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September 11, 2017, 02:34:00 AM
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Bitcoin literally is virtual gold. If you look into what Gold actually is and why it is so valuable and then compare it to Bitcoin, they are "virtually" Wink the same!
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September 11, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
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I like holdings gold because its price will definitely continue to rise, while holdings bitcoin I think the price is very volatile and the price is not stable
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September 11, 2017, 03:09:22 AM
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Holding of bitcoin and holding of btc has lots of difference. So, its the user who decides based on the necessity. For the one who expects an increased income with much risks in it prefer bitcoin, while the people who expect security for the holdings unlike the profiting prefers gold. This tendency might change when bitcoin gives an assurance of 100% risk free in terms of hacking and other encounters.
yes all in depending on our needs and desires. when we want to get a big profit opportunity in a short time then bitcoin is the right choice, but bitcoin has a very high risk. and when we want a safe long-term investment then gold can be the best choice. it all depends on each choice.
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September 11, 2017, 05:08:39 AM
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Holding of bitcoin and holding of btc has lots of difference. So, its the user who decides based on the necessity. For the one who expects an increased income with much risks in it prefer bitcoin, while the people who expect security for the holdings unlike the profiting prefers gold. This tendency might change when bitcoin gives an assurance of 100% risk free in terms of hacking and other encounters.
yes all in depending on our needs and desires. when we want to get a big profit opportunity in a short time then bitcoin is the right choice, but bitcoin has a very high risk. and when we want a safe long-term investment then gold can be the best choice. it all depends on each choice.

Yes if a person doesn't want to take higher risk then he will always prefer to invest his more money in gold as in long term it will definitely give him good profits and on the other hand bitcoin is very volatile and that makes it a very risky investment as no one is sure what will happen to the price of bitcoins in future but if everything goes smooth then it can give huge profits in very quick time.
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September 11, 2017, 05:32:02 AM
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Are you including central banks etc.

In countries like India its cultural to hold.

Bitcoin is a drop in the ocean compared to market cap of gold.


In India mostly every family holds gold irrespective of the current market prices but gold prices don't fluctuate as much like Bitcoin. But that is what makes Bitcoin profitable if is its prices skyrocket.
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September 11, 2017, 05:50:54 AM
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Really good question Holding of gold vs Holding if btc in hear i want to say if i get a lot of btc then I was holding btc because if i holding btc at a time  i will a lot of money or get more benefit for this btc than as good for holding gold. so i want holding btc.
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September 11, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
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Holding of bitcoin and holding of btc has lots of difference. So, its the user who decides based on the necessity. For the one who expects an increased income with much risks in it prefer bitcoin, while the people who expect security for the holdings unlike the profiting prefers gold. This tendency might change when bitcoin gives an assurance of 100% risk free in terms of hacking and other encounters.
yes all in depending on our needs and desires. when we want to get a big profit opportunity in a short time then bitcoin is the right choice, but bitcoin has a very high risk. and when we want a safe long-term investment then gold can be the best choice. it all depends on each choice.

Yes if a person doesn't want to take higher risk then he will always prefer to invest his more money in gold as in long term it will definitely give him good profits and on the other hand bitcoin is very volatile and that makes it a very risky investment as no one is sure what will happen to the price of bitcoins in future but if everything goes smooth then it can give huge profits in very quick time.
I don't see bitcoin as a risky investment because if bitcoin is a risky investment then there is a lot of good investor will stay away from bitcoin but you can see that the amount of investor and user of bitcoin is keep on increasing and i think it is all up to the information and decision that you will make in order to make bitcoin as a good investment.
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September 13, 2017, 09:56:39 AM
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Holding of gold and holding of btc both are profitable in the long run. Maybe holding btc actually is better because the price is riszing quickly and highly, the gold price is slow and more stable, but its also valuable since it lose never its value.

Yes, both are very beneficial. If you want to take risks with getting rich in quick time we have to hold bitcoin, but if we do not like taking big risks and want to be more safe, gold is the right choice.
 
I think holding bitcoin for long periods is not included in big risk investments, many people say that bitcoin prices will be much higher in the next few years, because bitcoin has the potential to continue to grow, I think if you want to be patient then the risk on bitcoin will decrease
Definitely! This is what I think too. I am very much positive in this aspect. The way Bitcoin market prices have increased in such a short span of time, I think there is no other best option than holding a Bitcoin. Gold is also valuable but it is not that much valuable as is the Bitcoin. I will go for holding of Bitcoin.

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September 13, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
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I am not sure how many of them are holding the gold or bitcoin but for me, I'm the one who falls in the category of people holding bitcoins. After long time I'm feeling very good about my investment as I have taken right decision to invest into bitcoin. I'm pretty sure that gold holders would be more than bitcoin because come on gold is traditional stuff and it is present there since thousands of years. So that's why gold holders will more. But in the current era people holding bitcoin will be more profitable than the gold people and that is the fact which is most considerable here. Why would bother about this question anyway as you are into bitcoin world now. Experience the hikes of bitcoin which are going on since it has been created. In the time to come bitcoin will be even more popular than gold as we think about this question who is holding more.
I will prefer holding my money in btc because of the high rate if volatility (positively though, not in a negative way) Gold has a low rate of being volatile, so you won’t actually be making profits. But if I hold my money in bitcoin, I will be monitoring the price and will never take my eyes off the market. It can crash anytime.
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September 13, 2017, 03:59:46 PM
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Gold will always be valuable, BTC can drop to zero overnight, and i also think people trust what they can touch.
Really ? you are using the Internet and almost information come from the internet such as news, knowledge, etc. So do you trust the internet? we are living in the cyber world which most of things are based on the computer. The world is change right now and so do us. We need to change to adapt to new things and new technology. Bitcoin can become better than gold
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September 13, 2017, 04:03:21 PM
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Does anyone have any idea how many people are using gold as a store of value vs btc?  And how long do you think until we have the same user Base as holders of gold?

Holding of Gold of course because we all know that the value of bitcoin today aren't that stable so it may be risky if we invest our money and cash in it in btc. So I prefered holding golds than btc. And we all know that golds are tge good one to hold today than btc because today we experiencing the dumping of btc because of some issues.




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September 13, 2017, 04:03:58 PM
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I am not sure how many of them are holding the gold or bitcoin but for me, I'm the one who falls in the category of people holding bitcoins. After long time I'm feeling very good about my investment as I have taken right decision to invest into bitcoin. I'm pretty sure that gold holders would be more than bitcoin because come on gold is traditional stuff and it is present there since thousands of years. So that's why gold holders will more. But in the current era people holding bitcoin will be more profitable than the gold people and that is the fact which is most considerable here. Why would bother about this question anyway as you are into bitcoin world now. Experience the hikes of bitcoin which are going on since it has been created. In the time to come bitcoin will be even more popular than gold as we think about this question who is holding more.
I will prefer holding my money in btc because of the high rate if volatility (positively though, not in a negative way) Gold has a low rate of being volatile, so you won’t actually be making profits. But if I hold my money in bitcoin, I will be monitoring the price and will never take my eyes off the market. It can crash anytime.
If you are an active trader then holding bitcoin would be the best thing for you to engage with and i agree on what you said on here regarding on price volatilizes.Bitcoin do moves more than on Gold which we can really make money because the more it moves the possibilities of profits would really be there specially if you are active but its not easy as it sounds because as an active trader you would really be always seeing on the price movement of bitcoin.

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September 13, 2017, 04:08:28 PM
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Does anyone have any idea how many people are using gold as a store of value vs btc?  And how long do you think until we have the same user Base as holders of gold?

I prefered holding btc because we all know that today a bitcoin is a big thing to many people because of its high value. And many people are experienced to earn a lot in btc and by holding it. I also think that bitcoin value will be very high depends on today even if it experiencing a issues today that causing it to dump.


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September 13, 2017, 04:28:28 PM
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Obviously what many people holding in gold but it is rly intereting how many of them started to convert gold in bitcoin?
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September 13, 2017, 05:24:47 PM
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well for me it is so better to have more bitcoins that gold, bitcoin is increasing its own price rapidly while the gold can't just increase its price because of the government that manipulate it, so better to have bitcoins than gold, hold bitcoin.
I agree with you gold is the one thing that price if even it will go high it wont go high as much as bitcoin you can check all the stats of gold and al the stats of bitcoin from the last 5 years to confirm what i am saying.
Now most of peoples have this thinking they want to hold bitcoin instead of Gold because they want some quick profit which is available only through bitcoin Gold price is stuck for some time and then give some reasonable profit but if you can keep eye on current rate then you can earn good profit from Bitcoin which is very useful for many peoples right now
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September 13, 2017, 05:49:32 PM
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Well gold is always preferable.
Bitcoins are unstable.
And holding and saving ur assests as gold has its own advantages and is quite prevent in the society...and also there is no such rule about holding ur money as gold...vs holding it as bitcoins...there are certain countries that might put u in jail for holding ur money as bitcoins...

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September 13, 2017, 05:53:23 PM
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well for me it is so better to have more bitcoins that gold, bitcoin is increasing its own price rapidly while the gold can't just increase its price because of the government that manipulate it, so better to have bitcoins than gold, hold bitcoin.
I agree with you gold is the one thing that price if even it will go high it wont go high as much as bitcoin you can check all the stats of gold and al the stats of bitcoin from the last 5 years to confirm what i am saying.
Now most of peoples have this thinking they want to hold bitcoin instead of Gold because they want some quick profit which is available only through bitcoin Gold price is stuck for some time and then give some reasonable profit but if you can keep eye on current rate then you can earn good profit from Bitcoin which is very useful for many peoples right now

People does not know about bitcoin cannot move to hold the bitcoin and all. There is little dump in the price chart you can utilize this situation and buy the bitcoin compare to savings you prefer in gold. That amount will be grows atleast 500$ more in the price chart. As I know bitcoin is best stock in the world to invest without any fear.
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September 13, 2017, 06:27:06 PM
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Well gold is always preferable.
Bitcoins are unstable.
And holding and saving ur assests as gold has its own advantages and is quite prevent in the society...and also there is no such rule about holding ur money as gold...vs holding it as bitcoins...there are certain countries that might put u in jail for holding ur money as bitcoins...

i think what do you want function investment
if get rertun bitcoin is good, if only saving and longterm gold is good
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September 13, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
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Both are valuable and profitable ways to make money. Holding gold is safe for long and short time but your earning is not expected to be large. While holding Bitcoin is more profitable and you get profit more quickly than holding gold. Sometimes even with bitcoin you need to wait, because the price is volatile and its dropping down recently. But in short, i prefer holding both.
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September 13, 2017, 08:45:04 PM
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Both gold and bitcoins are great investment but there is difference in holding of gold than of bitcoins I think.Holding of gold is very low risk investment and gold's market is stable means there can be profit in later but it would be less if we compare to bitcoins.But holding of bitcoins has some risk investment as what would happen if other crypto currency came up better than bitcoins it would harm bitcoin's value.but profits in bitcoins can be huge as bitcoin's market is very volatile or unstable  which could cause sudden ups and downs.So each holdings have advantage and it's disadvantages.
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