None of those things are as bad as....
Whoo Hoo! Violence is fine, you say. |
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It does seem like you, having been completely unable to present any kind of logical argument to counter facts
We agree on the facts. I've said this many times, I'm not sure why you keep saying that. I'm not countering any facts. It's the WHY the facts are what they are that we're discussing. I'm also honestly interested in your opinion. When do you think black people were no longer affected by systemic racism? Surely it had to be a gradual process right? Here's the time line: 400 years ago the first slaves were brought over from Africa to Virginia 156 years ago they were no longer considered personal property that could be owned by White Men. 56 years ago the civil rights act was passed. At what point did systemic racism completely phase out of America? It's not COMPLETELY phased out, Asian Americans are still facing blatant discrimination in college admissions. They have to have much better test scores than other racial groups such as Blacks to get into the better colleges. This is well known and is accepted method to liberals. Why? Of course, "systemic racism" as you use it is largely imaginary. But the admissions policies are hard facts, and they actually do incorporate racism against Asians. |
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Let's repeat this again, as it seems to be a quite interesting issue. The tax return of BLM shows ALL donations are to ACT BLUE, and thence to a small group of Democratic politicians and NO ONE ELSE. |
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Yep. There it is. Popojeff is a white supremacist. He had to preface it with about 3 paragraphs of fluff before backing into it, but it came right out. Of course, he wrote the post in a way where he can back out of it, because he's a closet white supremacist.
And BINGO, there it is. First the logical fallacy of the loaded questions - both you and Twitch, and now your attempt to entrap people that responded to your shit. It does seem like popojeff thinks the reason for all the racial disparities is simply because black people are just naturally inferior compared to White people. I've asked directly several times now: if the reason isn't systemic racism, than what is it? Nobody seems to be able to come up with a rational explanation and instead resort to personal attacks and trolling. Let's be honest here. You've crafted loaded questions before, ones that lead answers in directions that you sought. I've pointed this out. This is a real insult to those of us out here who work and live in multi cultural situations, and who are in inter racial marriages. You've politicized issues, and it's all quite obvious. What Popojeff did wrong was taking you seriously. The bigoted, racist, prejudiced person that I'm seeing here is you, but that's a separate issue. Coinsforcommies is just a liar pushing dialectic, but I think you could do better. |
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....they have simply "occupied" a piece of their own city.
You mean they stole it from the people who live and have businesses on that block. Interfering with peoples' ability to go to the corner store on that block is illegal, isn't it? That would be assault. |
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Makes sense why they fought so hard to keep it redacted. same with jon boltons new book judge just ruled so he can publish it.
Down to obscure footnotes in obscure works of only a few co-conspirators now? A guy who once knew the sister of a woman who's cousin saw her serving Trump a hotdog thought about Russian Collusion in a dream once. PROOF THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN! The amount of hate displayed here by Anti-Trumpers is certainly interesting. Sad, though. Trump won. We voted him in. We voted against your Hitlery-lap-dog. We told you idiots Sanders was a puppet show, and would be ran out and put back in his barrel. Now you've got Senile Joe. |
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Yep. There it is. Popojeff is a white supremacist. He had to preface it with about 3 paragraphs of fluff before backing into it, but it came right out. Of course, he wrote the post in a way where he can back out of it, because he's a closet white supremacist.
And BINGO, there it is. First the logical fallacy of the loaded questions - both you and Twitch, and now your attempt to entrap people that responded to your shit. |
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Makes sense why they fought so hard to keep it redacted. same with jon boltons new book judge just ruled so he can publish it.
Down to obscure footnotes in obscure works of only a few co-conspirators now? |
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I agree with pretty much everyone who's attacked me that we have to look at the facts. And I'm not questioning the facts they've presented.
An American Black person is more likely to commit a crime, live in poverty, be less healthy and less educated than an American White person.
The question I'm asking is why?
Your use of statistics is incorrect. Suppose you and I line up with several other people who happen to be black. Of any number of strong statistical factors, making us similar and different, race is a WEAK FACTOR. I suspect it's a very, very weak factor. Those of us in inter racial marriages and families really laugh at this kind of analysis. But your political environment wants to focus on that as the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR. Thus I have to agree with others that the premises on which your questions are based are flawed, but that's only due to your work as a Democratic Operative. I understand, you're not in control of what they tell you to parrot, the talking points for this week. |
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Elections are NOT going to be cancelled. I highly doubt that Trump is going to be able to pull off some fucking Frank Underwood shit from House of Cards to try to sway this his way.
Doesn't need to be cancelled... postponed until we got law&order reestablished, or until we got a vaccine, or until that Martian situation is dealt with. There are other options too. E.g. impose strategic curfews/quarantines/anti-Martian blockades in places that (completely coincidentally) tend to vote for Democrats. Or just ask China for help LOL. if he postpones it without setting a new date right away i would be very worried. Indeed... Why don't you ... Worry about FAKE Trump colluding with Russia... Worry about FAKE Trump will be impeached... Worry about FAKE Election was stolen from Hitlery... Worry about FAKE Trump might postpone it... How about "Get a life?" |
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Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.
Ok, be explicit then. Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc) Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't...... Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-) Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them. Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative. seems like fine question by twitch. i dont get all the personal attacks on him hes being reasonable and just sharing his thoughts and asking about yours isnt that why we come to a forum like this? I've already made note of the logical fallacy in Twitch's "question", and he's routinely done this before. That's not in the least a personal attack. http://www.fallacyfiles.org/loadques.html |
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Why is everyone worried about a chart and identity politics.
No one cares.
Doesn't matter where you fall on that chart. If you and you group of whatever's forcefully take over part of a city, you're nothing more than a criminal, with no regard for others.
Area businesses will suffer. A nearby Trader Joe's has already closed. Taxpayers will foot the bill for fixing what they've ruined. Insurance companies will refuse to insure businesses who want to re build in the area.
Good job Seattle, you've negotiated with terrorists.
Detroit never recovered from the 1968 riots. Compton, in Los Angeles, never recovered from its riots. Here we go again. |
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It's quite surprising to see Bernie Sanders as the favourite in this forum. I believe the Democrats have a good chance of winning this year, but it will be a hard fight and pretty close in the end. Let's see how a possible second wave of corona will affect the election campaigns this year.
It would have much easier for the Democrats if they picked another candidate than Joe Biden.....
Regardless of who they pick, the media will certainly make it look, up to the moment Trump is sworn in for term 2, as if it was an exciting drama and race to the finish. That's to get you to watch their theatrical presentation of false news, it has nothing to do with reality. In the real world, Joe Biden is the worse loser of a presidential candidate EVER. Have fun! |
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Oh yeah let's all vote Republican or Democrat again. I'm 100% sure that this time, they will change the country. Jokes aside, are any American fellow forum members considering a vote for Libertarian Party nominee Jo Jorgensen? If so, could you elaborate a bit? You might know I'm passionated by the ideology, but having a real organized libertarian party is something we Europeans can only dream about, and I'm quite curious to hear how the LP campaigns are being run IRL and what people who cast their votes for the LP act and think (politically) IRL. www.joj2020.comIn the US the LP is just a tool used in lame attempts to split the vote of the opposition. |
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Nooooooooo.......... I haven't implied anything so don't be misrepresenting what I have said.I have stated facts that are true and correct and not selective factes or half truths to collaborate with ANY narrative.I am neither Left or Right.I am in favour of reason and rational thought only and for someone to implicate presented facts as a white supremacist form of argument indicates a bias or wilful ingnorance or worse still blatant left wing extremist form of response. I am provoking rational thought which any sane person would be able to interpret as a logical argument.
Ok, be explicit then. Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society? If not, then what is your explanation for the facts. (white vs black crime, income, education, health, etc) Ah stop being so ridiculous.Nobody is generalizing any race or claiming superiority.Your retorts are like that of any other Left Wing Extremist who slanders anyone who has a differing opinion to this media frenzy,as a white supremacist.You obviously have a personal bias towards the "movement" whereas I don't...... Be gone with your fucking nonsense :-) Twitch has received his new talking points, and he gonna talk them. Actually using brain cells is NOT part of the requirement for Internet Democratic Operatives, and in fact is a negative. |
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Museums also should not be celebrating the life of a slave trader. Maybe they can replace it with a statue of a slave being brutalized by the UK in order to properly remember the history.
Museums don't "celebrate", they show stuff of historical (in this context) significance, good or bad. You can visit a gas chamber in Auschwitz - that doesn't mean you're celebrating what it stands for. What % of Bristol residents did you are sad they can no longer celebrate the life of a slave trader publicly? If its anywhere near 50, then we have a racist society that still doesn't value the lives of black and brown people which validates the riot either way.
There was a poll in 2014 and well above 50% wanted to keep the statue. Granted the attitudes may have shifted recently but in no way does it validate a riot or violence of any kind. +1 to this. As I've said time and time again in this thread, there's noting wrong with wanting these statues to be taken down, but there is something wrong with not going the legal path to having this removed and saved in a mueseum. All you're doing if you just destroy statues you don't agree with is that you're destroying history. Not all history is something that we're going to look back at and say -- wow, all of that was amazing -- all of us know that slavery is wrong and that we shouldn't have statues for slave traders. But ya know -- we'd like to save these in a museum so we're able to look back on the mistakes of our past and use what we learned from these mistakes. This is all remarkably identical to the Maoist Cultural Revolution, their tactics and methods. Infiltrate universities, get gullible students to rally, have a cadre bring destructive methods, violence included, into those "protests". |
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Even ignoring the above, her fingerprints being on the case are damaging to her politically. This is especially true for the base of the voters on the left.
That's only true until the revision of her history by her puppet masters. This is no different than the Biden choice. |
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...more black males age 18-35 are killed by police, in disparity from population make up, they are responsible for +/- HALF of all violent crime although comprising only 1.4% of the US population.
If HALF of ALL VIOLENT crime Police respond to is being committed by black males age 18-35, then they are making up 50% of all police contacts, but yet more white boys get killed. Seems the whiteys should be rioting.
Yeah this is true and its part of the problem so you're close to getting it. You just need to ask "why?" for any stat that doesn't match the population graph. The answer almost always ties back into systemic racism... [/quote] Can you explain something to me? How do the new orders for each day's new talking points get delivered to you? |
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Ok, be explicit then. Do you think white people are superior to black people when it comes to being a productive member of society?
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I see you are back to using your favorite logical fallacy, the style of "Are you still beating your wife?" |
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I don't know what you mean, but if you have a specific problem with something on there it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. Its all approximate. You could look at other ones that have been filled out with people. These individuals are all in the correct vacinity but different people might have subtle disagreements about the exact positioning of where they are. No one should confuse Stalin's position with Chomsky's though.  How would you describe somebody who is full-tilt authoritarian when their party is in power and full-tilt libertarian when they are not? Asking for a friend. What's wrong with this chart is it's static. In the USA, the last decade has shown a tremendous tilt of the US Democratic Party. Similarly, Stalin changed a great deal during his reign of power. These movements are much more interesting than some pin stuck on a dead bug on the wall. |
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