Martin Armstrong Discussion

[TPTB_need_war]

Armstrong has picked up on our upthread theme that Westerners are humanists who think they are in control of nature:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35938

Why is it that I often wrote his blog posts for him in advance 

[username18333]

Why is it that I often wrote his blog posts for him in advance  

Similar employers?  

[TPTB_need_war]

Similar employers?  

Haha yeah "we the socialist people".

He always spins the concepts in support of his "we are all in this together" and thus his proposed socialistic "solutions".

I am of course fiercely for individualism and anonymous (autonomous) commerce and end of the State.

No way I could join the banksters and investment moguls. I want to destroy their paradigm. I want to make it irrelevant to accumulate large amounts of capital. I want to make money have a high slope of declining marginal utility. In other words, more money than you can actively invest in your Knowledge Age production, will become worthless to you in a zero margin tangible world (manufactured products will be nearly free).

[username18333]

Similar employers?  

Haha yeah "we the socialist people".

He always spins the concepts in support of his "we are all in this together" and thus his proposed socialistic "solutions".

I am of course fiercely for individualism and anonymous (autonomous) commerce and end of the State.

No way I could join the banksters and investment moguls. I want to destroy their paradigm. I want to make it irrelevant to accumulate large amounts of capital. I want to make money have a high slope of declining marginal utility. In other words, more money than you can actively invest in your Knowledge Age production, will become worthless to you in a zero margin tangible world (manufactured products will be nearly free).

(Colorization mine.)

You would, then, seem a servant of those that have already managed such "accumulat[ion]" (TPTB_need_war).

[TPTB_need_war]

No their accumulated digits (and social power) can become worthless in the sense they get negative rates of relative return. Knowledge Age workers will be generating 1000% per annum gains on their capital. It is a process. We don't take their capital away overnight, but over a few years.

And that is why OROBTC can still make a living selling bearings because the cost of bearings isn't going to near zero overnight. And he will have time to adjust and transition. He will find his niche in the Knowledge Age. The Knowledge Age is not about making our lives worse, rather the opposite.

[username18333]

No their accumulated digits (and social power) can become worthless in the sense they get negative rates of relative return. Knowledge Age workers will be generating 1000% per annum gains on their capital. It is a process. We don't take their capital away overnight, but over a few years.

And that is why OROBTC can still make a living selling bearings because the cost of bearings isn't going to near zero overnight. And he will have time to adjust and transition. He will find his niche in the Knowledge Age. The Knowledge Age is not about making our lives worse, rather the opposite.

What prevents "the People" from becoming "the[ir] [Sh]eople" (below, embodied by Euthyphro)? (Note: the aforementioned is, psychologically, an "ag[es] old" dilemma.)

[13e] that serves shipbuilders serves to produce?

Euthyphro
Evidently, Socrates, a ship.

Socrates
And that which serves housebuilders serves to build a house?

Euthyphro
Yes.

Socrates
Then tell me, my friend; what would the art which serves the [plutocrat]s serve to accomplish? For it is evident that you know, since you say you know more than any other man about matters which have to do with the [plutocrat]s.

Euthyphro
And what I say is true, Socrates.

Socrates
Then, in the name of Zeus, tell me, what is that glorious result which the [plutocrat]s accomplish by using us as servants?

Euthyphro
They accomplish many fine results, Socrates.

[macsga]

I've been reading carefully what M.A. wrote as an answer in this post:

QUESTION: Marty— Every post is enlightening. I was intrigued that there is no ‘plunge protection team’. I believe you, because you have been behind the curtain. Then what is the ‘Presidents Working Group’ and what does Kevin Henry do? Enlighten me more!

Thank you.

RK


ANSWER: That was a presidential executive order from 1988. I myself was called in back then because of the 1987 Crash. If such a team existed, then what happened in the 2000 Dot.COM bubble crash? Where were they in 2007-2009? I guarantee you they will not be there the next time either.

There is a huge difference from claiming to create some committee and actually having power, funding, etc to do such a job. The closest you have to that is simply the Federal Reserve. They lowered interest rates to help the banks and are now trapped. They have screwed the entire pension fund community and you have the rest of the world pleading with them not to raise rates, but the fact of the matter is there is no such omnipotent group pulling the strings perfectly.

More here:
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35973

All in all the question is pretty straight forward. Are there any PTB? Could MA really believes what he's stating or he's covering up something that he knows already?

[TPTB_need_war]

Armstrong is saying in other recent essay that if there are these great powerful elite who control everything and the world, then what is the point we can't win so just give up. So he has taken the position in his mind that there can't be, otherwise there is no degrees-of-freedom.

He is looking at it too much B&W. Rather there are powerful global elite, but they can't control everything. And who knows to what extent they try to manipulate markets. I tend to agree with MA, they don't manipulate much (nature is much more powerful and the markets are far too broad for the elite to permanently control) rather they front run their own clients.

The power of the elite is due to deception, not actual power. We the people have the power. We could crush them overnight if we were organized.

[macsga]

He's wrong, or he's a part of them; he might be our glimpse of the things to come, from their perspective. I repeat what I wrote elsewhere a couple of months ago, that the scenario where there's no Powers That Be, is worse than the one that they're alive and running the World. I don't know if they form a league, a plutocratic cast, or there are in the form of diversified centers of control, so to speak.

In any case, if they are there, I'm really wondering if they are terrified as I am right now, knowing that all the economic establishment goes down the drain. Have they made their preparations? In what way? Is Bitcoin their "Plan B"? Cataclysmic events of this magnitude are non predictable, thus non controllable. There's virtually no technology to eliminate a tornado if it's started and it's in full power. We can only predict its catastrophic mania and calculate the possible losses. That's about it.

"The End Of Government" means "The ship has lost its wheel", end of story. And that's terrifying. 

[TPTB_need_war]

Why do you assume we are headed to end of government? From TPTB's perspective, they think they can maintain control and milk the population like cows.

They have misallocated vast amounts of real capital with their debt apparatus, yet the human race is so productive, we still can't collapse human civilization. Exhibit the work on decentralized technologies.

[macsga]

Why do you assume we are headed to end of government? From TPTB's perspective, they think they can maintain control and milk the population like cows.

They have misallocated vast amounts of real capital with their debt apparatus, yet the human race is so productive, we still can't collapse human civilization. Exhibit the work on decentralized technologies.

I'll explain. It's easy to control the masses via money or via a war. War is too risky; no one will take the risk to restart the human race after a WWIII. So it's only money as a mass control device. If their control device collapses, there's a great chance people will form small communities and avoid large corporations to serve them. "MONEY makes the world go around" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q), but what would be there if there's no more money? Or, to put it better, if money lose its value? What if, everybody knows that this is just a smoke layer that covers the truth: That they've been using money all those years to keep the people under their will?

So, it's The End of Government.

[TPTB_need_war]

The outcome as always will be a mixture.

It is rare to walk into a room with no oxygen atoms floating there.

Absolutism is inconsistent with thermodynamics.

[macsga]

The outcome as always will be a mixture.

It is rare to walk into a room with no oxygen atoms floating there.

Very much agree. We're actually a part of it; you know that much, we're worried about it, you anxiously working on an alternative, we both know we deserve better than this. There's always entropy within the Chaos. A tiny bit, is sufficient.

PS: Goodnight from Greece.

[TPTB_need_war]

All of the above. Internal and external simultaneously. As happened to Rome.

But the true international elite are consolidating global power and have a long range focus in terms of creative destruction.

They understand that societies love debt and collectivism and thus the overall trend is always to increase their power.

But that is inconsistent with Second Law of Thermodynamics, thus their NWO world has to be a dying one. They may take down billions with them. Nature will help them. Nature does creative destruction too to remove these pesky collectivists. Pandemic might be on tap. We're due.

[TPTB_need_war]

The corporations are in it for themselves, not for you the USA citizen. With billions of people in Asia, the corporations can get rich seeing those billions rise from $3 per day to $20 per day, while the Westerner falls from $200 per day to $20 per day. Their profit will increase massively while the Westerner falls down to lower level.

April 2013 was when Snowden made his final moves to attack the USA and destroy it. Who will ever trust the USG again? I never will. The chart below was first produced in the 1980s. And it predicted exactly when Snowden would act.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/16967



http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/17972

The US will break up, but it should not go into a MADMAX event as long as we reach resistance from the people. If the people keep just watching their sports and never notice what the governments are doing to their future until it is too late, then it can go too far and that in the MADMAX event the ended the Roman Empire.

[trollercoaster]

Us outsiders of the U.S.A are seeing a break up along racial lines in the U.S.A causing friction among the youth, I think you will see a growing number of racially motivated gangs emerge?

Thoughts Americanos?

I suppose it's everywhere, people looking for a scapegoat, but may become a bigger problem in areas given a heavy dose of multiculturalism.

Edit: what I am seeing everywhere.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/15689

[bigtimespaghetti]

Us outsiders of the U.S.A are seeing a break up along racial lines in the U.S.A causing friction among the youth, I think you will see a growing number of racially motivated gangs emerge?

Thoughts Americanos?

I suppose it's everywhere, people looking for a scapegoat, but may become a bigger problem in areas given a heavy dose of multiculturalism.

Edit: what I am seeing everywhere.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/15689

Britain has heavily relied on immigrants for war and jobs in the past and present. Many immigrant waves have successfully integrated into the UK- many African and in particular Polish, Indian and Chinese immigrants. I have seen a lot less (but still some) outright racism towards these groups than to the relative tsunami of immigrants that have arrived in the UK over the last 15-20 years where assimilation into British culture has been slow and shaky (if it has happened at all)- this has caused some tensions and I'm interested to see how it will resolve. This is currently taboo in British politics (apart from some fringes) and is largely centred around muslim immigrants.
Please note I am generalising, I know many muslims who are peaceable decent people both in London and where I live now. It is interesting to note that there seem to be almost exactly the same tensions here in The Netherlands too.

There was a recent 'White Man's March' in Liverpool, England. There were I think 2 counter protests (anti racist), causing the police to basically act as a barrier between them. This shows me that both extremes miss the entire point of cultural consistency as a strength of society to cooperate, understand each other and thrive. One side blindly hating and another blindly following their political correctness and ideology over a cliff in group-think. I do not think there will be any race related gangs popping up in England (apart from the ones that already exist in the 'impoverished' areas) any time soon. I can see small groups forming in the countryside in a mad max scenario, but that is currently a very extreme outcome.

edit: I bring up the hard-right march as an example of British culture's reaction to ant-immigrant sentiment. I am not a proponent of hard-right race based fringe groups. This could also be a reflection of the UK's views on equality, but not, I fear on free speech (which is actually non existent in the UK).

[macsga]

This is from the Telegraph, on Aug.16:

Doomsday clock for global market crash strikes one minute to midnight as central banks lose control
China currency devaluation signals endgame leaving equity markets free to collapse under the weight of impossible expectations
It is only a matter of time before stock markets collapse under the weight of their lofty expectations and record valuations

When the banking crisis crippled global markets seven years ago, central bankers stepped in as lenders of last resort. Profligate private-sector loans were moved on to the public-sector balance sheet and vast money-printing gave the global economy room to heal.

Time is now rapidly running out. From China to Brazil, the central banks have lost control and at the same time the global economy is grinding to a halt. It is only a matter of time before stock markets collapse under the weight of their lofty expectations and record valuations.

The FTSE 100 has now erased its gains for the year, but there are signs things could get a whole lot worse.

This is from today's Business Insider:



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-riskiest-sovereign-bonds-ranked-2015-8?utm_content=buffer25fef&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

This is from yesterday's RT:


Gerald Celente, the founder of Trends Research, who predicted the “panic of 2008,” says the economic earthquake will send reverberations around the world.

“You’re going to see a global stock market crash,” Celente told King World News. “There’s going to be panic on the streets from Wall Street to Shanghai, to the UK down to Brazil.”

“You’re going to see one market after another begin to collapse.”

Doug Casey, a successful investor and the head of Casey Research, saw little to be upbeat about in the current economic climate.

"With these stupid governments printing trillions and trillions of new currency units," Casey, describing the US Federal Reserve’s quantitative easing program, told Reason magazine in a recent interview, “it's building up to a catastrophe of historic proportions."

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/312576-september-economy-crash-eclipse/

Word is spreading, we're going for a nuke-boom, as predicted here several months ago. Weeks? A month? Let's see.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/the-riskiest-sovereign-bonds-ranked-2015-8?utm_content=buffer25fef&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

That chart reflects speculator expectations for the near-term. It does not reflect speculator expectations for the medium-term. Thus the chart does not convey the information that the northern European banks are highly leveraged to the PIIGS sovereign debt crisis, and so if the PIIGS default then the German banks will need a public bailout. Will the bailout come from the Germans alone or will the debt problem of the EU be consolidated onto a federalized EU with new taxation powers for the EU destroying national sovereignty. For me this isn't even a question. It is clear why this crisis was manufactured by TPTB.

Back on the point of whether we will see the End of Government. No. TPTB (the capitalist network that rules the dying Industrial Age) is consolidating economies-of-scale because the Industrial Age is dying. So the large fish must eat the smaller fish in order to survive.

The people are fooled and believe they need the Industrial Age socialism model and are clinging to that, thus they will ride this NWO down into its top-down centralized, eugenics destiny with the USA declining from April 2013 at its 224-year peak (when Edward Snowden made his final plans to expose the NSA) to an eventual breakup by the 309th year of its cycle.

So no end of government for the masses. Yet many people will adopt the individually autonomous Knowledge Age and break free from that morass much sooner. That is why there will be a mixed outcome, initially with a waterfall collapse outside the USA, then with a long-term declining West and a rising East after 2020. However that East will be much more totalitarian (top-down obedient) that we were accustomed to in the West (note my comment on the linked page).

[macsga]

So no end of government for the masses. Yet many people will adopt the individually autonomous Knowledge Age and break free from that morass much sooner. That is why there will be a mixed outcome, initially with a waterfall collapse outside the USA, then with a long-term declining West and a rising East after 2020. However that East will be much more totalitarian (top-down obedient) that we were accustomed to in the West (note my comment on the linked page).

Such a scenario will have to include an alternative to the current monetary system. A Money V.2.0, if you prefer, so that TPTB will still remain at their position and -maybe- even make it stronger. I predict that -if such a transition occurs- some of us will have the ability to upgrade our thesis and *maybe* even form a cluster of opposition. Technology presents a nice weapon for the Knowledge Age, also as, the new generation presents an increased factor of productivity on tech matters.

Interconnected companies are forming the current power scheme, will most probably keep their stand, but this is not a 100% certainty. Not when new tech is rushing out and new companies are being formed at a fast pace. Up until now it was possible to accumulate most of them, but what about after the monetary transition (assuming there will be one)? I'm pretty confident we will have our chance to fight back...