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1181  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: June 13, 2020, 12:06:48 AM
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I've thought from the start that it'll be Kamala Harris, and I still think so. This'll make the ticket even worse, since she's an authoritarian neoliberal who only cares about power.

If so, then the future "philosophy" of the Democratic Party is right out in the open.
1182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Senate Bill Proposes $10,000 per Month UBI on: June 12, 2020, 04:52:58 PM
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I'll concede that UBI is at present more a theory than anything else, and that pilot schemes have been limited in scope. No doubt any UBI system would require considerable tuning and would differ in its implementation, jurisdiction by jurisdiction.

I'm interested in whether we - and other posters here - are agreed on any or all of the following points?
1) The current system benefits the rich more than it benefits anyone else, and this works to increase inequality within societies (as a feature, not a bug),
2) A system of ever-increasing inequality is unfair and unsustainable in the long-term, and we need an alternative,
3) UBI in theory works to reduce inequality, and
4) An economic recovery from CV19 will not happen by itself through light-touch global market capitalism, and will instead require some degree of state support.

If we agree on #4, then what is a better alternative to trialling UBI? I'm by no means a UBI-zealot, I'm genuinely interested in learning about other ideas.

One big advantage (I think) is that in the USA, we have these things called states, who can individually experiment with such theories, and who. Note there's ALWAYS some shmook who will argue "Oh, XYZ Utopia will not work unless ALL THE PEOPLE buy in, ALL THE StATES, blah-blah-BLAH."

#4 is exactly, perfectly wrong, by the way. Who suggested such a thing might be true?
1183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 12, 2020, 04:33:39 PM
I don't think you understand this issue.

Go take a walk through the 5th Ward in Houston(predominately black ghetto), then come back and tell us what you learned.

Wait...you wouldn't even get out alive...

I would happily stroll through there on foot and most likely nobody would say shit to me as they are just ordinary people trying to live their lives like anybody else. Unlike you, I don't live my life in fear of minorities.

Probably the worst thing about your comment is it has absolutely zilch to do with issue at hand.

People like you and techy think you're making an argument but really all you are doing is repeating your opinion that "black people are bad."

As somebody who moved to a country that is arguably more dangerous than the U.S., it's not me that desperately needs to explore the outside world -- it's you guys.

Arguably is the key word. It's not a country vs country issue. It's certain areas.

And you're welcome to SAY you'd stroll through them, but I've lived in them and been through them numerous times. Kind of know what I'm talking about...
1184  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 12, 2020, 01:55:16 PM
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Take a look at what happened to George Floyd: we both can agree it shouldn't have happened. What do the white vs. black stats have to do with what happened to him?

And what really needs to change in order to decrease the chances of that kind of thing happening in the future? Less media coverage? I don't think so.

I don't think you understand this issue.

Go take a walk through a predominately black ghetto on Friday night, such as the 5th Ward in Houston, Compton in Los Angeles, or certain areas of South Dallas, Chicago, etc...

Then come back and tell us what you learned.

Wait...you wouldn't even back get out alive...

1185  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Senate Bill Proposes $10,000 per Month UBI on: June 12, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
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Yes this will provide a real incentive for the unproductive people to become more productive to society and add value to our culture and civilization ....NOT Grin   MOAR free beer n drug money..yay!!

Wait, free beer and drug money?

But it requires conning over 50% of the population, getting them to buy into a giant lie like Obamacare?

Where do I sign up?
1186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Senate Bill Proposes $10,000 per Month UBI on: June 12, 2020, 12:29:10 PM
I'm not sure why so many people are dead-set against UBI. It is a great way to rein in some of the worst excesses of untrammeled capitalism, and reduce inequality. UBI grants power to the poor, not only by boosting their income but also by disincentivising wage-slavery and other exploitation by powerful employers. Also it removes the huge state burden of maintaining the welfare system. Post-COVID, we are looking at struggling economies and much-diminished job opportunities, with whole industries on the brink of failure. UBI helps to ensure that money circulates in the economy in a much fairer way than we've seen in the past with QE, and also reduces the 'too many people not enough jobs' aspect by making it that even a part-time job is sufficient to keep someone above the breadline. Employing 5 people on a 3-day week or 3 people on a 5-day week is the same $ outlay for the company, but under UBI a 3-day week can be sufficient for the employee, and we get more people into work.
I for one am sick of my tax payments just being used to supplement the already swelling coffers of the rich. It's time for a fairer approach.

Because the results won't turn out like your fairy tale ideas.

You see, any proposal to spend will first require the collection of huge amounts of taxes. These will go t Washington DC. There, they will be filtered through Washington DC's vast network of lobbyists and special interests. They'll take all they want before handing you or I one dime.

A recent set of events that illustrate this very well was Obama's "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan." Compare results to promises.

The results will turn out ugly, nasty, and brutish.



1187  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: June 12, 2020, 12:25:51 PM
....Keep in mind that Biden lacks the mental capacity to make actual decisions....

What a thing to say, or to have to remind people of.

Wasn't it the Democrats that were constantly reminding people of "how very stupid" ORANGEMANBAD was?

1188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 12, 2020, 02:29:45 AM
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now they have entered the stage in which they are in a conflict with themselves.

The recent violence and riots in the USA is a surge of the few, for whom no lives matter; driven by the corrupt, for whom only power and money matters.

1189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: June 11, 2020, 11:39:38 PM
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At this point the betting odds give Biden something like a 52% chance of winning.....

I seem to have noticed a bias in betting odds for US presidential elections, which I feel is the result of international "ignorant voting influence."

However here, maybe the dynamics is different. To check this, I went to the Las Vegas betting odds, figuring that LV odds were more US-centric.

https://lasvegassportsbetting.com/2020-US-Presidential-Election-Las-Vegas-Odds_P14398.html

Here you can see a trend in which Biden did seem to have an advantage, but that has now vanished.
1190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 11, 2020, 11:28:46 PM
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exactly getting enslaved on an american plantation by white people was often a much better destiny than getting enslaved by african tribal warlords, that didn't even where able to afford cloths.
or killed by local fauna and flora. which was extremely hostile. not to mention the tribal wars over hunting grounds. people killed each other than over ridiculous unthinkable things.

i doubt reason and black people are comparable.
What about all the people who have Druid ancestors that were enslaved by the Romans? And later by the Catholics?

Just because we were cannibals does not mean our lives don't matter.

do you see a single european or middle easterner till today demanding reparations from italians and the city of rome?

Smiley
1191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Riots after Death of Man in Minneapolis Police Custody on: June 11, 2020, 11:27:29 PM
Is this really how black people are being treated in the US? There are not many black people ( I'd say its less than 1% ) in the conutry I live in so to I'm unable to understand this madness.

No. Basically it's entirely political gaming. The Floyd George thing was a weird, bizarre incident.

Having said that, there are situations that are unjust. But nowhere, is the world going to be a fair place.

The morphing of peaceful protests into rage and violence was orchestrated by anti-American domestic and international forces.

Right now in the USA the Democrats are struggling to form a platform for the 2020 elections, and to keep the black community supporting them for the 2020 elections.
1192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Black lives matter or Do all lives matter? on: June 11, 2020, 07:17:35 PM
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exactly getting enslaved on an american plantation by white people was often a much better destiny than getting enslaved by african tribal warlords, that didn't even where able to afford cloths.
or killed by local fauna and flora. which was extremely hostile. not to mention the tribal wars over hunting grounds. people killed each other than over ridiculous unthinkable things.

i doubt reason and black people are comparable.
What about all the people who have Druid ancestors that were enslaved by the Romans? And later by the Catholics?

Just because we were cannibals does not mean our lives don't matter.
1193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 11, 2020, 07:15:28 PM
I'd be impressed, and probably contribute, if the donations went to actual live black prosecutions that were reasonably considered unfair.

LOL!  Cheesy

OK I didn't actually Laugh Out Loud, but I did smile.

I don't think this means what you intended it to, but its hard to gauge your level of seriousness based on the preceding sentences.
Lol yes you are right, let's substitute "defense of unfair, racist criminal charges" for prosecutions.

Or something similar.

Leaving the small people aside for the moment, let's look at some of the elitist, smug, smart people and how they are doing.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/06/13/its-going-down-antifa-uncle-sam-just-started-delivering-payback-for-terror-riots-n525503

It's Going Down, Antifa. Uncle Sam Just Started Delivering Payback for Terror Riots

From La Mesa, Calif., Minneapolis, Austin, and Dallas to Baton Rouge, Philly, St. Paul, and Tacoma, Wash., more than 50 people have been indicted on various charges.

Among the crimes being pursued are:

Crossing state lines for purposes of riot
Throwing Molotov cocktails
Torching cop cars
Looting gun stores and pharmacies
Online threats against cops
Arson
Shining lasers in eyes of police helicopter pilots
Bringing guns to a riot


Whatever your feelings pro and con this issue, how it plays out should be very interesting. I have a suspicion that these 50 people are just the beginning. And that many good things are yet to come.
1194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 11, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
Again, you are ignorant and need to learn to read instead of just automatically confirming your bias as you accuse me of doing. Illegal and impossible have two different meanings. If you bothered reading any of the articles I have posted you would see none of this is an impediment.

Okay. What evidence do you have that ActBlue is illegally funneling money from their charity arm to their PAC?

Well, 100% of donations to "BLM" through their link, "ActBlue", go to Rem candidates. That's what THEY say.

But Tecshare already handled this with the sparkly "need to learn to read" comment.

I have to admit I don't like that one bit. I'd be impressed, and probably contribute, if the donations went to actual live black prosecutions that were reasonably considered unfair.
1195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Art of Struggle : Listen or be destroyed on: June 09, 2020, 05:23:41 PM
....Quantum mechanics is missing companion wave and self correction wave.
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Can we just take that one step at a time?
1196  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Cop broke the windows at Autozone which sparked riots across America on: June 09, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.


You're not even "pointing out" that the victim was a "bad guy." You're simply giving your opinion. I don't consider it reasonably worth sharing, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. By giving this opinion you can only be insinuating that maybe he got what he deserved. He didn't deserve it at all.

Back to licking boots for you.

"should have been treated with respect" and "He didn't deserve it at all" are in my dim, non-WOKE brain, pretty darn similar.

Now you can go back to popping bubbles.
1197  Other / Politics & Society / Re: BLM protestors: British antique bronze statue toppled and tossed into harbour on: June 09, 2020, 01:07:12 PM
,,,,,which validates the riot either way.,,,,

I knew you'd use sloppy logic and Marxist dialetic to get around to the punch line.

1198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you feel safe going outside? on: June 09, 2020, 01:57:22 AM

.... So I would like to catch it and have antibodies in the same way that they are developed for any of the hundreds of other microbes that we all run across.  When I go out and about I deliberately touch things in hopes that I can pick it up.  .....

If you happen one day to find yourself in the vicinity of flesh eating bacteria or Ebola infestations, maybe tone that policy down a bit?
1199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 'Trump Designates Antifa "A Terrorist Organization"' on: June 08, 2020, 10:47:44 PM


....You can literally organize mobs to murder, beat, burn and loot all you like and call yourself a movement, and suddenly it is ok!

That's what they'd like to do, FOOL PEOPLE into believing it's okay.

I have a feeling it's not going to work, though.

TRUMP DIDN'T FALL FOR IT. ANTIFA == TERRORIST ORGANIZATION

End of Subject.
1200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: June 08, 2020, 10:23:56 PM
why are the democrats trying to impose a racist president on america?

didn't they got with trump what they wanted a nonracist white republican president.

Very good questions  but the response from the Dems is...

"Because, shut up."
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