Martin Armstrong Discussion

[rpietila]

AltcoinUK, I am not going to set a threshold as high as $112,000 for the donation bounty on that one anonymity invention, even though I think it is a very significant feature. I am just stating what my earning opportunity cost had been inflation-adjusted from 2001. So hopefully the market will understand I am not going to give that feature away for $10,000.

The way it works is that you first decide what level of control you want to retain, and whether it is
- by charter
- by preferred shares, or
- by majority/required supermajority of shares.

Then you write the charter. Then you sell the shares up to the number you want. Then we have a 24/7 market where they are traded. If your project is perceived good, people will buy up the shares, and you can sell more if you have more monetary needs.

CK's own financing like this has allowed me to keep about 45% of the shares and accumulate 25% of the other assets in the game. It has been about a wash cash-flow wise and prevented me from working in another project for a year.

But I still have the 45% superminority of the shares, and they are worth $200k or something. A year ago I was where you are now, holding an infinitely powerful idea in my head worth billions, valued at $0 and owning 100% of it.

In 2013, I made $millions in BTC. It's at least possible that 2016 will become the first payout year from all I have done since the last BTC bubble.

Please consider what are the:
- contributions you need
- limits of influence you must retain
- money you require
- plan for acquiring more stakeholders to increase public skin in the game and rake money out yourself
- what the owners ultimately get.

[trollercoaster]

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/38311

Why We Are Doomed To Repeat History?

QUESTION:

Martin, Why do citizens of a country continually allow their government to destroy the nation without putting up a “real” fight? You have given many examples and no one ever seems to fight until things get really, really bad and it’s too late.

Regards,

MLO

ANSWER: This is the sad state of affairs. People who do not believe we can forecast the future never look at the past. They are delusional to assume we have “free will” that somehow implies intelligence at a collective level. Some of us see the patterns that others will never see. The truth is the truth. The old saying that “a house divided will always fall” is very true. There are always two camps throughout history and they become the driving force between the rise and the fall of all civilizations, empires, nations and city-states.

Politicians become corrupt because we do not pay attention. We get mad only when it becomes intolerable. Then it reaches a boiling point and boom — revolution or war. It is rather disgusting that we cannot seem to escape this cycle for thousands of years.

This post is important, read it until it sinks in

[farfiman]

Why We Are Doomed To Repeat History?

Simple reason. We are the same humans as before. Circumstances change but we don't.
In the end our deep desires and fears will drive us to the same results at all levels.

[suda123]

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/38311

Why We Are Doomed To Repeat History?

QUESTION:

Martin, Why do citizens of a country continually allow their government to destroy the nation without putting up a “real” fight? You have given many examples and no one ever seems to fight until things get really, really bad and it’s too late.

Regards,

MLO

ANSWER: This is the sad state of affairs. People who do not believe we can forecast the future never look at the past. They are delusional to assume we have “free will” that somehow implies intelligence at a collective level. Some of us see the patterns that others will never see. The truth is the truth. The old saying that “a house divided will always fall” is very true. There are always two camps throughout history and they become the driving force between the rise and the fall of all civilizations, empires, nations and city-states.

Politicians become corrupt because we do not pay attention. We get mad only when it becomes intolerable. Then it reaches a boiling point and boom — revolution or war. It is rather disgusting that we cannot seem to escape this cycle for thousands of years.

This post is important, read it until it sinks in

I honestly have a feeling it's different this time around.

[trollercoaster]

I don't hold high hopes for the collective..

[OROBTC]

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/38311

Why We Are Doomed To Repeat History?

QUESTION:

Martin, Why do citizens of a country continually allow their government to destroy the nation without putting up a “real” fight? You have given many examples and no one ever seems to fight until things get really, really bad and it’s too late.

Regards,

MLO

ANSWER: This is the sad state of affairs. People who do not believe we can forecast the future never look at the past. They are delusional to assume we have “free will” that somehow implies intelligence at a collective level. Some of us see the patterns that others will never see. The truth is the truth. The old saying that “a house divided will always fall” is very true. There are always two camps throughout history and they become the driving force between the rise and the fall of all civilizations, empires, nations and city-states.

Politicians become corrupt because we do not pay attention. We get mad only when it becomes intolerable. Then it reaches a boiling point and boom — revolution or war. It is rather disgusting that we cannot seem to escape this cycle for thousands of years.

This post is important, read it until it sinks in

I honestly have a feeling it's different this time around.

History does tend to show that mankind does not learn much from past mistakes.  Part of this (my guess) is that whatever one generation has "learned" from their own mistakes is forgotten or other unlearned by the next generations.  So my guess is that it's not different this time...


troller

I don't hold any high hopes for the collective either.  As Maggie said (my paraphrase), Socialism works just fine until it runs out of other people's money.

And, my guess here is that when the USA (Oz too?) runs out of "other people's money", that the reactions will be EPIC, lots of social unrest.

[macsga]

History does tend to show that mankind does not learn much from past mistakes.  Part of this (my guess) is that whatever one generation has "learned" from their own mistakes is forgotten or other unlearned by the next generations.  So my guess is that it's not different this time...
troller

I don't hold any high hopes for the collective either.  As Maggie said (my paraphrase), Socialism works just fine until it runs out of other people's money.

And, my guess here is that when the USA (Oz too?) runs out of "other people's money", that the reactions will be EPIC, lots of social unrest.

Unfortunately, collective mind is rather "the next" big revolution, and I cannot see it happening in our times. We're nowhere near to that. Our egos and selfishness grow bigger rather than decrease. We're debating on practically ANYTHING with the sense that WE are the best of all around, while at the bottom of it all we want to see and hear is our own words and opinion. The idea to evolve from one state to another, to make something differently, is to ACT differently.

For this, each man (and then the community) need to collectively act towards bigger, better things. Egoism and self flattering leads the society nowhere. We need to be compassionate, helpful, MODEST and act better than our ancestors; or we will have to repeat history as Martin Armstrong predicts. There are signs that we're moving to the right direction, but the remaining time is rather minimal.

I surely can hope that suda123 has it right; but I'm confident that we're way below what it takes.

[TPTB_need_war]

FYI, I composed a guide about all coins sold as unregistered ICOs are illegal, which was my reply to rpietila's post up thread.

This post is important, read it until it sinks in

Magsca, I entirely disagree with you about a collectively higher consciousness (which is yet another anecdotal example of perhaps pervasive European humanist philosophy, i.e. that man can collectively improve and be superior to nature). Armstrong's point is that collectively we are a Strange Attractor in chaos and have a cyclical predictable outcome, because of for example the inalienable/inescapable power vacuum that is created by collectivized action and thought (group think) which leads to the political and economic boom and busts of the political-economy.

Rather it is freely annealing individual rises in consciousness that spontaneously form fitness. Again I refer to my blog (for the upteenth time) which no one can seem to grasp:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

I am getting close to my final post in the Economics forum. One more to do on my recent health insights, therapy and results, including positing a characterization/diagnosis the historic results. I wrote a concise summary already:

Note I am composing a post about my recent epiphany on diagnosing and treating my chronic illness (in short "inflammation cascade" due to glutathione deficiency originally triggered by imbalances brought on by numerous severe gut infections) and will link to it today.

[macsga]

Let me refrain myself from refuting the theories you posted on your blog (which I personally think are WAY off-scale-past-tense in 2015). It will add nothing to you, to point you to PhD papers written in the last decade that outperform (some of) your writings, because you probably will think that you've done PERFECT research about matters that you -even remotely- cannot understand.

So, I'll leave you be with your own point of view, whether I personally see it myopic, short sighted and extremely arteriosclerotic to name a few Greek words that describe your incapability to understand that it's not enough for a man to be smart to be able to understand EVERYTHING around him. It requires open mindedness and the ability to understand that every once in awhile, he actually might got something wrong.

Please go on with your life, I got a nice lesson from you, that actually a very bright mind can also be so short sighted. I wish you the best with your health issues, this is the last time I'm addressing you - as you wished.

[rpietila]

The current discussion has made me regard the Europeans much higher than before 

[TPTB_need_war]

One could simply point to the published science and the evidence and then all the slander against me could be avoided, because I am a rational person who will read the data and change my knowledge based on the facts.

Quite simple isn't it. Yet instead you guys would rather gloat, so that causes me to think perhaps it is not me who is in delusion.

[OROBTC]

...

rpietila (and everyone)

I always feel more comfortable writing about certain Europeans than them as a whole.  Armstrong just posted a piece on France:

"The Coming French Revolution of 2020?"

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/38109

He discusses how France has always had various kinds of social problems in recent years, particularly referring back to the 1968 student riots.  De Gaulle apparently left France briefly during those troubles (I did not know that until reading his piece).  Armstrong also pastes current French president Hollande.

Unaddressed in this article of Armstrong's is what will happen later with all the Muslims infesting France, although he may have discussed this elsewhere in his work (again, I have not comprehensively read Armstrong).

*   *   *

I just finished reading an interesting book: The Global Code, by Dr. Clotaire Rapaille.  His book is about a very elite group whom we used to call "the jet-set".  These are the people (usually very rich, but not necessarily) who fly the world in private jets, attend charity balls, speak many languages, have influential friends all over the world, etc.  He makes an interesting case (although I have not made up my mind how valid) that "The Global Tribe" (no, not Rothschilds and Jews) will become the new pilots of Spaceship Earth by leadership in ideas, culture and understanding more about other cultures.

Rapaille also pastes Hollande, hates him worse than he hates Obama and Putin (he dislikes all three -- point in his favor).

[TPTB_need_war]

I always feel more comfortable writing about certain Europeans than them as a whole.

Presumably(?) because you prefer social harmony over truth. Better to let them slay my idol so you can be not disliked. But who will they remember 50 years from now, me or you.

I have yet to meet a European (other than perhaps the 2-3 exceptional younger ones I know) who didn't have some top-down management and collective improvement philosophy ingrained in their outlook. Some (minority of) Americans simply grab the task they can do and ignore the machinations of managers, planning, studies, intellectualism, collective organization and other gridlock, time-wasting, grandiosity.

Once I have an experience of meeting one who doesn't exhibit that trait, then I can say not all. Still waiting...

[OROBTC]

I always feel more comfortable writing about certain Europeans than them as a whole.

Because you prefer social harmony over truth.

I have yet to meet a European (other than perhaps the 2-3 exceptional younger ones I know) who didn't have some top-down management and collective improvement philosophy ingrained in their outlook. Some Americans simply grab the task they can do and ignore the machinations of managers, planning, collective organization and other gridlock, time-wasting, grandiosity.

No, that's not it, mi amigo.

I have run into Europeans (even over in Europe) who are just as individual-oriented as Americans are.  I do concede that Europeans who come to America are typically more individualistic than those who stay over there.  And of course, there is a tendency for Europeans to be more collectivist than Americans. A tendency!  

There are plenty of Europeans who are very entrepreneurial: I believe out own rpietila is a perfect example.  But, who are the leaders in BTC hardware wallets (Ledger, Trezor, etc.)?  Europeans.  I personally know Italians who are not collectivists (well, they do have money, and one of them really loves his guns).

If you knew me, you would know that "social harmony" is not one of my strong points......  

[suda123]

FYI, I composed a guide about all coins sold as unregistered ICOs are illegal, which was my reply to rpietila's post up thread.

This post is important, read it until it sinks in

Magsca, I entirely disagree with you about a collectively higher consciousness (which is yet another anecdotal example of perhaps pervasive European humanist philosophy, i.e. that man can collectively improve and be superior to nature). Armstrong's point is that collectively we are a Strange Attractor in chaos and have a cyclical predictable outcome, because of for example the inalienable/inescapable power vacuum that is created by collectivized action and thought (group think) which leads to the political and economic boom and busts of the political-economy.

Rather it is freely annealing individual rises in consciousness that spontaneously form fitness. Again I refer to my blog (for the upteenth time) which no one can seem to grasp:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

I am getting close to my final post in the Economics forum. One more to do on my recent health insights, therapy and results, including positing a characterization/diagnosis the historic results. I wrote a concise summary already:

Note I am composing a post about my recent epiphany on diagnosing and treating my chronic illness (in short "inflammation cascade" due to glutathione deficiency originally triggered by imbalances brought on by numerous severe gut infections) and will link to it today.

All this time you had a damn blog, jesus christ finally.

[TPTB_need_war]

I have run into Europeans (even over in Europe) who are just as individual-oriented as Americans are.

Well now I have to discern whether you are a good judge of that trait or not (so I could weight your report as counter to my experience).

There are plenty of Europeans who are very entrepreneurial: I believe out own rpietila is a perfect example.

You mean the guy who was being surety (in defiance of the Proverb in the Bible) for every newbie investor and hamming us all to HODL from $700 down to $150 in his heavily moderated threads where he was acting like a king in his castle (he really owns one).

Afaics, rpietila is a some kind of mix of individualism and idolization of top-down organization. He did stand up to the State regarding when they confiscated his silver and he apparently implemented my clever suggestion of selling the silver (which the government had confiscated) to individuals. So I was quite shocked at some of the things he did at Bitcointalk.org in terms of trying to control others from the top-down, as he is also probably not understanding some of my what perhaps appears to be chaotic actions (decentralized annealing does appear to be quite chaotic to the distant observer because they are seeing aliasing error because they can't track every event). So I am not quite sure. I am fairly certain rpietila is a very ethical person, who believes in capitalism and free markets, but there is also something there I don't understand, about top-down organization. Don't ask me to explain the marriage of concepts. He has his own view, perhaps something like even the Bible talks about we must obey God's law or perhaps something like that. Or that power-law distribution of wealth means some are entrusted to take more control and must be ethical so we can have justice for all.

Whereas, I lean more individualistic than that. I don't really care about social justice at all (or not much). I care about what I can accomplish, about increasing degrees-of-freedom so we are all free to do what we want, and I believe from there maximum fitness will be annealed by the free market.

P.S. none of this is a judgment what is correct. I am just stating what I observe. Judgment is really not ours to render. Nature will.

[OROBTC]

...

Important!  Before clicking the below link, please get your eye-bleach and have it ready for use!

"Clinton Made Student Loans Non-Dischar[g]able"

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/38165


What just struck me is if the USA elects the lyin' Shillarybag, then we are no longer any less sheep than the countries in Europe.  She gets more from Wall Street than any other candidate!

Baaah-aah-aaaah!

[TPTB_need_war]

OROBTC, the Patriots did not elect the Clintons. The mind-programmed zombies did.

The Patriots tend to ignore that is not theirs to control. Waste of time. They focus on what they can do, e.g. buy more hollow point bullets, work hard, etc..

[OROBTC]

I have run into Europeans (even over in Europe) who are just as individual-oriented as Americans are.

Well now I have to discern whether you are a good judge of that trait or not.

There are plenty of Europeans who are very entrepreneurial: I believe out own rpietila is a perfect example.

You mean the guy who was being surety (in defiance of the Proverb in the Bible) for every newbie investor and hamming us all to HODL from $700 down to $150 in his heavily moderated threads where he was acting like a king in his castle (he really owns one).

Afaics, rpietila is a some kind of mix of individualism and idolization of top-down organization. He did stand up to the State regarding when they confiscated his silver and he apparently implemented my clever suggestion of selling the silver (which the government had confiscated) to individuals. So I was quite shocked at some of the things he did at Bitcointalk.org in terms of trying to control others from the top-down, as he is also probably not understanding some of my what perhaps appears to be chaotic actions (decentralized annealing does appear to be quite chaotic to the distant observer because they are seeing aliasing error because they can't track every event). So I am not quite sure. I am fairly certain rpietila is a very ethical person, who believes in capitalism and free markets, but there is also something there I don't understand, about top-down organization. Don't ask me to explain the marriage of concepts. He has his own view, perhaps something like even the Bible talks about we must obey God's law or perhaps something like that. Or that power-law distribution of wealth means some are entrusted to take more control and must be ethical so we can have justice for all.

Whereas, I lean more individualistic than that. I don't really care about social justice at all (or not much). I care about what I can accomplish, about increasing degrees-of-freedom so we are all free to do what we want, and I believe from there maximum fitness will be annealed by the free market.

TPTB

Recall that all individuals are all psychologically all spread-out all over the spectrum.  Lots of overlap.  Collectivists certainly exist here in the USA, big time (see above re Hitlery).  Our "Aggrieved Classes" (we all know who these various classes are) will be delighted to take what's yours...

rpietila does not have to share.  He can be top-down in his business thinking.  It's HIS business!  (All of those notions are kind of American...)

And just try to take away my friend Massimo's guns...  Try!

*   *   *

TPTB just wrote:

"OROBTC, the Patriots did not elect the Clintons. The mind-programmed zombies did."

Well, yes.  The Europeans LOVE the Clintons, many of them anyway............................  The Europeans (over-generalizing) did NOT like George W. Bush, a quintessential American.

[TPTB_need_war]

rpietila does not have to share.  He can be top-down in his business thinking.  It's HIS business!  (All of those notions are kind of American...)

Umm did I say he has to share Did I suggest that anyone should be able to regulate how he runs his business  

I said he was being surety for others by using a lot of top-down control (reputation, self-moderated threads, newbies idoling his new found wealth) to preach to them to HODL from $700 down to $150. (if marketing control over newbie investors is a business model, then he is free to do, I have not advocated the State to shut him down)

I would never ever take on the surety for multitudes that way. I might express my opinion on the future price direction, but I would not make these elaborate postings about how buying at any price is best for every newbie and buying regularly, etc.. This mono-asset type myopia goes along with the lack of degrees-of-freedom in thought required to be willing to be surety for others. He can't deny to himself that many jealous newbies would psychologically be easily drawn into wanting to rely on him, since he is an living example of the Lotto they want to win too. Btw, rpietila didn't get rich by following the advice he was dishing out. He got rich by being very timely about overweighting his investment in Bitcoin (which opposite of the advice of diversifying or buying Bitcoin at any price).

It is much better to think more broadly, openly, and consider much diversity of opportunity costs and scenarios.

People and life are diverse.

And yes I assume there are Europeans of all different stripes. As I said, I have already 3 younger Europeans who sort of defy my experience to the extent I know them well enough I am not sure. But as for Europeans I have met in my travels in the Philippines and postings I've seen on these forums, they all tend to love social justice at least.

I view Americans on a scale of about 4-5 in between filipinos at 7-8 and Europeans as 1-2 on the individualism scale  (Chinese 0-1?? Koreans 2-3??). The native tribes who roam free nearer to 10. So many Americans are also into controlling other people's lives (they always want to fix somebody else which annoys me) and humanism. Yet we have some Americans who are very isolationist, mind their own business, and just lock and load instead of waste time on grandiose matters.

Any way, this topic is really wasting time. I give all of you the last word. I just wish someone would cite real published science on this. And I do apologize to rpietila for using him as an example. Someone could use me as a case of extreme chaos and anarchy and it might be weird for me to read that. But as long as it is the truth about me, I should be happy with myself. I hope I haven't written anything untruthful about rpietila. Probably he doesn't view what he did with investing advice as surety. He probably views it as giving out information and advising readers to do their own due diligence. Any way I am not sure what he would say and also this entire topic has consumed far too much of my time. I am regretting opening it.

And again perhaps I am entirely wrong. Would love to have some more reliable and clear data points to show me so.

Note when I speak about Europeans I do note that I have only met perhaps a couple of dozen or less. So I am cognizant that my sample size may be too small. But then why can't someone give me some published resource? Very difficult to get the truth. So my statements are only based on my experience to-date and pending further data.