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February 06, 2015, 04:19:13 AM
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Could you please address your site's stance on using bots to play your games?  Particularly bots playing the games only when the progressive makes it a positive play?

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Bitcoin Video Casino has an API that anybody can use to make their own creations. This can include things such as building a new UI to play the games, creating mobile versions, trying out different AI strategies, etc. We have nothing against people creating bots to play the games. This is essentially what autoplay does already.

What we do have a problem with is people using the API to create bots that play the games too quickly. It's not fair to the other users if the bots can flood the server with too many games per second, especially when the jackpot is +EV. If we detect a user playing, for example, 100 games per second, we flag that as a malicious bot and disable the account.

The problem is that we can't detect users that split the bots over multiple accounts and multiple IP addresses. As far as we can tell, each single account is playing the games at a normal rate. All accounts on Bitcoin Video Casino are anonymous already, so there isn't anything to make these accounts stand out. It would be terrible if we started flagging real human accounts as bots just because they happened to be playing at the same time as the bots.

Some people have suggested extreme measures like forcing regular captchas on all users, but I believe that something like this will make the site less enjoyable for most users. We are still looking for a better solution to detecting malicious bots.

Bitcoin Video Casino absolutely does not operate any bots. We just run an honest site with 0.5% house edge and that's good enough for us. Smiley

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February 13, 2015, 06:34:40 AM
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Could you please address your site's stance on using bots to play your games?  Particularly bots playing the games only when the progressive makes it a positive play?

Sure!

Bitcoin Video Casino has an API that anybody can use to make their own creations. This can include things such as building a new UI to play the games, creating mobile versions, trying out different AI strategies, etc. We have nothing against people creating bots to play the games. This is essentially what autoplay does already.

What we do have a problem with is people using the API to create bots that play the games too quickly. It's not fair to the other users if the bots can flood the server with too many games per second, especially when the jackpot is +EV. If we detect a user playing, for example, 100 games per second, we flag that as a malicious bot and disable the account.

The problem is that we can't detect users that split the bots over multiple accounts and multiple IP addresses. As far as we can tell, each single account is playing the games at a normal rate. All accounts on Bitcoin Video Casino are anonymous already, so there isn't anything to make these accounts stand out. It would be terrible if we started flagging real human accounts as bots just because they happened to be playing at the same time as the bots.

Some people have suggested extreme measures like forcing regular captchas on all users, but I believe that something like this will make the site less enjoyable for most users. We are still looking for a better solution to detecting malicious bots.

Bitcoin Video Casino absolutely does not operate any bots. We just run an honest site with 0.5% house edge and that's good enough for us. Smiley

Yeah, after last night I'm pretty much done with BVC until the bot issue is better addressed. A captcha needs entered plus better filtering. I'll roll 20-30 Bitcoin only because of the hopes of winning it back, but when the bots log on and knock it out in seconds it really leaves a shitty taste in my mouth. Not the fact that I lost the money, it's the fact that I felt like they had an unfair advantage and just are snakes.

Honestly, the main problem might even be the progressive itself. It may just need taken out and the jackpots need hard coded in. The progressives are only benefiting the bot players and it also tends to look really bad on the site owners.

Also what stops the site owners from simply playing against the house when the progressive is up? They know the server seed... It wouldn't make sense for the house to play against itself if all the jackpots were simply flat rate.

The main problem is that you also cannot prove you aren't playing against yourself and robbing us when we are building up the progressives. Without the progressive jackpot then the house percentage and chance to win is heavily skewed.
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February 13, 2015, 08:02:59 AM
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Could you please address your site's stance on using bots to play your games?  Particularly bots playing the games only when the progressive makes it a positive play?

Sure!

Bitcoin Video Casino has an API that anybody can use to make their own creations. This can include things such as building a new UI to play the games, creating mobile versions, trying out different AI strategies, etc. We have nothing against people creating bots to play the games. This is essentially what autoplay does already.

What we do have a problem with is people using the API to create bots that play the games too quickly. It's not fair to the other users if the bots can flood the server with too many games per second, especially when the jackpot is +EV. If we detect a user playing, for example, 100 games per second, we flag that as a malicious bot and disable the account.

The problem is that we can't detect users that split the bots over multiple accounts and multiple IP addresses. As far as we can tell, each single account is playing the games at a normal rate. All accounts on Bitcoin Video Casino are anonymous already, so there isn't anything to make these accounts stand out. It would be terrible if we started flagging real human accounts as bots just because they happened to be playing at the same time as the bots.

Some people have suggested extreme measures like forcing regular captchas on all users, but I believe that something like this will make the site less enjoyable for most users. We are still looking for a better solution to detecting malicious bots.

Bitcoin Video Casino absolutely does not operate any bots. We just run an honest site with 0.5% house edge and that's good enough for us. Smiley

Yeah, after last night I'm pretty much done with BVC until the bot issue is better addressed. A captcha needs entered plus better filtering. I'll roll 20-30 Bitcoin only because of the hopes of winning it back, but when the bots log on and knock it out in seconds it really leaves a shitty taste in my mouth. Not the fact that I lost the money, it's the fact that I felt like they had an unfair advantage and just are snakes.

Honestly, the main problem might even be the progressive itself. It may just need taken out and the jackpots need hard coded in. The progressives are only benefiting the bot players and it also tends to look really bad on the site owners.

Also what stops the site owners from simply playing against the house when the progressive is up? They know the server seed... It wouldn't make sense for the house to play against itself if all the jackpots were simply flat rate.

The main problem is that you also cannot prove you aren't playing against yourself and robbing us when we are building up the progressives. Without the progressive jackpot then the house percentage and chance to win is heavily skewed.

Yes you are probably correct that part of the problem lies in the progressive jackpots themselves. When the jackpot has a positive expected return, there is an incentive for bot operators to quickly play games since in the long run they should come out ahead.

When we created the site, we believed that adding progressive jackpots would be a fun way to make our site stand out from all the others. The jackpots are always changing size, so it serves as an incentive to come back to the site and see how big they are. It also lets some lucky players win big prizes. Therefore, we designed all our games around having progressive jackpots in addition to a low 0.5% house edge. We'd like to think that there are plenty of users that enjoy the jackpots – they probably just aren't as vocal on this forum.

We are worried that if we remove progressive jackpots and use some kind of fixed jackpot system, we will disappoint other users. As far as we can tell, most users come to the site and have a good time. If we start changing things around, that may no longer be the case.

For what it's worth, the most recent 37.048 BTC slots jackpot was won by a player that was playing at a rate of 2 games/second. As far as we can tell, this was a regular user that won the jackpot. Regular users do still win the jackpots. We do also sometimes see that a jackpot is +EV, but nobody is currently playing.

We only ever play the games on the site when testing something out. We never try to win the jackpots. We know that in the long run, with our 0.5% house edge, we will come out ahead, so we don't need to cheat. From a business perspective, it would be devastating to our site if we got caught cheating, so we simply refuse to do it. There are a lot of questionable Bitcoin businesses out there, but we are not one of them.

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February 13, 2015, 05:23:00 PM
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Could you please address your site's stance on using bots to play your games?  Particularly bots playing the games only when the progressive makes it a positive play?

Sure!

Bitcoin Video Casino has an API that anybody can use to make their own creations. This can include things such as building a new UI to play the games, creating mobile versions, trying out different AI strategies, etc. We have nothing against people creating bots to play the games. This is essentially what autoplay does already.

What we do have a problem with is people using the API to create bots that play the games too quickly. It's not fair to the other users if the bots can flood the server with too many games per second, especially when the jackpot is +EV. If we detect a user playing, for example, 100 games per second, we flag that as a malicious bot and disable the account.

The problem is that we can't detect users that split the bots over multiple accounts and multiple IP addresses. As far as we can tell, each single account is playing the games at a normal rate. All accounts on Bitcoin Video Casino are anonymous already, so there isn't anything to make these accounts stand out. It would be terrible if we started flagging real human accounts as bots just because they happened to be playing at the same time as the bots.

Some people have suggested extreme measures like forcing regular captchas on all users, but I believe that something like this will make the site less enjoyable for most users. We are still looking for a better solution to detecting malicious bots.

Bitcoin Video Casino absolutely does not operate any bots. We just run an honest site with 0.5% house edge and that's good enough for us. Smiley

Yeah, after last night I'm pretty much done with BVC until the bot issue is better addressed. A captcha needs entered plus better filtering. I'll roll 20-30 Bitcoin only because of the hopes of winning it back, but when the bots log on and knock it out in seconds it really leaves a shitty taste in my mouth. Not the fact that I lost the money, it's the fact that I felt like they had an unfair advantage and just are snakes.

Honestly, the main problem might even be the progressive itself. It may just need taken out and the jackpots need hard coded in. The progressives are only benefiting the bot players and it also tends to look really bad on the site owners.

Also what stops the site owners from simply playing against the house when the progressive is up? They know the server seed... It wouldn't make sense for the house to play against itself if all the jackpots were simply flat rate.

The main problem is that you also cannot prove you aren't playing against yourself and robbing us when we are building up the progressives. Without the progressive jackpot then the house percentage and chance to win is heavily skewed.

Yes you are probably correct that part of the problem lies in the progressive jackpots themselves. When the jackpot has a positive expected return, there is an incentive for bot operators to quickly play games since in the long run they should come out ahead.

When we created the site, we believed that adding progressive jackpots would be a fun way to make our site stand out from all the others. The jackpots are always changing size, so it serves as an incentive to come back to the site and see how big they are. It also lets some lucky players win big prizes. Therefore, we designed all our games around having progressive jackpots in addition to a low 0.5% house edge. We'd like to think that there are plenty of users that enjoy the jackpots – they probably just aren't as vocal on this forum.

We are worried that if we remove progressive jackpots and use some kind of fixed jackpot system, we will disappoint other users. As far as we can tell, most users come to the site and have a good time. If we start changing things around, that may no longer be the case.

For what it's worth, the most recent 37.048 BTC slots jackpot was won by a player that was playing at a rate of 2 games/second. As far as we can tell, this was a regular user that won the jackpot. Regular users do still win the jackpots. We do also sometimes see that a jackpot is +EV, but nobody is currently playing.

We only ever play the games on the site when testing something out. We never try to win the jackpots. We know that in the long run, with our 0.5% house edge, we will come out ahead, so we don't need to cheat. From a business perspective, it would be devastating to our site if we got caught cheating, so we simply refuse to do it. There are a lot of questionable Bitcoin businesses out there, but we are not one of them.

All I see is.. blablabla.. not even attempting to answer his question of implementing away at stopping the bots. Blablabla, we aren't doing anything to win the jackpots, blablabla we understand your frustration, blablabla we are only worried about our site getting hits and wont change a progressive structure... blablabla F YOU to the regular player. Yup..
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February 14, 2015, 03:08:01 PM
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We just had our biggest 0.005 BTC Slots jackpot ever! Congratulations b20397fb81 on your enormous 405.48 BTC win!!! Smiley

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February 14, 2015, 04:15:55 PM
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You aren't really addressing the problem head on.  The bots need to be stopped.  How will you do that?  The more you dodge the question the guiltier you look...

Also 2 spins per second seems pretty fast for a regular player as well...

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February 14, 2015, 04:53:15 PM
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We just had our biggest 0.005 BTC Slots jackpot ever! Congratulations b20397fb81 on your enormous 405.48 BTC win!!! Smiley

Yup and probably another bot win or another BTC Video Casino mod win to keep positive. Amazing how the jackpot again went up another 100 BTC in a matter of hours.. AGAIN. Just like the most recent jackpot on 0.2 went up several hundred BTC in a matter of hours.

Why don't you respond to everyone telling you how to resolve the issue using captchas.

With as slow as your site is running 1 spin at a time on Slots, even 2 spins a second is fast unless it's on Auto Fast. I smell website moderator win. Just as the others point to your guilt.
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February 14, 2015, 04:55:46 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/itwplEy.png

Was playing for the slots jackpot most of the day and won with two tabs autoplay fast  Grin Grin Grin
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February 14, 2015, 06:11:48 PM
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Wow someone comes and registers an account after winning a jackpot to post on bitcointalk about winning a jackpot.  That seems extremely realistic.  It's the first thing I would do.  Huh

This smells more and more like fraud.

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Wow someone comes and registers an account after winning a jackpot to post on bitcointalk about winning a jackpot.  That seems extremely realistic.  It's the first thing I would do.  Huh

This smells more and more like fraud.

I've been playing on BVC for a while now, just want a bit of privacy for a big win.  Most of the coins for this jackpot came from my bets as I contributed to the jackpot for over 4 hours before I got it.   It's not that hard to win a jackpot, just have the right bankroll and keep playing until it is hit.  Other peoples bets don't effect your chances of hitting it.
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Wow someone comes and registers an account after winning a jackpot to post on bitcointalk about winning a jackpot.  That seems extremely realistic.  It's the first thing I would do.  Huh

This smells more and more like fraud.

I've been playing on BVC for a while now, just want a bit of privacy for a big win.  Most of the coins for this jackpot came from my bets as I contributed to the jackpot for over 4 hours before I got it.   It's not that hard to win a jackpot, just have the right bankroll and keep playing until it is hit.  Other peoples bets don't effect your chances of hitting it.

Other peoples bets don't effect your chances of hitting it. You really can't be that F'ing dumb right? Have you seen the bot wins I've posted on this forum. It most certainly effects the chances of hitting it. As previously said, it does smell more and more like fraud, especially when you just register and don't even bother to read the last 5 pages of complaints and just post a screenshot. "I'm going to post a screenshot, that not everyone who wins is a bot". Well good for you... smells like your defending the owners of the site or are you part of it? Yup.
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One thing I hate is that bots CONTINUE to win the progressive jackpots that are high and this is very well known, that I have seen the last 3 happen when the bots come in, it gets hit and all leave. It's really unfair and should be stopped. If you can't do that in a real casino, why are you able to cheat the jackpot online?

But you can do this is a real casino; any machine with a progressive pot will become +EV at some point, and there are players known as "advantage players" who will wait for that to happen, and only play machines where the progressive pot is big enough to give them a positive expectation.

They will keep playing until they hit the jackpot, or until someone else does - and then wait for it to build up again.

Is this fair? That's hard to say. The advantage players make a profit over time. And that profit doesn't come at the house's expense. The house makes a profit over time too. So who is paying for the advantage players' profit? It's the regular players. The ones who play the machines when it's -EV to do so. The suckers who fill the progressive pot to make it worth the advantage players playing.

It's funny - I was just talking to someone earlier today in the Just-Dice chat about this, and then I heard about the drama over in this thread. The guy in the JD chat was suggesting that we should offer some kind of progressive pot. I said I didn't think it was a good idea, because it would cause exactly these kinds of problems. The "smart" players wouldn't play until the pot got big, and then they'd play until they won it. The net effect is a bunch of coins passing from the regular players to the advantage players.

So what's the answer?

My answer is not to offer any progressive pot games.

The problem is that people like them. They like to see a huge jackpot available for winning, even if they have to fund it themselves bit by bit over time.

I don't think that bot-detection is the answer. The bot authors will find ways to avoid detection. You'll be setting yourself up for a never-ending arms race where you try to prevent people from playing on your site and they find ways to play anyway - when people playing on your site is exactly what you DO want.

From what I remember of BVC(*) (it's been a while since I had time to play), players have an option of whether to contribute to the progressive pots or not - so the solution is already in place. If you don't like the bots sweeping in to pick up the big pots, don't feed them by filling the pots for them. Play without contributing to the progressive pot and the problem goes away.

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You add towards the bonus even from people who don't play the bonus game?

Correct, we add 0.1% of all bets towards the jackpot. If a user is paying 1 credit to play the bonus game, we add 37.1% of that side bet towards the progressive jackpot. Smiley

(*) So I was wrong above - you can't opt out of funding the jackpot (and hence the bots).

Maybe you should be able to.

Where does it say that you lose both bets when you double down and the dealer has blackjack?
Where does it say that you lose all split aces that are 10A (KA etc) vs a dealer blackjack?

Are more rules listed somewhere else?

It's absolutely standard that a ten-value card dealt on a split ace (or vice versa) is a "soft 21" and not a "natural", and so it follows that a natural blackjack beats the KA you got from splitting.

The rules they list are the ones which aren't the same everywhere. They don't list that 21 beats 20 either, because it's standard.

When we decided to build this site, everyone agreed that each game should have a progressive jackpot that all bets contribute towards it, and we are going to stick with that decision.

I think that decision may be the single root cause of the problems you're having with bots. Whenever you offer +EV games people will bot them. Hell, they even bot the -EV games!

All I see is.. blablabla.. not even attempting to answer his question of implementing away at stopping the bots. Blablabla, we aren't doing anything to win the jackpots, blablabla we understand your frustration, blablabla we are only worried about our site getting hits and wont change a progressive structure... blablabla F YOU to the regular player. Yup..

There's nothing they can do, not really.

* They can limit the number of bets per second an account can make. The bot will just use multiple accounts.
* They can limit the number of bets per second an IP address can make. The bot will just use multiple IP addresses.
* They can make you solve CAPTCHAs occasionally. The bot will just ask its owner to solve the CAPTCHAs for it.
* They can try to detect "bot-like" behaviour. The bot will just act more randomly, to try to appear human.

It would be a never-ending arms race. The bot would win, because it has a human author who is able to provide whatever "human-ness" is required of it.

The solution is to only offer -EV games. Then the bots don't have any reason to play, and even if they do, nobody cares. Or at least offer -EV-only games to those who hate the bots. Then they have a way of playing that doesn't fund the bots' profits.

I've been playing on BVC for a while now, [...] Other peoples bets don't effect your chances of hitting it.

Other peoples bets don't effect your chances of hitting it. You really can't be that F'ing dumb right?

He probably meant per-spin. Obviously if the bot is playing faster than you it has a better chance of winning the progressing pot than you do.

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February 15, 2015, 04:50:33 PM
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You add towards the bonus even from people who don't play the bonus game?

Correct, we add 0.1% of all bets towards the jackpot. If a user is paying 1 credit to play the bonus game, we add 37.1% of that side bet towards the progressive jackpot. Smiley

(*) So I was wrong above - you can't opt out of funding the jackpot (and hence the bots).

Maybe you should be able to.

The contribution comes from their house edge.  Look at the dice game, base return is 99.0, then they take 50% of their profit and stick it in a progressive pot.  That's no different than any of the 99% dice games for the average player, there's just an additional and optional aspect of the game that some might find fun.  To be clear, the odds on these games are common odds found at many online casinos, the casino itself is donating a portion of its profit to the progressive pots.  If people don't like the progressives, they can completely ignore them and be happy knowing that they're receiving the return stated in the Base Game row of BVC's expected return page.

As far as the bot complaints go, they're ridiculous.  If people think a bot will help them they should be building their own or looking to purchase one.  I did build a bot, it was able to do something like 10 requests/second before running in to database sync issues on the site's side.  Note that's 10 requests/sec, not games/sec.  In video poker, that's 5 games/sec.  BVC's fast setting plays a game about once every 2 seconds, so it would have been quicker to open 10 tabs and hit the auto button than building a bot.  The fast setting on slots plays about 2 games/sec, 5 open tabs would be the equivalent of my bot.  The only conceivable advantage a bot may have over others is the ability to monitor the progressive pots continuously and automatically start and stop betting, but this does not give anyone any kind of advantage in actual game play.  It is wholly possible to achieve the same games/sec as a bot with multiple browser tabs and the in game auto function.

All that said, it is completely possible that BVC is playing their own progressives, and I think that might be an issue for some people.  They say they aren't, and the burden of proof lies on the ones making the claim in the affirmative, so at this point we have to assume that they aren't until such time that someone proves they are.  Additionally we know advantage players exist, so Occam's razor applies.
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The contribution comes from their house edge.  Look at the dice game, base return is 99.0, then they take 50% of their profit and stick it in a progressive pot.  That's no different than any of the 99% dice games for the average player, there's just an additional and optional aspect of the game that some might find fun.

They're taking 50% of their *expected* profit, right? Because even if the players are lucky and the site has a losing week they still put 0.5% of the total wagered amount into the progressive pot.

My proposal is that they should offer an opt-out for the player, where instead of 0.5% of their bet going to a progressive pot, it is considered as bonus on their stake and so if they win, their payout is approximately 0.5% bigger than it would be if they hadn't opted out.

The fast setting on slots plays about 2 games/sec, 5 open tabs would be the equivalent of my bot.

Couldn't you run 5 bots? It depends on the sync issue you were hitting - is it per user? If so, running the bot as 5 different users would fix that.

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February 15, 2015, 06:01:40 PM
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i just played here for first time. love the slots
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February 15, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
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The contribution comes from their house edge.  Look at the dice game, base return is 99.0, then they take 50% of their profit and stick it in a progressive pot.  That's no different than any of the 99% dice games for the average player, there's just an additional and optional aspect of the game that some might find fun.

They're taking 50% of their *expected* profit, right? Because even if the players are lucky and the site has a losing week they still put 0.5% of the total wagered amount into the progressive pot.

My proposal is that they should offer an opt-out for the player, where instead of 0.5% of their bet going to a progressive pot, it is considered as bonus on their stake and so if they win, their payout is approximately 0.5% bigger than it would be if they hadn't opted out.

That's what it looks like, on dice 0.5% of each bet goes to the progressive, so it is out of their 1% expected profit.  All I'm saying is that a bet at 49.5% pays 2x, just like everywhere else.

The fast setting on slots plays about 2 games/sec, 5 open tabs would be the equivalent of my bot.

Couldn't you run 5 bots? It depends on the sync issue you were hitting - is it per user? If so, running the bot as 5 different users would fix that.

Per user according to their support, yes, but I haven't tested this.  I certainly hope it's a per-user issue, otherwise this could be an avenue for dos attacks.  Running bots in parallel on different accounts would solve the issue, but so would running 5 instances of a browser on different accounts with 5 tabs each.

I was interested in seeing if I could get the auto play to function quicker, and I found that setting game_system.CARD_DELAY to 10 would make about 5 requests per second in video poker, something like 500% of standard auto-play speed.  That brings the required number of tabs to compete with a 10 request/sec bot to 2.  This setting appears to work with video poker, blackjack, and slots, all other games already have no meaningful delays. 
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February 16, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
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Admins of the site sure are quite in this thread now. What do you expect when you are fraudsters and can't back up claims properly or work with users to fix issues with the site.
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bots? we dont need no stinking bots......



2nd day iv played here. i never use bots(takes the fun of every single bet you make).


think i deposted $15 and cashed out 2.1 BTC


i was in no rush. i wasnt bettng 33 times every second.



gotta thank dooglus. i was reading his last 20 posts ad clicked on this thread



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February 17, 2015, 03:45:54 AM
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One thing I hate is that bots CONTINUE to win the progressive jackpots that are high and this is very well known, that I have seen the last 3 happen when the bots come in, it gets hit and all leave. It's really unfair and should be stopped. If you can't do that in a real casino, why are you able to cheat the jackpot online?

But you can do this is a real casino; any machine with a progressive pot will become +EV at some point, and there are players known as "advantage players" who will wait for that to happen, and only play machines where the progressive pot is big enough to give them a positive expectation.

They will keep playing until they hit the jackpot, or until someone else does - and then wait for it to build up again.

Is this fair? That's hard to say. The advantage players make a profit over time. And that profit doesn't come at the house's expense. The house makes a profit over time too. So who is paying for the advantage players' profit? It's the regular players. The ones who play the machines when it's -EV to do so. The suckers who fill the progressive pot to make it worth the advantage players playing.

It's funny - I was just talking to someone earlier today in the Just-Dice chat about this, and then I heard about the drama over in this thread. The guy in the JD chat was suggesting that we should offer some kind of progressive pot. I said I didn't think it was a good idea, because it would cause exactly these kinds of problems. The "smart" players wouldn't play until the pot got big, and then they'd play until they won it. The net effect is a bunch of coins passing from the regular players to the advantage players.

So what's the answer?

My answer is not to offer any progressive pot games.

The problem is that people like them. They like to see a huge jackpot available for winning, even if they have to fund it themselves bit by bit over time.

I don't think that bot-detection is the answer. The bot authors will find ways to avoid detection. You'll be setting yourself up for a never-ending arms race where you try to prevent people from playing on your site and they find ways to play anyway - when people playing on your site is exactly what you DO want.

From what I remember of BVC(*) (it's been a while since I had time to play), players have an option of whether to contribute to the progressive pots or not - so the solution is already in place. If you don't like the bots sweeping in to pick up the big pots, don't feed them by filling the pots for them. Play without contributing to the progressive pot and the problem goes away.





only reason i went to this site is i wanted to win a progressive jackpot
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So what's the answer?

My answer is not to offer any progressive pot games.

Actually, there is a solution; a PMP (Progressive Money Pot). The probability of winning the PMP is inversely proportional to the Money in the Pot and proportional to the amount you bet. So if the pot has 2 BTC, in it, you should have half the chance of winning it as if it had 1 BTC. And if you bet 1 BTC, you should have double the chance of winning the pot as if you bet 0.5 BTC.  It keeps the pot EV exactly the same, regardless of the pot being 1 or 1000 BTC, and regardless of bet size.

In almost all cases, a PMP is superior to a progressive jackpot and I'd advise sites to consider it (along with the correct terminology, of course)
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