to a suspended sentence of 16 months in state prison and three years of formal probation."

495  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ivanka Trump Implicated in NY Times Published Tax Scandal on: October 02, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
....
“...this payment may have criminal repercussions that are more significant. If she knowingly accepted this money and did it with any understanding that it was in order to evade taxes, and then her father signed the tax returns knowingly, both of them could have criminal liability. So I don’t think it’s a small thing that can just be written off as: “Oh well, it’s too bad that she made this mistake.’”[/color]
...
(big yawn)

This is over the border into the idiotic realm.

She apparently received “consulting fees” paid by the Trump Organization, helping reduce the Trump family’s tax bill, while she was simultaneously an employee of the organization.

Trump’s private records show that his company once paid $747,622 in fees


There is nothing wrong with receiving consulting fees while being an employee, unless the employee agreement specifically bans such a thing.

These people are all in the highest tax bracket, so there would be no net gain in moving money from one to the other.
496  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 02, 2020, 05:13:17 PM
....
He may not have the authority, but that's not stopped him trying things before. If he thinks he's going to lose - and he's already lined up 'fraudulent' postal votes as an excuse ...
He actually didn't 'line up fraudulent postal votes..."

The Democrats are doing that.

And he's not the only one reporting it.

trump googled examples of people finding a dozen pieces of paper.. and exaggerated it into a big opposition ploy of millions of vote miscounts that can affect the tally of ~130mill votes
sorry but a couple dozen lost pieces of paper does not amount to a election fruad
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud
497  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump Paid Just $750 taxes in 2016 and 2017 ! on: October 02, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
There is absolutely nothing stopping anybody releasing their tax returns while the audit with the IRS is going on.
....

Yeah, that's you trying to push someone else into doing something.

You can ask nicely.

Naw, leftists would rather sue to get them, or outright steal them.

Ah, you don't approve of the democrats not being nice and filing so many lawsuits.  Makes sense that you found a home in the Trump cult.
There's really not much to be proud of in the behavior of the corrupt political and power system we loosely refer to as "the Democrats" for the last four years.

Perhaps there were times when the Republicans were similarly corrupt and the Democrats were not, and perhaps there were times when both were, or neither was.

We'd have to EXCLUDE all the historical decades when the Democrats were the party of slavery, the KKK, and of white supremacy. We'd also certainly have to exclude the Obama years, when Chicago style corruption was brought to Washington.

That leaves a period from about 1960 to 2008 for consideration.
498  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump and Wife Tested Positive For Covid19 a STAGE SHOW? on: October 02, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
Donald Trump and his wife the First Lady have tested positive for covid19 and are both in quarantine according to his official Twitter account. But there are so many rumors, opinions, and narrative going on like;

1. Maybe he staged the show as an excuse to wear a mask.

2. Maybe he is trying to dodge the ongoing presidential debates

3. maybe he wants to boast about the covid19 trying to pass a message like "I had it, it wasn't that bad, I lived with it and  I survived" as part of the campaign strategies.

4. Maybe it's just a piece of distraction to go low from the media.

5. Maybe just maybe

Your opinion??


Given that virtually everyone is destined to get covid-19, why bother with the conspiracy theories?
499  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 02, 2020, 04:55:16 PM
....
He may not have the authority, but that's not stopped him trying things before. If he thinks he's going to lose - and he's already lined up 'fraudulent' postal votes as an excuse ...
He actually didn't 'line up fraudulent postal votes..."

The Democrats are doing that.

And he's not the only one reporting it.
500  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump has Coronavirus :( on: October 02, 2020, 03:54:32 PM
<...>
even if i do not like him - get well quickly! Smiley
That's so nice of you. Smiley

But this just means that no matter who you are, if you're not careful enough, there's a big chance that you'll get the virus. No exceptions.

I'm may not be an American citizen and I may not like him, too, but I just hope that they get well soon. As well as those who have been in contact with him and his wife.

On the positive side, Trump can now tell the American people that they don't have to worry about him catching coronavirus during his 2nd term. He'll already be past that!!
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