And so this is a perfect example of the issues that are truly at stake. Taken from a letter sent from faculty to the highers up at Princeton university. 11. Constitute a committee composed entirely of faculty that would oversee the investigation and discipline of racist behaviors, incidents, research, and publication on the part of faculty, following a protocol for grievance and appeal to be spelled out in Rules and Procedures of the Faculty. Guidelines on what counts as racist behavior, incidents, research, and publication will be authored by a faculty committee for incorporation into the same set of rules and procedures.
In other words, they want to be able to decide whether or not research and the resulting studies etc can/should be done/published based on whatever they decide may or may not be racist. But as we're seeing, what is "racist" is being redefined so can and will include a whole range of things. Given what the "Grievance studies affair" was uncovering, that ultimately will mean only studies/publications that adhere to certain ideology will be approved. This is basically what Evergreen showed was happening to universities 3 years ago. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfPmfeDKBi25_7rUTKkhZ3cyMICQicp05ReVaeBpEdYUCkyIA/viewformPrinceton may not be capable of judging themselves as racist or not racist; in fact, non of these "woke universities" are capable of such a thing. Here is a body of research studying this problem with a historical perspective. That can never be done immersed in the current culture, as is shown by the historical perspective. https://www.npr.org/2017/11/12/563606255/princetons-involvement-with-slavery |
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what if i told you that covid actually caused more people to need hospital care than a normal 'flu season' does.. and thats numbers even with lockdown restrictions reducing the infection rate.
what if i told you n95 masks filter out over 95% of pathogens. but a cloth mask is only 20%
and distance dilutes the amount the further you are....
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as for the coffee shop economics.. where your risking health just for the 'boost the economy' stuff
maybe try to find a quiet independant coffee shop that offers wifi. instead of these big national chains.
in short 'shop local'
If you told me that stuff? I'd ask not what your precautions based on your fear factors were, but what's your end game? Because (A) you certainly haven't offered it (B) I might not agree with it (C) you probably don't have a well thought out, or thought out at all, end game. Without that end game strategy, NONE of your comments make any bit of sense whatsoever. |
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Some funny info about them arresting her. i.e. she had wrapped her phone in tin foil. ~
This isn't the first time I've heard of foil wrapping. Is it really a way to muffle all signals and is there any difference between this method and simply turning off the mobile phone? Yes. If it's on, it's communicating and giving out it's location, If it's off, it can be remotely turned on and then, well, it's on, and reporting. |
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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.
Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though. I think it has been intentional. The number of people that were arrested while rioting being let off basically without consequence solidifies this argument. ... I can certainly see a Democratic mayor taking marching orders from a Democratic congresswoman whose district is basically that mayor's city. And can see her calling in to help her fellow Marxists at BLM. Bingo, riots in larger Democratic controlled cities. ...
Also, as mentioned above, pinning Floyd to the ground, including his head was not a means to protect the officers from Floyd, it was a means to protect Floyd from himself. Keep in mind that Floyd had apparently just intentionally slammed his head against the glass in the police car, intentionally harming himself.
What, Facts Lives Matter? How many ways do you spell "ORCHESTRATED?" We had Airport Security Theater, then COVID_Theater, now Riot_Theater. |
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....Clinton lost a lot of influence after MeToo stared. As we have seen in the past few years, the FBI is influenced by the Democratic Party, and their interests. Epstein also appears to have operated largely in cities long controlled by Democrats. It is also possible that Epstein was able to remain free in part by getting politicians to stop investigations before they got underway and would receive any “tips” or complaints about Epstein, and stopped any investigations, somewhat similar to someone closing their eyes to not see any wrongdoing.
From the beginning of civilization, one of the most common vices was pay-for-sex and all it's variations. A pedophile/procuress couple acting as pimps for the powerful and wealthy? I don't buy it. In most cities in the world, for money, sex of any sort can be had. For the kind of money these people have, very quickly and easily. There's something else at play here, and sex is just the cover story. |
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I'm back on the notebook in Morrison'd cafe, and I've got a power socket. The netbook is fine for social posting, but it is a bit restrictive for web site maintenance. Things have changed now. There is a restricted menu, and the tables have plastic partitions between them, and tables are for groups of two of four. Only one person from a party is allowed to pay as well. There are only half as many tables as before, and not many people are using the restaurant at the moment, which is just as well, as there are only 2 staff members to do everything.
Most other places are take away only, and Costa only accept contactless payments, so that blows them out for me. I'll never use contactless, and I modified the one card I had when the bank refused to provide a non-contactless card. I drilled a small hole through the connection to the aerial inside the card. Things are still a bit paranoid, as you have to ask for a serviette. This is in case somebody has touched it before you get it, although the gloveless staff hand you your serviettes.
I'll explore a few others, as I believe Wetherspoon's is now open for coffee, but I think they have a more complex system for ordering and payment. I think I read that you have to install their app, and pay with your phone. That another place that I won't be able to use.
One of the staff memebers has just tripped over the base of one of the lane barriers that they are using. She crashed down whilst carrying a pile of trays, but doesn't seem to have any serious injuries. It shows that there is far more collateral damage as a result of the misguided restrictions that government's are imposing on business and the public. The coronavirus is a fairly minor virus infection - I believe it is ranked at 36 in the severity list, The banker's desire to use it to crash economies and fiat currencies are the real problems, and seem to be taking more lives than the virus.
@Jet Cash I’m not sure why you took a risk of going to a cafe but in my personal opinion you should avoid going out unless it’s absolutely necessary, and I’m saying this because now it’s confirmed that covid spreads through air. Further if I’m correct you’re from UK and your own country expert has warned that covid stays in the air for one hour, and if you yet decide to step out despite this fact, then please use a face shield along with masks and gloves.
Coronavirus can survive in the air for more than an hour, a top UK Government scientific adviser has warned.
“You go indoors for the cool, just as in the northeast and other cool places you go in for the warmth in winter, so you’re less socially distanced,” says Edward Nardell, MD, professor of environmental health and immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “You’re more likely to be touching the same surfaces that have been contaminated by people speaking and coughing etc.,” he says.
Sources: https://www.9news.com.au/health/coronavirus-airborne-particles-survive-one-hour-warns-uk-expert/9e1244c8-21b2-454d-b548-cba93c11d4d5https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200708/air-conditioning-may-be-spreading-covidhttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/face-shields-qatar-airways/index.htmlhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/11/government-preparing-ease-restrictions-using-public-transport/Just think in terms of virii particles per cubic meter, and it's clear that outside, anywhere except jammed in a crowd, is very safe, and inside, anywhere, is likely unsafe. I'm glad you have some places open, give them money and help keep them in business. Some won't survive. |
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Would really have made sense if Maxwell (and Epstein) had dead mans switches to release all of this information if they were to go poof -- like Maxwell is to be soon, and we all already know the fate of Epstein.
I would find this unlikely because it would remove any leverage they have once they get arrested. My guess is they had a fairly small number of high-level politicians in their pocket that could call in political favors to drop investigations, or reduce charges. DAs often work in relative secret, and oftentimes their investigations are not public until charges are brought. The influences that Epstein had extended well beyond twenty years. It's only after the rise of the "me-too" movement that he was jailed and then murdered. But twenty years? What politicians would those be? Clinton is one obvious one, but what others? |
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The key difference is the national guard was not called into Minnesota, but rather, a police station was abandoned, which made the situation worse. My guess is this was intentional.
Good points. For me, anytime it's a toss up between stupidity and intentional, I'll err on the side of stupidity, though. But here, it certainly is odd that no news media has mentioned that the George Floyd events occurred in the Congressional district of the very anti-American Rep. Ilhan Omar. |
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Maxwell was wired into the upper levels of NY society, attended all the social functions and such. Of course she would have met Trump. But he's not the kind of person that needs these conniving pimps, and he didn't have any reason to head off to an island to get women.
If you want to figure out what went on, what the scheme was, you'll have to look past Trump for sure.
again.. i know he is your president and you want to auto defend him... You'll just have to go back and look at events in New York City between 1990 and 1996 to comprehend all this. There's really no way to look at today's "powerful people" and try to wedge them back into the script. Here's just one example. One of many. Epstein got a 77M mansion in NY City....for free. From Wexler. How'd that happen, exactly? ... he does love women and there is obviously something deeper that maxwell/epstein have that kept trump coming back for more
He didn't "keep coming back." But some British royalty most certainly did. What did Epstein pry out of them? Was thinking about it and by using that defense isn't she implicitly admitting she's a co-conspirator?
No. That kind of agreement would have been written more like agreements where a company pays someone a large sum but "admits no wrongdoing or liability." Regardless, the agreement doesn't apply. This is a different place and a different case. |
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The crap that has gone on with Epstein just sickens me. The people that let him go in the first place need to be strung up by their balls with piano wire. "Ghislane Maxwell's lawyers are telling the court they intend to challenge the charges against her on the theory that they violate the past 2007 non-prosecution agreement with Epstein" https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1282420849119821824/photo/1It's true, there was such an agreement. I'm finding the power and money plays here more interesting than any of the sex gaming. |
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I know there is some infighting in regards to if Trump / Clinton is involved here. Honestly we'll probably never find out, but I really just want everyone who was involved to get the justice they deserve. I'm not putting politics over this horrible pedophile ring. If Trump was involved, I hope he suffers in Prison. Same thing for the Clintons, Obama, etc.
I don't think this plot is going to revolve around sex with underaged girls, whether with or without consent. It's going to revolve around the way blackmailing people with video recordings of them in underage sex or bizarre sex led to Epstein amassing billions of dollars. Billions. It seems to me that Trump has been pretty straight forward about himself and Epstein. In contrast, Bill Clinton got a free pass for EVERY thing he did with women. As they say, "Follow the money." That doesn't seem to lead anywhere with Trump. Here is one account of their interactions. Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.
“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.
The filing is dated April 2011, well before Trump ascended to the presidency.
The same filing also cites an underage Jane Doe’s allegation that Epstein’s girlfriend-turned-pal Ghislane Maxwell recruited her at Mar-a-Lago to be the couple’s “sex slave.”
Trump has previously praised Epstein as a “terrific guy” and, according to the filing, Epstein once welcomed Trump aboard his private plane, hosted him in his Palm Beach home and had 14 phone numbers for Trump in a computer directory.
But the president on Tuesday distanced himself from the freshly arrested, convicted pedophile.
“I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him,” Trump told reporters at the White House of Epstein during an appearance with Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani. “I had a falling out a long time ago, I’d say maybe 15 years.
“I was not a fan of his, that I can tell you.”https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/ |
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What you're suggesting is that we should decriminalize criminal negligence based on who the victim is or what they were doing.
Think about that for a bit. Look up the word negligent if you need to. Yes, that is literally the existing criminal and to a lesser extent civil law on negligence. I am going to quote this again, maybe you will read it this time. Vehicular homicide is a thing and that's what you can get charged with if you go the wrong way (or do something similarly reckless with your car) and kill someone. A ticket is what you get when you're pulled over before killing someone.
The problem with your logic is that fault does not rest on the driver alone. If a bicycler was on a restricted highway for example, they would share some if not all of the liability. These roadways are restricted form pedestrians for a reason. Even on non-restricted roadways, if a person crosses the street outside of a crosswalk, they are legally seen to have partial if not full liability for any injuries. You are also glossing over the fact that the driver did not cause injury while in the act of driving negligently. You argue the road was closed, but it was not officially closed, but "attempted" to be closed as an emergency protective measure for the people violating the law by blocking it. You seem to want to hold the driver fully responsible when the "protestors" made the most significant contributions towards making themselves unsafe. "Criminal Negligence Law and Legal DefinitionCriminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence." https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/criminal-negligence/"Contributory Negligence The concept of contributory negligence is used to characterize conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to one's self. The idea is that an individual has a duty to act as a reasonable person. When a person does not act this way and injury occurs, that person may be held entirely or partially responsible for the resulting injury, even though another party was involved in the accident.For example, Dave, a motorist, strikes Sally, a pedestrian who was crossing the street without carefully checking traffic or heeding the warning of the do-not-cross sign of the nearby streetlight. Who's at fault in this situation?After an injured party files a negligence claim, the defendant (the person sued) may then assert a contributory negligence claim against the plaintiff (the person bringing the lawsuit), effectively stating that the injury occurred at least partially as a result of the plaintiff's own actions. This would be a contributory negligence counterclaim, a common defense to negligence claims.If the defendant is able to prove the contributory negligence claim, the plaintiff may be totally barred from recovering damages or her damages may be reduced to reflect her role in the resulting injury. The pedestrian in the example, Sally, probably would be considered at least partially at fault (and therefore liable for contributory negligence) for carelessly crossing the street. Comparative Negligence Most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach to contributory negligence, wherein each party's negligence for a given injury is weighed when determining damages.Traditionally, the courts viewed contributory negligence as a total bar to the recovery of any damages. Under the traditional view, if a person had contributed to the accident in any way, the person was not entitled to compensation for his or her injuries. In an attempt to reduce the harsh, oftentimes unfair outcomes resulting from this approach, most states have now adopted a comparative negligence approach." https://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/contributory-and-comparative-negligence.htmlUnder civil law, if a person fails to act reasonably and acts in such a manner to endanger themselves, the defendant may be liable for less, or have no liability at all. As you can see, criminal law sets a higher bar for negligence claims than does civil law, thus it is clear that a claim of criminal negligence on the part of the plaintiff simply would not hold water. This prosecution is purely a political one designed to appease the riot mob and has no basis in law. The police said the road was closed. There is no proof to the contrary. The accident was investigated and the driver was charged with vehicular homicide. Those are the facts that TECSHARE is trying to deny in favor of something he made up. If the driver or his lawyers can prove something else that's great but for now that's just baseless speculation. I haven't denied any of those things. Everything I am saying is fact. I sourced the criminal statutes as well as the relevant civil law on the matter. You strawman and distract with your old faithful, "NO U!" I'd be okay with a court assigning 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 fault for negligence to each of the parties involved. The two that were struck and the driver. |
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I'm sure there will be plenty of avenues for this guys defense to consider, and maybe it really was an honest mistake. All of my recent responses have simply been in response to the 'he was just driving down the highway, he can only be guilty of a traffic violation, the protesters were wrong first so that makes him less wrong' argument coming from tecshare and spendulus.
What this situation boils down to is that if some people purposefully create chaos on the street, to the extent it occurred here, people are going to get hurt. That's part of the calculus of the puppet masters creating the chaos. If you really want to look at the driver, you're really just one of the puppets. |
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Trump tweeted about Bubba Wallace and the noose "hoax" claiming he should apologize to Nascar two weeks after the event even happened. He's shooting himself in the foot. ...
If Trump talks to the NASCAR crowd via twitter...most people likely wouldn't even understand what it was about. |
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Trump's been pretty straight forward in his talk about Epstein and his non-involvement with their little circle. As I recalled he more or less hinted he figured out what they were up to.
By contrast, Bill Clinton logged 19 trips on that private jet.
well we both know that trump and clinton are sexually excessive... Maxwell was wired into the upper levels of NY society, attended all the social functions and such. Of course she would have met Trump. But he's not the kind of person that needs these conniving pimps, and he didn't have any reason to head off to an island to get women. If you want to figure out what went on, what the scheme was, you'll have to look past Trump for sure. |
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Ghislaine Maxwell once boasted she had video of two “high profile” US politicians, along with other powerful figures, having sex with underage girls, claims a former jewel thief who described the disgraced socialite as a nymphomaniac.
The source to this claim has credibility problems, but given how long Epstein (and Maxwell) were able to live freely, I would not be surprised if they both had incriminating evidence against politicians. There have also been allegations they have spy connections to foreign governments, possibly Israel. To my knowledge, this is unsubstantiated. If there are Democrat politicians charged over this, and there is evidence to support the charges, the underlying reason why "resistance" to Trump has been so strong. I view the matter as likely a truly evil spiderweb set up to snare people, both innocent and other evil people. That's political-party-independnat, but if, say, Bill Clinton was involved, I'm willing to consider him an innocent victim of blackmail until proven otherwise. The whole thing smelly fishy from the get go. "Hey, you want to take a ride on our private jet to an island with lots of young girls that well, you can pretty much have your pick of?" Anyone hearing that would wonder what the catch was. Also of interest is that there's been zero talk of young boys, just young girls. Possibly because many young girls can be dolled up to where it's hard to tell their actual age, where the boys not so much so. True, long term, hard core pedophiles wouldn't have fallen for Epstein's pitch. Although he'd likely have been as happy to blackmail a pedophile as a non-pedophile that fell for his trap. But there wouldn't have been enough pedophiles. Perhaps the pervs would have been less allured by Ghislaine, less tempted to fall into her clutches. But most importantly, the pervs wouldn't just have happened to be in the positions of power they were seeking to influence. Ghislaine would played socialite, like she did in New York. She would have had the job of luring powerful men down to that island. She could give them a taste of what was to come. Whatever it took to get them to agree to get on that plane. Epstein and Maxwell acquired billions of dollars by unknown means. But running a private jet to an island stocked with goodies, "servants", and women/girls? Think $100-500k in direct expenses per trip. And that plane flew A LOT. From each "gala party on the Island", they were intending to net a profit of what? Millions? That does not add up to billions. Each billion is 1000 millions. Blackmail ops may have been for much larger sums, like 50M or even much higher. The most likely source of that scale of money would be governments, and the conduits to government money are politicians. Seducing key government officials linked to approving a major contract? Each could have been taken down there on separate trip, so none would know the others were even involved. Epstein would buy into the stock of said company prior to the award, perhaps sell short on the "favored company" which was going to lose. That's likely the sort of entrapment and blackmail that was going on. The passenger log of the jet is here. https://www.socialmediamorning.com/jeffrey-epstein-complete-flight-logs-of-the-lolita-express-and-you-should-see-the-names/ |
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Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies.
You think it's a shitty system and you're definitely not alone. I'm just explaining what it means to be convicted of a crime in America, not saying it's the right or wrong way. Good, we're almost in agreement on that except that I hold you can't trust the facts of what someone plea bargained to as what happened. Basically never. You can malign their character all you want, call them Felons or whatever, but you can't believe the DA's documents the guy was forced to sign as representing what actually happened. |
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"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.
"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.
"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.
So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.
But... Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_RosenbergAs of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24] Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12] Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining. I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch. And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies! There are two ways to be convicted of a crime. Plea guilty (that means confess) or go through the trial process. Susan Rosenberg was convicted of posession of explosive materials, but the charges related to the actual bombing were dropped. Since she was never tried for those and she never plead guilty - she was not convicted of them. .... Interesting you never used the phrase "Plea Bargain" there, right? Because that's what both Rosenberg, and Flynn did, isn't it? "Plea Bargain" means do and say what the prosecutors tell you to do and say, and it does not matter if it's a pack of lies. You've gone to the farthest extent of inferring meaning (of the type you were looking) for in footnotes to footnotes for Flynn, but hey, Rosenberg? Nothing to see there... they caught her with some fireworks, probably for the 4th of July. |
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...to make sure she's not able to speak about the atrocities she saw.
Saw? She may have been the main plotter. these type of creeps and scammers are smart. they dont hang around with ethical/moral people. but congregate with fellow immoral people or people that have done some bad things in the past. i kinda believe that this jewel theif became part of the circle. more so that maxwell probably had evidence of his crimes so knew he wouldnt easily talk because it would be his own undoing by them calling out his crimes. basically the mutually assured destruction game of earning trust. (friendship via mutual blackmail) so by epstein and maxwell happily inviting certain people into their creepy circle. EG trump.. but not warren buffet makes me think they do have something 'useful' to use against trump if trump ever talked but not warren buffet, which is why he isnt in their circle of 'elite friends' like prince phillip but not prince charles.. again they have something bad on phillip. i would say a few of them did engage in the creepy stuff. but others were in the circle through blackmail of other crimes/immoral things In my opinion a victim of blackmail is not someone to persecute or malign if the facts come out, but someone to give a pass to. Blackmail takes many forms, but commonly there are elements of deception. An obvious example would be a setup of some Important Person with an underage partner, with them not being aware of the person being underage. But there are many other aspects. It'd certainly be interesting to know who ordered the hit on Epstein, and the circumstances. Trump's been pretty straight forward in his talk about Epstein and his non-involvement with their little circle. As I recalled he more or less hinted he figured out what they were up to. By contrast, Bill Clinton logged 19 trips on that private jet. |
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"This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg" = ok, I have no problems with this part; she was part of a terrorist organization, she was convicted of a pretty serious crime, and that is her.
"she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter" = not true.
"She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Assoc" = none of this is true.
So to be fair, its 1-for-3 in terms of truthfulness, which still renders it generally untruthful.
But... Let's look at Wikipedia, shall we? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_RosenbergAs of 2020, Rosenberg serves as Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, among other clients.[24] Rosenberg was charged with a role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. National War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, but the charges were dropped as part of a plea deal by other members of her group.[7][12] Looks more like 2 of 3, guilty all the way down the line and some plea bargaining. I can't help but mention the narrow minded vindictiveness with which Twitch solemnly invoked "Flynn is a convicted Felon", now defending this witch. And we don't even have any evidence she loves kittens and puppies! |
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