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[Koal-84]

Sainz is still the only driver who is able to break Verstappen and Red Bull's win streak. 

I don't think it was a good decision by Ferrari to get Hamilton instead of Sainz (also not instead of Leclerc), the last few years were not the decisive things that had thrown Ferrari back, either the car was not at eye level or big mistakes were made in the pits/strategy. Of course, mistakes also come from the drivers who are under a lot of pressure, I would have been happier if Ferrari had continued with this driver pairing for another two years, because overall the whole team is better this year.

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[FanEagle]

Max not being able to finish the race actually didn't made it so much more fun to be fair. Hamilton went away too, and the last crash of Russell was a horrible one, dude was quite scared if you heard the radio, he kept saying red flag over and over again so that everyone would slow down a lot, because yellow flag means they just slow down to delta, but red flag means that they end up slowing down to minimum pit stop levels, so a crash would be harder, but with yellow you are still racing just under delta levels and that means a crash would still be possible.

This is why I believe that he was actually quite scared, he was right at the middle of the road, and he was sideways, meaning that he could have gotten another car crash into him and could be dire. Thankfully, nothing bad happened.

[Pulsar77]

I don't think it was a good decision by Ferrari to get Hamilton instead of Sainz (also not instead of Leclerc), the last few years were not the decisive things that had thrown Ferrari back, either the car was not at eye level or big mistakes were made in the pits/strategy. Of course, mistakes also come from the drivers who are under a lot of pressure, I would have been happier if Ferrari had continued with this driver pairing for another two years, because overall the whole team is better this year.

Right? There wasn't any need to rush for that before the beginning of this season already. Ferrari should have waited and observed Sainz's performance during the season and then made their decision. Sainz is like he is showing what Ferrari will be missing after this decision.    If he wasn't a competitive driver then I wouldn't have found this change nonsensical.

It is believed that Hamilton wouldn't do his best if Ferrari doesn't give a fast and smooth car to him. Hamilton wants to be at a team where he can achieve his 8th championship. If Ferrari doesn't offer better conditions than Mercedes then they would go around in circles.

[joniboini]

Bagnaia and Marquez have thrown away a lot of points and what they have done good so far.

Marc suggests that the crash is Bagnaia's fault[1]. On the other hand, Bagnaia claims that the incident was just that, an incident, and not his fault[2]. Looks like there is no further clash between them though, so that's good. Some already write how Ducati needs to handle their relationship better just in case things like this happen again[3]. And oh boy, the comments are fiery. I believe finding who is at fault is not helping anybody, at least not publicly. If there is a problem Ducati should handle it privately IMO, making everything public will only attract nasty speculations and dumb comments.

[1] https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/marquez-says-portugal-motogp-clash-was-bagnaias-mistake/10591424/
[2] https://www.gpone.com/en/2024/03/24/motogp/bagnaia-the-accident-with-marquez-zero-points-and-not-my-fault.html
[3] https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-motogp-civil-war-threat-ducati-must-now-delicately-manage/10591785/

[Koal-84]

Right? There wasn't any need to rush for that before the beginning of this season already. Ferrari should have waited and observed Sainz's performance during the season and then made their decision. Sainz is like he is showing what Ferrari will be missing after this decision.    If he wasn't a competitive driver then I wouldn't have found this change nonsensical.

It is believed that Hamilton wouldn't do his best if Ferrari doesn't give a fast and smooth car to him. Hamilton wants to be at a team where he can achieve his 8th championship. If Ferrari doesn't offer better conditions than Mercedes then they would go around in circles.

I think Hamilton will be fully motivated, he was just looking for a new challenge, and somehow every Formula 1 driver wants to become world champion in Formula 1 with the traditional manufacturer Ferrari, the last one was Kimi a long time ago. I can understand Hamilton's decision, but not Ferrari's.

[coinlocket$]

Sainz is still the only driver who is able to break Verstappen and Red Bull's win streak. 

The second time is just a situation to "be in the right spot at the right time" after the car failure for Max.
It must also be said that much more is expected from Charles and that lately he is not that much superior to Sainz.

Are we sure that Ferrari was right to fire Carlos and hire Hamilton?

On a marketing level, certainly yes, on a sporting level I'm starting to have doubts given the performances of both drivers, it must also be said that it could only be a temporal good shape for the Ferrari driver and in bad shape for the Englishman.

[Distraction]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

[swogerino]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

I don't think Ferrari made a wrong move with signing Hamilton and having him on board for the 2025 season.No matter how much of a talented driver Sainz maybe he is nowhere near being 7 times world Champion and having the driving skills of Hamilton so in this matter Ferrari has made the right choice.If they manage to give a winning car or even near winning car to Hamilton then most likely we will see a very beautiful season for 2025.

[coinlocket$]

during an interview given by Toto Wolff we were able to learn about MErcedes' point of view on the driver situation for after Hamilton.

Toto said that Max is on the Mercedes shortlist and that sooner or later he will go to Mercedes.
If this were true it would imply a downgrading of Russel to second driver or it would open up the possibility of the driver being sold to other teams.

[FanEagle]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so. 

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

I don't think Ferrari made a wrong move with signing Hamilton and having him on board for the 2025 season.No matter how much of a talented driver Sainz maybe he is nowhere near being 7 times world Champion and having the driving skills of Hamilton so in this matter Ferrari has made the right choice.If they manage to give a winning car or even near winning car to Hamilton then most likely we will see a very beautiful season for 2025.

I agree, Ferrari move wasn't one that was related to just talent, don't get me wrong Hamilton is talented enough, dude has the highest amount of championships along with the greatest racer in history. However, we need to remember that we are not talking about just talent here, we are talking about fame as well.

Hamilton is more famous than Sainz, we have to accept that and on top of that "everyone dreams of driving a Ferrari" story is coming to a full circle as well, because Vettel tried to beat Hamilton, and Hamilton won with Mercedes, but now even Hamilton who beat Ferrari, wants to join Ferrari, that type of story itself is selling the story. This is why I believe that we are going to end up seeing Hamilton preferred.

[Koal-84]

during an interview given by Toto Wolff we were able to learn about MErcedes' point of view on the driver situation for after Hamilton.

Toto said that Max is on the Mercedes shortlist and that sooner or later he will go to Mercedes.
If this were true it would imply a downgrading of Russel to second driver or it would open up the possibility of the driver being sold to other teams.

I heard this rumour with Verstappen and Mercedes in the Austrian news today, so there must be something to it, but whether Verstappen really wants to change, basically Hamilton has probably earned very well at Mercedes, so I could imagine that Max gets a very lucrative offer from Mercedes, another one from Mercedes' point of view, Sainz doesn't have a team yet either and would certainly be an option in my opinion.

[tokeweed]

I can also say Ferrari didn't need to be this quick with their decision on Sainz - Hamilton change. I thought Ferrari would continue with Sainz in 2025 season also and then think about what they can do. Because there have been many speculations such as Sainz will be joining Audi in 2026.

But instead Ferrari wanted to take an early action like this. I agree it is a block-busting move but I'm just not sure if it was the right time to do so.  

In addition to all of that Ferrari might even have missed a big opportunity to go for because of this early move. You know there is a chance for Verstappen to leave Red Bull earlier than the expectations also.

Yeah I kinda agree but then again if your second driver's contract expires at the end of 2024 and then you hear the news that a better, famous driver is also available at the end of 2024, what should Ferrari do?  It was a no brainer call to swipe Hamilton real quick before another team gets him.  And it's also gonna be the same when Horner will be available.  They'll poach him so fast, no other team will be able to interview him.  And as I already said, where Horner goes Newey goes.  Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will be a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

Edit:  Typos.

[joniboini]

Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will he a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

How is their car though? My knowledge of F1 comes from a meme community and as far as I can see Ferrari had trouble with their car last year. I read some news saying things will be different this season[1], and the first impression looks solid as far as the racing result goes. Do you think the result is sustainable, or does track affect how their car will perform?

[1] https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13059824/ferrari-reveal-striking-new-2024-formula-1-car-the-sf-24-as-they-aim-to-improve-fortunes

[Republikcoin.com]

Too bad there was an accident between Marc and Pecco that made them crashed although March was still able to finish in 16th place
Bad luck for Vinales as well because he crashed in the last lap while he should be able to finish on 2nd position to make a good overall result on this 2nd race after he won the Sprint Race yesterday.
For the rookie Pedro Acosta, nothing else to say except "amazing" as he rides like nothing to lose and he does not care about who his competitors.
He can be said as the next "baby alien" or "baby alien reincarnation" LOL because his riding style looks similar to Marc when he was young.

Finishing in 16th position was a huge loss because in that position there were no points that Marquez could take, although this was also not bad for the team and sponsors because they seemed to appreciate the party even though they had fallen due to an accident in the race. I also feel sorry for Vinales because he had to fall because of a problem with his motorbike in the last lap and that really hurt him as a rider who was able to carry his Aprilia motorbike quite well since the race started. Apart from that, there is also a lot of praise for a rookie like Pedro Acosta because he can compete with senior riders who ride factory motorbikes. Meanwhile, he only has a satellite motorbike from KTM.

[coinlocket$]

New news is circulating.
Carlos Sainz could go to Aston Marin next year.
It is not yet clear whether instead of Alonso (he could go to Mercedes) or in place of the boss's son, Stroll.
He certainly won't remain unemployed with the performance he is having.

[karabiber]

New news is circulating.
Carlos Sainz could go to Aston Marin next year.
It is not yet clear whether instead of Alonso (he could go to Mercedes) or in place of the boss's son, Stroll.
He certainly won't remain unemployed with the performance he is having.

I think it's too early to say, there won be any clarity about the team until mid season. Does the Ferrari team not trust Sainz and Leclerc? I think Ferrari doesn't trust them and that's why they signed Lewis. It's funny that Lewis is always talking about loyalty. After Sainz leaves Ferrari, there will be a mismatch between Lewis and Leclerc. In 2025, Ferrari's team will be in a storm. I wish Sainz had a place at Red Bull.

Sainz is a great driver and I don't think he will change no matter which team he goes to. In the coming years, the fact that Aston Martin will be Honda backed and Sainz will move to Aston Martin could change the balance in F1. Let's see what Sainz will point to when the time comes.

[swogerino]

New news is circulating.
Carlos Sainz could go to Aston Marin next year.
It is not yet clear whether instead of Alonso (he could go to Mercedes) or in place of the boss's son, Stroll.
He certainly won't remain unemployed with the performance he is having.

He surely won't be unemployed as he said it himself during the interview post race in Australia that I hope my results will impact me being unemployed for next season and if he continues to perform well he most likely will get a job.Whatever car he goes in his future is most likely tied with Audi in 2026 so he should not care much,he will be happy to not be one year off from Formula 1 grid.

[Distraction]

Yeah I kinda agree but then again if your second driver's contract expires at the end of 2024 and then you hear the news that a better, famous driver is also available at the end of 2024, what should Ferrari do?  It was a no brainer call to swipe Hamilton real quick before another team gets him.  And it's also gonna be the same when Horner will be available.  They'll poach him so fast, no other team will be able to interview him.  And as I already said, where Horner goes Newey goes.  Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will he a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

Yeah fame is another factor of course. He is a 7-time world champion driver also therefore Ferrari wanted to go for him right away when there was an opportunity available. I hope Ferrari also get better in time and they can give Hamilton and Leclerc a strong car that can compete with Red Bull. Otherwise they will have to wait for another season. 

Having Horner, Newey and Hamilton all at Ferrari? It would be insane.    Besides Bono is also likely to follow Hamilton right behind to Ferrari. If these things all happen we might start watching the team at top changing finally.

Newey is just a great engineer. He can design wonderful cars for Ferrari also.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari will have a great time with Horner, Newey and Hamilton.  It will he a great time to be a Ferrari fan too.

How is their car though? My knowledge of F1 comes from a meme community and as far as I can see Ferrari had trouble with their car last year. I read some news saying things will be different this season[1], and the first impression looks solid as far as the racing result goes. Do you think the result is sustainable, or does track affect how their car will perform?

[1] https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/13059824/ferrari-reveal-striking-new-2024-formula-1-car-the-sf-24-as-they-aim-to-improve-fortunes

How their car will be if Horner and Newey goes in and works at Ferrari with the resources they have at their disposal?  OMG...  Within 4 years I'm pretty sure they'll win the driver's championship and the constructor's championship with either Leclerc or Hamilton.  Hopefully it's Hamilton.  How cool would that be to see him break Schumacher's record in a Ferrari.  

Asking how their car now is a different scenario.  But it seems like it's good enough to get podiums and be ahead of Merc and McLaren.

[coinlocket$]

big change expected for MOTOGP.
"Liberty media" which is currently the owneer of formula one has almost finalized the agreement for the acquisition of the motorbike circus.
The figure should be around 4 billion euros.
If this were true, more races should be held in the United States of America.