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September 16, 2015, 03:41:44 AM
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SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

Cosmogony is the study of the cosmos

"Cosmo" = Cosmo (go figure)
"Gony" = Birth

So cosmogony is the birth of the cosmos.

Within this study it is concluded that, either something came from nothing or something always existed.

There are three "miracles" that offer credence to this. Understand that there is no more and no less. These laws if you will are nothing new and cannot be added to and none can be taken away.

First it states that the cosmos appeared from nothing or ex nihilo, “coming from zero” or in other words “coming from nothing.”
Second to this is ad infinitum or “to infinity” and to that effect the cosmos always existed and exhibits infinite regression of causes in the past. (This would be the big bang theory)
The last principle is best explained by Aristotle and his addition to the list focuses on cause sui or “cause unto itself.” It explains that the cosmos was set into motion by an unmoved mover. (Religion where as a deity would be the unmoved mover)

Take anything you want from that list but do know that none of the items among that list can be proven to be false, whether that be science or religion based.

Nietzsche argued that the fact that a belief is false gives no absolute reason for its abandonment but rather, abandoned based on whether they preserve and enhance life. It’s silly to apply just one truth to all people and people are faulted for loving “their” truths, but not truth; they in essence have created a god and this god is that truth. Know that by me saying this that god is a fill in the blank and that science can be your god, your truth
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September 16, 2015, 03:46:03 AM
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NO YOU SEE PEOPLE HAVE THERE OWN IDEAS WHAT RELIGION MEANS..
I COULD ALSO SAY RELIGION MEANS WAR AND CONTROL..
But in this day and age when we say religion we mean someone who believes in a supreme being..
so if this is the case BUDDHISM IS NOT A RELIGION Grin

We cannot recreate the meaning because society has nudged it in such a way. If you woke up one day and realized that society has labeled you as a murderer or thief and your face if on every billboard. You know for a fact this is not true, but because everything around you dictates this, does that mean that you personally begin to think this is so?
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September 16, 2015, 03:52:37 AM
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THE WORD RELIGIOUSLY MEANS ..if you do something religiously, you do it regularly and are very serious about it
If you do something religiously you do it a lot off times..this is the true meaning ..

That is not the root of the word. Of course I didnt give you a googled answer and its not what you will find on dictionary.com or some other site with an agenda. It is what it means broken down not what we have come to make it mean. But to each his own, I am not here to sway anyone, take what you will.
SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM READ WHAT YOU POSTED...

That is not the root of the word. Of course I didnt give you a googled answer and its not what you will find on dictionary.com or some other site with an agenda. It is what it means broken down not what we have come to make it mean.

so if humans have not made the word religious up who made the word religious aliens god who done this..
because according to you we don.t even know what it means
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September 16, 2015, 04:08:02 AM
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SEE THIS IS THE PROBLEM READ WHAT YOU POSTED...

That is not the root of the word. Of course I didnt give you a googled answer and its not what you will find on dictionary.com or some other site with an agenda. It is what it means broken down not what we have come to make it mean.

so if humans have not made the word religious up who made the word religious aliens god who done this..
because according to you we don.t even know what it means

"Re" = Again
"Lig" or "Ligio" = Join or Connect

The word religion suggests the joining of our natural, human world to the sacred world.

So extend on what I posted further.

In classical Latin, the term religio meant awe for the gods and concern for proper ritual. We must recognize, though, that the term religion arose in Western culture and may not be entirely appropriate when applied across cultures; spiritual path, for example, might be a more fitting designation to refer to other religious systems.

Traditional dictionary definitions of religion read something like this: A system of belief that involves worship of God or gods, prayer, ritual, and a moral code. But there are so many exceptions to that definition that it is neither comprehensive nor accurate. So instead of saying that a religion must have certain characteristics, it is now thought more useful to list a series of characteristics that are found in what are commonly accepted as religions. We may accept as a “religion” whatever manifests a reasonable number of the following characteristics.

Belief system: Several beliefs fit together into a fairly complete and systematic interpretation of the universe and the human being’s place in it; this is also called a world view.

Community: The belief system is shared, and its ideals are practiced by a group.

Ethics: Rules about human behavior are established, often having been revealed from a supernatural realm, but they can also be viewed as socially generated guidelines.

Characteristic emotion: Among the emotions typically associated with religions are dread, guilt, awe, mystery, devotion, liberation, ecstasy, inner peace, and bliss.

Ritual: Beliefs are enacted and made real through ceremonies, ritual objects, and specialized locations and buildings.

Sacredness: A distinction is made between the sacred and the ordinary; ceremonies often emphasize the differentiation between the sacred and the ordinary through the deliberate use of different language, clothing, and architecture. Certain objects, actions, people, and places may share in the sacredness or express it.

This really is Comparative Religions 101. Please do understand that I am not saying you are wrong in what you believe as I myself do not have a directed belief. But when it comes to things that are fact, such as meanings of words that have been documented and studied for hundreds of years then we can dig down and get a bit deeper.
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September 16, 2015, 04:16:33 AM
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I think because they believe that everything happens, happens by chance, thats it. Plus factor is the place where they raised and lived. Depending on what they see in thier sorrounding..

However, when they think this, they are not thinking scientifically.

Science tells us that everything that happens has a cause. Newton even made it into his 3rd Law, "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." We see that Newton is right when we look about us. The leaves in the trees wiggle because of the wind acting on them. The wind moves because of the differences in temperature in different sections of air, caused by the sun shining on some of the air, but not on other of it. And there are lots of other forces that cause the wind to blow as it does, like the amount of moisture in the parts of it that are near water.

While we don't see the individual molecules of air, so we can't tell which ones work to make the leaves move this way or that, we understand that the wind is doing it.

Science is the idea of finding out about things. A scientist sees an action. He wants to find out what caused it. When he finds this out, he wants to find out what caused the cause. And this keeps on going. The more the scientist, the more the examiner of cause and effect, action and reaction, and the further he gets away from the idea of pure random ever happening.

If there is anything that does NOT operate by cause and effect, action and reaction, we don't know what it is. We don't see it. We haven't been able to find it. Nature shouts to us in every way that cause and effect is what exists in everything that we know. There is no pure random.

The thing that we call random is only a method that we use to determine things that we are too weak to see the cause of. For example. We toss a coin and get random heads/tails results. They really aren't random. But since we can't measure every last muscle action that goes into the toss, we use the term random.

Anybody who believes that things happen by chance, hasn't really thought about it. If he has thought about it and still believes this way, he is defying science. In general, if he defies standard scientific law, he has a religion - or maybe a cult - in his defiance.

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September 16, 2015, 06:13:50 AM
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SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

That is a lot of faith you have, especially if you don't think that science will understand rebirth in our lifetime.

Few in science today are accepting of the survival hypothesis, most are not even aware that it is backed by extensive scientific evidence and the prevailing culture of philosophical materialism causes most scientists to dismiss it offhand. So it seems that we need a new generation of scientists to become curious about the evidence in order to truly study the nature of rebirth. Now, if we are already Supreme beings like you said, then what would stop you from looking within and finding the Laws of Creation there? Isn't this basically what the Buddhist sages advise?

In my opinion, the Laws of Creation have already been published, you don't really need to look elsewhere; they are found in Phoenix Journal #27.

Now let us describe what commitments are made in service to GOD verses commitments of this manifested illusion. Your MOST IMPORTANT commitment in service to GOD is to WISELY understand and obey THE LAWS OF GOD AND THE CREATION which we are unfolding for you here. This is THE excellent way for honoring self and GOD within ALL others in service to God and The Creation. Simply, UNDERSTAND AND OBEY THE LAWS OF GOD AND THE CREATION. You ones have made this commitment difficult unto yourselves and it needn't any longer be so. YOU NOW HAVE THE LAWS BEFORE YOU and you need not any longer claim ignorance or misunderstanding. DO YOU SEE?! Claim YOUR DIVINE HOLY GODNESS NOW! WE ARE ALL ONE! THE TIME IS NOW BEFORE YOU TO KNOW AND OWN THE TRUTH!
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September 16, 2015, 06:21:07 AM
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Simply stated, the real reason that some atheists hate religion is, they are more into theism than they think.

An atheist turns his back on the idea of God so that he can live his life according to his own dictates. Often that life is in conflict with the things that God teaches. An atheist who has trouble pushing the idea of God or theism out of his mind, hates religion because it conflicts with the way he wants to live, and he doesn't like feeling guilty or even borderline guilty. In truth, he hasn't pushed the idea of God out of his mind as successfully as he has thought.

Some atheists are not like this. Some have pushed theism out of their lives so successfully that they don't have the conflict. They can listen to people talking about God all day long, and it totally doesn't affect their conscience. Usually these kinds of atheists don't hate the religion. They simply get disgusted with theists who get in their face. And, they often get disgusted with other atheists who believe in a different form of atheism than they do, and get in their face like the theists do.

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WRONG AGAIN Grin Grin YOUR ALWAYS WRONG ON THIS TOPIC..
The term theism derives from the Greek theos meaning "god". ...WELL I DON.T BELIEVE IN GOD..

I believe in theory then trying to prove its fact..
had plenty of theory on god whiles growing up and now i know its not fact Grin Grin just like father Christmas..

so as soon as religion goes the better..
The next step is to sort out is socialism capitalism and communism THIS IS ANOTHER PROBLEM..
this will be the next wars..
I am all 3 socialist capitalist and a communist ..
World leaders need to sit down SMOKE SOME SPLIFFS AND CHILL OUT Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy and talk about MUSIC Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now you are wrong. You do believe in God, even though you have talked yourself out of the idea to a great extent.

Science has proved that God exists. Most scientists simply don't want to talk about it.

World atheists need to sit down and understand that atheism is more of a religion that a theistic religion, because God can be proven to exist.

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September 16, 2015, 07:28:04 AM
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Science has proved that God exists. Most scientists simply don't want to talk about it.

NO ,it has never proved ,if you can provide any please update..
World atheists need to sit down and understand that atheism is more of a religion that a theistic religion, because God can be proven to exist.

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Yes i agree ,atheist has made a religion again by having a believe (not believing in anything)..no GOD dosent exist ,please .
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September 16, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
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Science has proved that God exists. Most scientists simply don't want to talk about it.

NO ,it has never proved ,if you can provide any please update..
World atheists need to sit down and understand that atheism is more of a religion that a theistic religion, because God can be proven to exist.

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Yes i agree ,atheist has made a religion again by having a believe (not believing in anything)..no GOD dosent exist ,please .

I have shown the three scientific laws that prove God exists when you combine them. Sometime I will write a detailed post about how it works. But, I will repeat the laws here.

1. Probably the most important is cause and effect, which is also called action and reaction. Newton made it his 3rd Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that there is no pure random. Real random doesn't exist. Everything in the universe is programmed. There is no free will or freedom of choice, even though we feel that there is.

2. The law of universal complexity is not really a law. It is an observation. There is much complexity in existence. The human brain and human mind are among the most complex things in the universe. And they are so highly complex that we are having problems finding out how they work, even though we are making progress slowly.

3. The law of universal entropy. Entropy in its simple form says that everything is running down, wearing out, slowing, eroding, getting old and dying, losing complexity. We see nothing in the universe that could have caused the complexity that exists. We theorize. We guess. But we see nothing that started the complexity. And entropy says that the complexity is becoming less complex all the time.

When you combine these 3 things along with the definition of the word "God," of what God would have to be if He existed, they prove that God exists. If He didn't, at least one of the three laws would have to be nonexistent. But because all 3 exist, God has to exist.

Think about it. Some time I will do a detailed comparison of the laws to explain it better. But God DOES exist, and these 3 laws of nature that science has discovered prove it.

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September 16, 2015, 01:24:25 PM
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SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

When science will find the laws of creation you will be destroyed.


Thank You.




I have shown the three scientific laws that prove God exists when you combine them. Sometime I will write a detailed post about how it works. But, I will repeat the laws here.

1. Probably the most important is cause and effect, which is also called action and reaction. Newton made it his 3rd Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that there is no pure random. Real random doesn't exist. Everything in the universe is programmed. There is no free will or freedom of choice, even though we feel that there is.

You need to study Quantum mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

There is where Albert Einstein got lost: "God plays dices with the Universe".

What you say: "This means that there is no pure random." was believed before 1924 and de De Broglie hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

It's a duality.

"God plays dices with the Universe"

2. The law of universal complexity is not really a law. It is an observation. There is much complexity in existence. The human brain and human mind are among the most complex things in the universe. And they are so highly complex that we are having problems finding out how they work, even though we are making progress slowly.

Thank You.

3. The law of universal entropy. Entropy in its simple form says that everything is running down, wearing out, slowing, eroding, getting old and dying, losing complexity. We see nothing in the universe that could have caused the complexity that exists. We theorize. We guess. But we see nothing that started the complexity. And entropy says that the complexity is becoming less complex all the time.

Entropy is a measure of disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

When you combine these 3 things along with the definition of the word "God," of what God would have to be if He existed, they prove that God exists. If He didn't, at least one of the three laws would have to be nonexistent. But because all 3 exist, God has to exist.

Think about it. Some time I will do a detailed comparison of the laws to explain it better. But God DOES exist, and these 3 laws of nature that science has discovered prove it.

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Nice idea but there is no scientific proof that G-d exist, however with the dualism Wave-Matter of the particle we are closer to it.


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September 16, 2015, 02:50:32 PM
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I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.
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September 16, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
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I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

I think those in power are atheists, they just don't promote it cause the majority of "common" people are brainwashed.

I'm into creating universes, smiting people, writing holy books and listening to Prayer Messages (PMs).
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I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

What's wrong with Americans and Authority?


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September 16, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
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I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

I think those in power are atheists, they just don't promote it cause the majority of "common" people are brainwashed.

If you think they'd get less votes if they came out and said they're not religious, I suppose there may be some truth to that. But many people are waking up to the fact that they're not the religion they say they are anyway.

I think those in power have proof that the Lord exists, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

What's wrong with Americans and Authority?

Do you mean the US of A? I'm from the US, so I certainly don't mean the people in general.

But the people actually pulling the strings all over the entire world, know. What's wrong with authority in general? Nothing. But, Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
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September 16, 2015, 04:28:38 PM
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But, Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

Thank you for the information.

Now... what's wrong with you and short answers?

"Just trying to get a connection with our "brothers" from the other side of the Ocean".


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September 16, 2015, 04:42:52 PM
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I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

Corrected

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I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

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So: that is what this is about MakingMoneyHoney and maybe all the atheists in the world... they think G-d is an alien?


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I think those in power have proof that the aliens exist, they're just not telling people, because people are easier to control this way.

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So: that is what this is about MakingMoneyHoney and maybe all the atheists in the world... they think G-d is an alien?

No, this is about conspiracy theories people have the fancy for. This doesn't in the least mean that they don't exist, though (both conspiracies and aliens)

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No, this is about conspiracy theories people have the fancy for. This doesn't in the least mean that they don't exist, though (both conspiracies and aliens)

That's OT.

This forum is about "Why do atheists hate Religion?": you can answer the question directly or discuss about atheism and religion.

Conspiracies and aliens are neither atheism neither religion.

What's your point in that discussion?


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SCIENCE WILL FIND THE LAWS OF CREATION ..THEN ARE WE GODS

When science will find the laws of creation you will be destroyed.


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I have shown the three scientific laws that prove God exists when you combine them. Sometime I will write a detailed post about how it works. But, I will repeat the laws here.

1. Probably the most important is cause and effect, which is also called action and reaction. Newton made it his 3rd Law. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This means that there is no pure random. Real random doesn't exist. Everything in the universe is programmed. There is no free will or freedom of choice, even though we feel that there is.

You need to study Quantum mechanics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics

There is where Albert Einstein got lost: "God plays dices with the Universe".

What you say: "This means that there is no pure random." was believed before 1924 and de De Broglie hypothesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

It's a duality.

"God plays dices with the Universe"

2. The law of universal complexity is not really a law. It is an observation. There is much complexity in existence. The human brain and human mind are among the most complex things in the universe. And they are so highly complex that we are having problems finding out how they work, even though we are making progress slowly.

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3. The law of universal entropy. Entropy in its simple form says that everything is running down, wearing out, slowing, eroding, getting old and dying, losing complexity. We see nothing in the universe that could have caused the complexity that exists. We theorize. We guess. But we see nothing that started the complexity. And entropy says that the complexity is becoming less complex all the time.

Entropy is a measure of disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy

When you combine these 3 things along with the definition of the word "God," of what God would have to be if He existed, they prove that God exists. If He didn't, at least one of the three laws would have to be nonexistent. But because all 3 exist, God has to exist.

Think about it. Some time I will do a detailed comparison of the laws to explain it better. But God DOES exist, and these 3 laws of nature that science has discovered prove it.

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Nice idea but there is no scientific proof that G-d exist, however with the dualism Wave-Matter of the particle we are closer to it.


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Quantum mechanics is simply complex probability. That's why QM can only be used to back up some other form of science. It can't be used as the base for science itself.

In QM, you can find any answer. You can prove that the universe is 13 billion light years in diameter. You can also use QM to prove that the universe is 1 inch in diameter. It simply matters what you are trying to prove.

Because of this, QM can be used to prove pure random at the same time it can be used to prove that there is no pure random. It can be used to prove cause and effect, at the same time that it can be used to disprove cause and effect.

Quantum mechanics is terrific when you are on the right track, because it can show you aspects of the right track you would have never thought of. But when you are on the wrong track, QM will lead you as far astray as you will let it.

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Entropy has to do with thermodynamic equilibrium. The universe is constantly coalescing into a basic energy/mass throughout. No stars. No planets. No heat or cold. Everything equal throughout.

If the universe had existed forever, it would have coalesced entirely long ago. The fact that there is the great complexity that exists, shows that there is something that is of even greater complexity that set this whole thing going. The kind of complexity that exists shows that the Maker fits our definition of God.

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