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January 24, 2013, 08:05:53 PM Last edit: January 24, 2013, 08:17:37 PM by BitcoinVideoPoker |
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Please provide as much feedback as you can! We're eager to hear what everyone has to say.
I don't see the rules listed anywhere. How many decks do you use? How many times can I split? Can I hit split aces? Double any two cards? Double after split? Surrender? Dealer hits soft 17? Etc... Sorry! We meant to put the rules out but it completley slipped my mind. Here are the rules: 5 decks, shuffling before each deal Split up to 3 times Can not hit split aces Can resplit aces Can double on anything Can double after split Insurance is available No surrender (yet, we just haven't implemented this. Do you think it's wanted?) Dealer doesn't peek Blackjack pays 3:2 Insurance pays 2:1
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January 24, 2013, 08:10:23 PM |
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The blackjack screen is flashing "PLAY 10 CREDITS" at me, even after I changed the bet size to 6 credits. Is that a bug, or am I misunderstanding what it's trying to tell me? Ah, I can see the confusion here. "PLAY 10 CREDITS" is a banner similar to the video poker one that says "PLAY 5 CREDITS", advertising and enticing you to play up to 10 credits. Your actual bet amount is in the white text, BET 6. That's what you'll pay per hand. I'll note down that this is confusing and we'll do something about it.
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January 24, 2013, 08:19:31 PM |
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Another bug? I cannot act - all the buttons are grey. There was an error message in a pop up dialog, but I didn't make a note of what it said: Just so it doesn't look like I'm ignoring you -- we chatted in the chat system and worked out what happened here. Basically, I restarted the server at the most inopportune moment:) I refunded you the credit for that game and so far it looks like things are going well.
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January 24, 2013, 08:45:06 PM |
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During auto-play, if the correct play is to double, but I don't have enough chips to double, the deposit pop-up keeps appearing and disappearing over and over.
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January 24, 2013, 09:19:28 PM |
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During auto-play, if the correct play is to double, but I don't have enough chips to double, the deposit pop-up keeps appearing and disappearing over and over.
it also did this when you busted your roll in auto-play mode and had it cranked to max bet but only had like 4 credits left (i.e. I don't win the royal flush every time I set it to auto-play and go to bed)
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January 25, 2013, 06:03:04 AM |
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I expect the 2-card outcomes refer to your first two cards only, though it would be better if that was made explicit.
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January 25, 2013, 06:08:44 AM |
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I expect the 2-card outcomes refer to your first two cards only, though it would be better if that was made explicit. Hmm, it said "First card 7" and then "Two 7's" so yeah it's a bit confusing.
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January 25, 2013, 07:21:25 AM |
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Hmm, it said "First card 7" and then "Two 7's" so yeah it's a bit confusing.
Yeah, I don't know. I just tried calculating the expected payout, but got only 62.8%: >>> 100 * (5 * 20*240*258 + 25 * 20*15*240 + 50 * 5*4*4*240 + 250 * (20*19*18-5*4*3*4) + 1000 * 5*4*3*3 + 2149.09 * 5*4*3*1 ) / (260*259*258) 62.80143458050435
Maybe I got the maths wrong (but I don't think so). Maybe I misunderstood what "two 7's" means (but http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/8/#supersevens seems to confirm it's the first 2 cards that count). Or maybe the payout just sucks (until the progressive gets very very high).
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January 25, 2013, 07:32:05 AM |
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No surrender (yet, we just haven't implemented this. Do you think it's wanted?) Every little bit helps. Early surrender, of course, is best of all, but I don't think anyone would offer this in combination with the rest of your fairly favorable ruleset.
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January 25, 2013, 08:29:55 AM Last edit: January 25, 2013, 08:43:44 AM by BitcoinVideoPoker |
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Couple updates: 1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar. 2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail. 3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits! 4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed! This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players. FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:) And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:)
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January 25, 2013, 08:55:31 AM |
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Couple updates: 1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar. 2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail. 3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits! 4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed! This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players. FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:) And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:) First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards?
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January 25, 2013, 09:41:50 AM |
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FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
I made it around 110 BTC: >>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3) 109862
That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card.
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January 25, 2013, 10:16:16 AM |
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Couple updates: 1. We placed a link to the blackjack rules in effect on the left sidebar. 2. Sorry, TradeFortress! Unfortunately, LUCKY 7's only played with the first three cards. Check out the help page for clarity. We'll be expanding this in the future to explain in more detail. 3. We fixed autoplay to not pop up that crazy deposit dialog when you run low on credits! 4. We also fixed the credit display when getting a Blackjack. It used to take a while before the credits would update. That's fixed! This is correct when you don't consider the jackpot, ~65% EV. However, we put 99.5% of the side bet back into the Jackpot, so the jackpot is not only growing with each Blackjack hand played, but also the majority of the side bet money goes into the Jackpot and is eventually returned to the players. FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:) And just to be clear (I apologize that it's not so clear on the web site right now!): it's only your first three cards that matter. Even if you split, we check the first three cards. So feel free to split 7-7, if you want, without fear of losing any jackpot prizes:) First three cards? It is the first three cards.. or do you mean the first two cards? Hmm. First 7 / First 2 sevens / First 3 sevens. If there's something other than a 7, then cards after it do not count. So, if your first three cards are: 7-2-2 you get: one seven 7-7-2 two sevens 7-7-7 three sevens 7-A-7 one seven 6-7-7 zero sevens Does that clear it up?
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January 25, 2013, 10:41:10 AM |
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FWIW, the EV crosses 100% around 70 BTC, if my math is right:)
I made it around 110 BTC: >>> (260*259*258 - 5 * 20*240*258 - 25 * 20*15*240 - 50 * 5*4*4*240 - 250 * (20*19*18 - 5*4*3*4) - 1000 * 5*4*3*3) / (5*4*3) 109862
That's assuming you always deal 3 cards to the player. In practice the player will probably stand with 77 vs 6, not hit to see the 3rd card. The two terms I have differently are: 250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600) 1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240 Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven: http://imgur.com/RJnIBbAHow did you pick the numbers for the 250 win? edit: fixed another number
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January 25, 2013, 03:30:22 PM |
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Awesome! Im a blackjack addict il definitly be playing this.
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January 25, 2013, 07:28:44 PM Last edit: January 25, 2013, 09:59:31 PM by dooglus |
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The two terms I have differently are: 250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600) 1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240 Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven: http://imgur.com/RJnIBbAHow did you pick the numbers for the 250 win? There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds. As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't. My numbers: result pay perms probability odds payout ------ --- -------- ------------ --------- ------ lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000 7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564 77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036 77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553 777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950 777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104 777d 2149 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.0074
total payout is 62.801514%
Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15: >>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations) 17372580 >>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations) 17373720 >>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations) 17373720
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January 28, 2013, 06:54:04 AM |
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The two terms I have differently are: 250: 250 * ( 20 * 15 * 18 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the other suits, last card = any seven) = 5400 (you have 6600) 1000: 1000 * ( 20 * 4 * 3 ) (first card = any 7, second card = one of the remaining 4 sevens that have the same suit, last card = one of the remaining 3 cards) = 240 Anyways. I reran my numbers and I think I was off on one calculation. After adjusting, I get 91k as the pot for breakeven: http://imgur.com/RJnIBbAHow did you pick the numbers for the 250 win? There are indeed 240 ways to get 3 suited 7's, but 60 of them are diamonds, so only 180 are non-diamonds. As for the 250 win, there are 20*19*18 = 6840 ways to get 3 sevens. 4*5*4*3 = 240 of them are suited, so 6840-240 = 6600 are unsuited. Your 5400 number doesn't include the case where the first two 7's are suited, but the 3rd isn't. My numbers: result pay perms probability odds payout ------ --- -------- ------------ --------- ------ lose 0 16037280 0.9230769231 1.083 0.0000 7 5 1238400 0.0712800713 14.029 0.3564 77 25 72000 0.0041441902 241.302 0.1036 77s 50 19200 0.0011051174 904.881 0.0553 777 250 6600 0.0003798841 2632.382 0.0950 777s 1000 180 0.0000103605 96520.667 0.0104 777d 2149 60 0.0000034535 289562.000 0.0074
total payout is 62.801514%
Edit: I notice that in you image the numbers in cells B8-B14 don't sum to the number in B15: >>> 60+240+5400+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of your permutations) 17372580 >>> 60+180+6600+19200+72000+1238400+16037280 # (sum of my permutations) 17373720 >>> 260*259*258 # (real total number of permutations) 17373720
OK, you're right on both the two numbers: 180 for the three suited 7s because diamonds don't count, and I now have the same number you do for the 250 win. I'm still computing about 87 btc as the break even point. http://imgur.com/tCvzdXxThe numbers seem to add up too. Any ideas?
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January 28, 2013, 07:19:44 AM |
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cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
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BitcoinVideoPoker (OP)
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January 28, 2013, 08:38:42 AM |
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cant seem to deposit to the address given in secrete key how or what address do i deposit to I follow instructions on site however It wont allow me to deposit
Hey, sorry! Minor downtime:) It should be good to go now.
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