Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[Tusk]

The problem with your suggestion BD is you asking people to accept a concept that there isn't a shred of evidence for and is loaded with so much baggage. Acknowledging the universe is merely accepting the self evident. The later requires no external validation. Yet by sharing our experience of it we are able to grow and enrich that experience. We are under no obligation to accept anyone else's perspective but by being discerning and filtering out that which is common we are better able to adapt to it and enrich our lives.    

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[camelson]

All of our experience exists because the universe was programmed by God to give us our experiences

BD you have to be able to define "God" in reality, ie real terms or its just a perspective.

Edit - is why I'm advocating swop out the word "God" for universe, it is alive and all encompassing it is in us, we are in it, it shows no fear or favour......etc

Defining God isn't easy, and will never be complete. But to see a glimpse... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11869484#msg11869484.

Ist it your own made definition? The definition of GOD is different in Different religion, You cant impose your definition on People, lets say, christian take different definition of GOD than the Muslim, Thesis think differently. You cant impose your religion on other, unless you prove your Self right, and its not easy by the way. Because you have to prove many thing wrong which you cant. I think you should reed the definition of GOD here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

[the joint]

I think I understand what you are saying, Our perception of reality is subjective? Yes if a cat runs across the road, one individual may take another route based on their perception while another may pick it up and stoke it. But in both cases the cat is real.

That's part of it. The rest of it has to do with the observational fact that we have no freedom of choice. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11864476#msg11864476

Free will vs. determinism is a false dichotomy.  Compatibilism is a 3rd option, modeled as self-determinancy, and in which freedom and determinism exist simultaneously in perfect counterbalance.

[Beliathon]

Ist it your own made definition? The definition of GOD is different in Different religion, You cant impose your definition on People

Yes, mine is a many-breasted God of Tits, Wine, and Weed. My god loves orgasms and embodied experience. My god rejects abstract notions such as afterlife as irrelevant to living life fully.

My god is reason.

[BADecker]

All of our experience exists because the universe was programmed by God to give us our experiences

BD you have to be able to define "God" in reality, ie real terms or its just a perspective.

Edit - is why I'm advocating swop out the word "God" for universe, it is alive and all encompassing it is in us, we are in it, it shows no fear or favour......etc

Defining God isn't easy, and will never be complete. But to see a glimpse... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11869484#msg11869484.

Ist it your own made definition? The definition of GOD is different in Different religion, You cant impose your definition on People, lets say, christian take different definition of GOD than the Muslim, Thesis think differently. You cant impose your religion on other, unless you prove your Self right, and its not easy by the way. Because you have to prove many thing wrong which you cant. I think you should reed the definition of GOD here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

Since people are essentially the same in all basics except training and/or indoctrination, the real God over all people is the same. The only difference is the arbitrary attributes that people apply to Him.

In the basics of God, the ideas of cause and effect, and entropy, are the same no matter what other attributes you assign to Him. In other words, I am proposing the basics of this universe regarding the real God, not the arbitrary attributes various religions assign to Him.

[the joint]

Ist it your own made definition? The definition of GOD is different in Different religion, You cant impose your definition on People

Yes, mine is a many-breasted God of Tits, Wine, and Weed. My god loves orgasms and embodied experience. My god rejects abstract notions such as afterlife as irrelevant to living life fully.

My god is reason.

The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument.  Ironic.   

[BADecker]

I think I understand what you are saying, Our perception of reality is subjective? Yes if a cat runs across the road, one individual may take another route based on their perception while another may pick it up and stoke it. But in both cases the cat is real.

That's part of it. The rest of it has to do with the observational fact that we have no freedom of choice. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11864476#msg11864476

Free will vs. determinism is a false dichotomy.  Compatibilism is a 3rd option, modeled as self-determinancy, and in which freedom and determinism exist simultaneously in perfect counterbalance.

Since you can't get away from the fact of an ultra-complex universe, in conjunction with no known beginning, and containing entropy throughout (that we know of), all existing at present through cause and effect (that we know of), continue to enjoy your illusion of free will. It is part of your joy. After all, if we weren't meant to have this freedom illusion, or the joy illusion it produces, the Creator would have done things differently.

[the joint]

I think I understand what you are saying, Our perception of reality is subjective? Yes if a cat runs across the road, one individual may take another route based on their perception while another may pick it up and stoke it. But in both cases the cat is real.

That's part of it. The rest of it has to do with the observational fact that we have no freedom of choice. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11864476#msg11864476

Free will vs. determinism is a false dichotomy.  Compatibilism is a 3rd option, modeled as self-determinancy, and in which freedom and determinism exist simultaneously in perfect counterbalance.

Since you can't get away from the fact of an ultra-complex universe, in conjunction with no known beginning, and containing entropy throughout (that we know of), all existing at present through cause and effect (that we know of), continue to enjoy your illusion of free will. It is part of your joy. After all, if we weren't meant to have this freedom illusion, or the joy illusion it produces, the Creator would have done things differently.

Lol BD, all this cause-and-effect rhetoric, and you cant even effect a conclusion that follows from your premises. 

[Beliathon]

The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument. 

Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

[BADecker]

I think I understand what you are saying, Our perception of reality is subjective? Yes if a cat runs across the road, one individual may take another route based on their perception while another may pick it up and stoke it. But in both cases the cat is real.

That's part of it. The rest of it has to do with the observational fact that we have no freedom of choice. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg11864476#msg11864476

Free will vs. determinism is a false dichotomy.  Compatibilism is a 3rd option, modeled as self-determinancy, and in which freedom and determinism exist simultaneously in perfect counterbalance.

Since you can't get away from the fact of an ultra-complex universe, in conjunction with no known beginning, and containing entropy throughout (that we know of), all existing at present through cause and effect (that we know of), continue to enjoy your illusion of free will. It is part of your joy. After all, if we weren't meant to have this freedom illusion, or the joy illusion it produces, the Creator would have done things differently.

Lol BD, all this cause-and-effect rhetoric, and you cant even effect a conclusion that follows from your premises. 

If I can't that is my problem. Thank you for following my suggestion to enjoy your illusion of freedom.

[BADecker]

The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument. 

Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

Yes. Even God, since He has hidden aspects of all knowledge from Himself temporarily, receives pleasure from the comedy that re-enlightens some of His hidden knowledge to Himself.

[the joint]

The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument. 

Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

The only other person in this thread to joke about my posts is BADecker.  I'd reflect on that.

[BADecker]

The posterchild for reason who refuses to support an argument without succumbing to the use of the lowest forms of argument. 

Comedy has merit, even when you're the butt of the joke.

The only other person in this thread to joke about my posts is BADecker.  I'd reflect on that.

Oh thank you. It's so lonely out here in the jokester world. Lol!

 

[Spendulus]

Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.

I agree.  This area of the brain is the area outside the skull.

[BADecker]

Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.

I agree.  This area of the brain is the area outside the skull.

However, religion doesn't necessarily have to do with spiritual need. Just because someone doesn't have interest in understanding what his spirit is all about, doesn't mean that he doesn't have a spirit.

The definition of "religion" from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t fits right in with what atheism is or can be within certain "realms" of atheism practice or thinking:

religion
[ri-lij-uh n]

noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:
a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:
to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:
to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites:
painted priests performing religions deep into the night.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion:
a religion to one's vow.

[jazzhandzer]

I just wanted to add my .02   

I do not believe in God but I don't hate religion.   I understand the benefit people can receive from having religion in their lives but it is something I don't subscribe to.   I don't mind going to church with my family or any thing like that.   The hate is probably more directed to those that want to argue about religion.

[MakingMoneyHoney]

Atheists have no interest in religion. It's not a lot different from having no interest in bowling or having no interest knitting. There's a specific part of the brain that determines if you have a 'spiritual' need. Those without this area of the brain never develop an interest in religion, or at best only a mild interest. The science behind this is compelling; anyone can look it up.

Any correlation to the supposed God gene? I heard that some believe that the mark of the beast will have something that suppresses this "God gene" so those with it won't believe in God, and those without can still believe in Him.

[jaysabi]

Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

[Tusk]

The dichotomy of the human condition is while emotions give us purpose, truth is completely devoid of emotion.  So, when confronted with ambiguity e.g. a half glass, most will cling dogmatically to seeing it either as half full or half empty based on their emotional predisposition.

[BADecker]

Your getting up or staying in bed is dictated by things like the many neuron firings in your brain which cause you to make the decision the way you do. The neuron firings are determined to some extent by the electrolytes in your system. The electrolytes are determined by what you ate or drank the night before. The things you ate or drank were determined both by availability and by the electrolyte-neuron-induced-firing of the night before. The food composition of the food you ate and the drink you drank were determined by many factors in nature and manufacturing, all of which were determined by many other factors.

When you get a degree in neurosciences, then you can tell us how the brain works. Until then, perhaps lay off the junk science explanations.

What's the matter? Having trouble refuting the things I say with any factual science?

Don't get me wrong. It is totally acceptable that my programming recognizes the programming, while yours doesn't. It's the way we are programmed. However, the amazing thing is that we have a little bit to do with our own programming, even though science doesn't know it, or recognize that it could be this way... in fact, doesn't even really think we do.