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October 12, 2016, 01:52:50 AM |
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Yes, like every currency, Bitcoin is being used for illegal activities. However, I'd say the ration between "clean" money and "dark" money will be higher tha with fiat, where at leat 1/10 of the total cash was ever used for illegal activities.
How would you ever figure that out with fist though? You couldn't! But with bitcoins you would know exactly where they originated from. I think it's actually really stupid for people to use bitcoins for something illegal because it's on a public ledger now! Forever! It is possible mate because it is safe for the illegal activities since we are not giving our personal information to use bitcoin that things can do easily and without worrying that they will be detected. Exactly, but still if authorities will really look into our illegal transactions, for sure they will be able to trace it and our future will be compromise. Me, although I know how to do a transaction that I am hard to trace but I will not take chances because what matters to me is freedom.
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October 12, 2016, 05:45:24 AM |
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Yes, like every currency, Bitcoin is being used for illegal activities. However, I'd say the ration between "clean" money and "dark" money will be higher tha with fiat, where at leat 1/10 of the total cash was ever used for illegal activities.
How would you ever figure that out with fist though? You couldn't! But with bitcoins you would know exactly where they originated from. I think it's actually really stupid for people to use bitcoins for something illegal because it's on a public ledger now! Forever! It is possible mate because it is safe for the illegal activities since we are not giving our personal information to use bitcoin that things can do easily and without worrying that they will be detected. You may think you are giving out no private information when sending your coins but most times transactions aren't too hard to trace back to the original purchase address with the right tools. Unless you are using a new address for every transaction, mixing your coins and using a few other stealth features it is hard to hide anything on a public ledger.
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October 12, 2016, 02:36:59 PM |
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Yes, like every currency, Bitcoin is being used for illegal activities. However, I'd say the ration between "clean" money and "dark" money will be higher tha with fiat, where at leat 1/10 of the total cash was ever used for illegal activities.
How would you ever figure that out with fist though? You couldn't! But with bitcoins you would know exactly where they originated from. I think it's actually really stupid for people to use bitcoins for something illegal because it's on a public ledger now! Forever! It is possible mate because it is safe for the illegal activities since we are not giving our personal information to use bitcoin that things can do easily and without worrying that they will be detected. You may think you are giving out no private information when sending your coins but most times transactions aren't too hard to trace back to the original purchase address with the right tools. Unless you are using a new address for every transaction, mixing your coins and using a few other stealth features it is hard to hide anything on a public ledger. Agree. If there will be a serious checking, a bitcoin transaction can be traceable. And if a case that a illegal one use bitcoin for transaction and authorities are eager to make a research of it, chances of tracing is possible. Technology vs Technology. That is made of human so a counterpart can be made possibly.
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October 12, 2016, 04:34:50 PM |
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Yes it is used for some criminal activities but we should not care about it at all because this is life, the fact is that every currency has this down and dark side. I do not care and I think its also logical and not so bad too.
Well bitcoin werent made for those purposes, dark or criminal activities, but sure each person does spend and use them as they wish, the same happens with fiat, its curious to see the media attacking bitcoin like the only currencie in the world supporting the dark marketplaces, something we do all know happens several years with fiat. The purpose of any currency is to facilitate trade, that is it, the currency whether is fiat or bitcoin does not care if the transaction is viewed as legal or illegal.
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October 12, 2016, 04:44:34 PM |
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Yes it is used for some criminal activities but we should not care about it at all because this is life, the fact is that every currency has this down and dark side. I do not care and I think its also logical and not so bad too.
It does not affect bitcoin at any point if it is used for illegal activities, the only thing it can do is disappointing some new people coming towards bitcoin by thinking that it is not a good currency or something.
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October 12, 2016, 07:40:32 PM |
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I think so, the fact that you can make use of Bitcoin without people getting behind your information is of course ideal for cyber criminals. So the answer is yes Bitcoin is sometimes being used for illegal activities.
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October 12, 2016, 11:09:06 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities
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October 12, 2016, 11:42:46 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
Indeed you are right but I think its logical because every currency is used for some criminal activity these days and we can do nothing about it too. I think its logical and not bad that it is used for it because we cannot do anything about it, it may even give the bitcoin a boost. of course it is a natural thing and very logical if one uses currency bitcoin for something they need, whether it's illegal or legal is up to them, the difference with another currency bitcoin is more secure and hidden, that's why I see a lot of issues who came on this matter, I think it is not a problem right ? Our only concern is we can see a big increase on the circulation of bitcoin so in that way our investment will grow, that is something we are hoping to happen as for sure the price will abruptly increase, if they are using it for illegal activities that is their problem anymore and not for bitcoin. furthermore agreed there would be no people who know that they are using bitcoin for illegal activities. who knows only himself and bitcoin will only leave the facility, they are responsible for themselves and what might happen to them yeah we do not need to make it as a problem
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October 12, 2016, 11:56:14 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy.
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October 13, 2016, 02:44:54 AM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy. It has possibility that bitcoin will used in illegal since we do not give our personal information even you are using fiat in online using your bitcoin wallet you can not easily trace if anyone are looking for your transaction.
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October 13, 2016, 02:56:29 AM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy. It has possibility that bitcoin will used in illegal since we do not give our personal information even you are using fiat in online using your bitcoin wallet you can not easily trace if anyone are looking for your transaction. yup its not easy to trace us right away with only the transaction so its possible many small time pushers and those who's making illegal transaction even the low end who knows how to deal with computer already taking advantage of this service.
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October 13, 2016, 07:53:27 AM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy. It has possibility that bitcoin will used in illegal since we do not give our personal information even you are using fiat in online using your bitcoin wallet you can not easily trace if anyone are looking for your transaction. yup its not easy to trace us right away with only the transaction so its possible many small time pushers and those who's making illegal transaction even the low end who knows how to deal with computer already taking advantage of this service. It's traceable if ever the exchange available in that country using bank services in order to convert bitcoin into fiat. Remember that some of the local exchangers per country are strict when it comes to withdrawing the money. They are doing this to avoid problens in the future that's why you can only withdraw if you are a verified user.
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October 13, 2016, 08:10:31 AM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy. It has possibility that bitcoin will used in illegal since we do not give our personal information even you are using fiat in online using your bitcoin wallet you can not easily trace if anyone are looking for your transaction. yup its not easy to trace us right away with only the transaction so its possible many small time pushers and those who's making illegal transaction even the low end who knows how to deal with computer already taking advantage of this service. It's traceable if ever the exchange available in that country using bank services in order to convert bitcoin into fiat. Remember that some of the local exchangers per country are strict when it comes to withdrawing the money. They are doing this to avoid problens in the future that's why you can only withdraw if you are a verified user. At the same it also gives access to unverified users to withdraw, so we can't completely deny that bitcoin is not used for illegal activities. During the days close to bitcoin existence most users preferred bitcoin for illegal transaction but now scenario has changed. People consider it as a form of worthy investment rather than a token for illegal transaction.
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October 13, 2016, 09:23:50 AM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
Indeed you are right but I think its logical because every currency is used for some criminal activity these days and we can do nothing about it too. I think its logical and not bad that it is used for it because we cannot do anything about it, it may even give the bitcoin a boost. of course it is a natural thing and very logical if one uses currency bitcoin for something they need, whether it's illegal or legal is up to them, the difference with another currency bitcoin is more secure and hidden, that's why I see a lot of issues who came on this matter, I think it is not a problem right ? Our only concern is we can see a big increase on the circulation of bitcoin so in that way our investment will grow, that is something we are hoping to happen as for sure the price will abruptly increase, if they are using it for illegal activities that is their problem anymore and not for bitcoin. We need to concern if someone used bitcoin for illegal activities, if the government banned this coin we will lose users and by losing user bitcoin price and transaction rate can fall down, it will cause the price to fall down There is nothing we can do if bitcoin is being used illegally. Bitcoin is the tool and the users can do anything with it, legally or illegally. We have no control over it. If the government bans it, we can't do anything about it either. We just use it at our own risk.
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October 13, 2016, 09:29:24 AM |
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We can see few post regarding bitcoin being used to buy items like guns, drugs, stolen credit cards etc which are illegal from darkwebs but we are also aware of many events and arrest regarding drug trafficking where fiats/paper moneys have been used. So any forms of currency can be used for illegal activities and bitcoin is not only particular currency which is being used for such activities.
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October 13, 2016, 04:13:34 PM |
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I'm sure it is. I think the main reason is bitcoin anonymity. People with bad intentions use it for their illegal activities, and because that reason it's hard to trace the sender and receiver. And that what makes bitcoin has bad reputation at first place. But as time goes by, bitcoin has good reputation as for now.
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October 13, 2016, 06:16:30 PM |
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Every currency is used for illegal and legal purposes. Its the people who and for what purposes they use it. As BTC is a digital currency and can be transferred anywhere without the knowledge of anyone else, it has much chance to use for illegal activities. Though the one knows it is illegal, he/she still goes beyond to use the btc for illegal. None can stop unless he/she stops himself.
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October 13, 2016, 07:19:16 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities This is a mistake, unless you know what are you doing then tracking your bitcoins is very easy, cash in the other hand is very anonymously by its very nature.
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October 13, 2016, 07:55:35 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities This is a mistake, unless you know what are you doing then tracking your bitcoins is very easy, cash in the other hand is very anonymously by its very nature. Yes, bitcoin does not support complete anonymous because bitcoin is providing us only pseudo-anonymous. So, we need to take necessary steps to protect our identities. I agree cash dealing are complete anonymous but carrying them is very much difficult whereas bitcoin has the feature to carry out across borders too.
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October 13, 2016, 08:21:05 PM |
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Bitcoin will be used for good as well bad things the same way it happens for several years with fiat, soo nothing new here, besides its harder to trace the people who are under the dark marketplaces.
I think although Fiat is also used for illegal activities as well but I think it will not be as perfect as bitcoin, because you can be easily tracked when you use fiat to transact. with bitcoin you can not be tracked and there is no evidence of when you really use for illegal activities You are wrong, fiat ilegal activities are covered with fake companies, with employers, soo they do clean the money they earn from those and you cant trace, otherwise we wouldnt have criminals under those activities, sure bitcoin does make it more easy maybe, but those people will need to exchange the bitcoins into fiat, and doing those they get exposed easy. It has possibility that bitcoin will used in illegal since we do not give our personal information even you are using fiat in online using your bitcoin wallet you can not easily trace if anyone are looking for your transaction. it's been proven bitcoin used for illegal activities such as gambling is not allowed in some countries and we know that bitcoin survives because mostly used for gambling.
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