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[emrecemsan]

According to the source below Zak Brown says that McLaren has no big gaps to fill from now on. He thinks that they can go for titles with big infrastructure upgrades.

However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.

But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.

Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/

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[Juggy777]

Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.

Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone .

I hope that we can see some top teams other than Red Bull bringing some solid upgrades to the Dutch GP. Because I have really missed a high level rivalry for winning races. Verstappen's domination makes things really boring in the championship. It is no different than Hamilton's dominant times with Mercedes. We don't see any team getting near Red Bull now either like Red Bull did it in the 2021 season and we watched an awesome competition until the end of the season.

I expect more from Ferrari especially. Bringing upgrades can make up for their mistakes with strategies more at least.

@emrecemsan Ferrari lost their competitive edge long time ago and year after year they kept misleading their fan’s that they have improved but honestly @FanEagle is right that Ferrari will continue to make mistakes. Lastly this is Verstappen era and currently I don’t see any other driver that can dethrone him unless his performances suddenly drop which I really doubt can ever happen.

[tokeweed]

According to the source below Zak Brown says that McLaren has no big gaps to fill from now on. He thinks that they can go for titles with big infrastructure upgrades.

However I don't know about this. Because Red Bull are just insanely ahead of all the remaining teams. No matter how big upgrade a rival team brings Red Bull still manage to answer them strongly. It is about having a big budget in hand at the same time of course. But as far as I know McLaren is one of the rich teams now. They should use this money as effective as possible to get closer to Red Bull's level.

But I don't know if they can do this until the 2026 season where things will change a lot in the sport.

Source: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-has-no-more-big-holes-to-fix-as-it-targets-f1-titles-brown/10510193/

He prolly saw a technical loop hole they could exploit next year and on 2025.    Kidding...  Yeah most of these guys like to promote and market their teams to keep people interested.  And it's also good for team morale to stay positive.  But who knows, they might know something that we don't.  They have been looking good as of late.  

Anyway, here's the time table this weekend.

2023 F1 Dutch GP Schedule
Track:  Circuit Zandvoort

Friday 25 August:  Practice 1  12:30 - 13:30
Friday 25 August:  Practice 2  16:00 - 17:00
Saturday 26 August:  Practice 3  11:30 - 12:30
Saturday 26 August:  Qualifying  15:00 - 16:00
Sunday 27 August:  Race  15:00

[boltz]

I can already see Max winning everything on Zandvoort. From practices to qualifiers and race , there is absolutely no one who could stop him on this track. Sure , we might see McLaren doing great again , we might see Ferrari bringing a bit more balance into that car even if they don't need to improve it anymore because there is no point to do that and we might see Aston Martin having a good race again after an absence of 4 race where they barely got a P5.

[Volgastallion]

Finally we come back to the F1 races, after this long summer break, the sad part of all of this its.... yes we already know who its gonna be on pole, and win the race with a 95% of accuracy.

WE only can wait to have a good fight between drivers in 2º until 10º position.

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Here we go.

Again



Wheater will be probably rain according to google.

Souce: https://www.google.com/search?q=zandvoort+weather&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=559481520&sxsrf=AB5stBiUF9VMPpGkCqRqenzVmRefOxUZrQ%3A1692818810847&ei=el3mZIyeM8KP9u8PoeKfwAI&oq=Zandvoort+w&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiC1phbmR2b29ydCB3KgIIADIHEAAYigUYQzIIEAAYgAQYywEyCBAAGIAEGMsBMgUQABiABDIKEAAYgAQYFBiHAjIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAESNgIUD9Y_QFwAXgBkAEAmAFnoAHIAaoBAzEuMbgBAcgBAPgBAcICChAAGEcY1gQYsAPCAhAQLhivARjHARiKBRiwAxhDwgIKEAAYigUYsAMYQ8ICBRAuGIAEwgIHEC4YigUYQ8ICCxAuGIAEGMcBGK8BwgIUEC4YgAQYlwUY3AQY3gQY4ATYAQHiAwQYACBBiAYBkAYKugYGCAEQARgU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[jakdanyel]

@emrecemsan Ferrari lost their competitive edge long time ago and year after year they kept misleading their fan’s that they have improved but honestly @FanEagle is right that Ferrari will continue to make mistakes. Lastly this is Verstappen era and currently I don’t see any other driver that can dethrone him unless his performances suddenly drop which I really doubt can ever happen.

There are very skilled drivers such as Hamilton, Norris, Leclerc and so on. But they don't have a similar car to Verstappen's unfortunately. This wouldn't change for a couple of more years at least as well. Therefore it is really hard to see Verstappen's dominance ending soon. Maybe in 2026 something might change in balances but it is hard to tell what would happen from now.

Verstappen said that he wouldn't like to compete in middle positions as of 2026. He hopes to see Red Bull continuing their dominance here.

But I hope the opposite of what Verstappen wants of course.    Some more competition would make F1 more exciting.

[SquallLeonhart]

I can already see Max winning everything on Zandvoort. From practices to qualifiers and race , there is absolutely no one who could stop him on this track. Sure , we might see McLaren doing great again , we might see Ferrari bringing a bit more balance into that car even if they don't need to improve it anymore because there is no point to do that and we might see Aston Martin having a good race again after an absence of 4 race where they barely got a P5.

We are talking about Max here, that dude will probably win everything unless you crash into his car. That is literally the only possibility of him losing any race ever again this season, either someone crashing into his car, or maybe his car breaks down on the track, there is no other way that he would ever lose any other race.

This is why it's easy to bet on him, the return may not be that great but unless he loses a single race, then it's free money all day long and so far it has been true. ı have made some great returns on betting on Max, yes it wasn't big returns but at the very least it was some return and I am guessing that it's going to be fine as well, the return will be much better than what people expect it to be.

[tokeweed]

Here we go.

Again



Wheater will be probably rain according to google.

Souce:

Wups...  At least it's gonna make it a bit more exciting and kinda unpredictable.  :/  You never know, Verstappen might make a tiny mistake, slip a bit on the track and hit the barriers.    It's not that I'm hoping for it to happen, I just want to see some excitement back.  It's been a couple of years since 2021.  And it's really been nothing but a borefest.

I could already see it...  VER, NOR because PER will suck again, then prolly HAM or LEC fighting for the third spot on the podium.  So yeah, if Norris finishes anywhere decent at quali and if his line still is 2.25 to finish top 3, I'd prolly take that line.

[retreat]

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There are very skilled drivers such as Hamilton, Norris, Leclerc and so on. But they don't have a similar car to Verstappen's unfortunately.
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I think that the factor that made Verstappen where he is today was not just the car, even if that was one of the important factors, but the confidence he has and the skills he has. Perez got the same car as Verstappen but why can't he match Verstappen? even the difference in their points was almost 1 times. So there are many skilled drivers in F1 but Verstappen is still above them.

[swogerino]

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There are very skilled drivers such as Hamilton, Norris, Leclerc and so on. But they don't have a similar car to Verstappen's unfortunately.
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I think that the factor that made Verstappen where he is today was not just the car, even if that was one of the important factors, but the confidence he has and the skills he has. Perez got the same car as Verstappen but why can't he match Verstappen? even the difference in their points was almost 1 times. So there are many skilled drivers in F1 but Verstappen is still above them.

Of course it is the skill compared to Perez but Perez was always a mediocre driver,he even drove for McLaren when they were relatively well meaning that they won a race with Heikki Kovalainen and Perez could not deliver that much even there,that for me was enough to judge this driver as not some of the very skillful ones,just an average or maybe just a bit over the average driver but nothing special about him.

Max is in a complete different league,the crashes that he made showed his burning desire to win races even when he was young and inexperienced.So the car is a big factor but only when you have it run by a very skillful driver.

[Volgastallion]

I dont think we are gonna see rain in the track, or even in the race weekend, the percetage of possibilities its low.

I think Sebastian Vettel its gonna see the race for sure, his record its in danger, but knowing him i know he its gonna be happy to see someone broken it. What do you think?

[coinlocket$]

I dont think we are gonna see rain in the track, or even in the race weekend, the percetage of possibilities its low.

I think Sebastian Vettel its gonna see the race for sure, his record its in danger, but knowing him i know he its gonna be happy to see someone broken it. What do you think?

You may be right, according to google and quick math, we will have around 30% AVG of the possibility of having rain during the race/qualy.

[retreat]

I dont think we are gonna see rain in the track, or even in the race weekend, the percetage of possibilities its low.

I think Sebastian Vettel its gonna see the race for sure, his record its in danger, but knowing him i know he its gonna be happy to see someone broken it. What do you think?

It looks like Max will be able to break the record given the performance he put in, and I'm pretty sure he'll be able to get a P1 even if the weather turns rainy. Moreover, Vettel does not feel that Max is a threat to his record and instead he really respects Max because what he did to reach his current position was not easy and really deserves appreciation.
And not only that record, Red Bull will also break the record in "biggest points lead ever in the world championship" if Mercedes has a poor performance in this race.

[Davian144]

This week there is no race for MotoGP, but until now there are still many rumors about some riders who are eyeing a vacant seat in two of Ducati's satellite teams after the announcement of Johan Zarco's move to the LCR Honda team for next season and also Marco Bezz's rejection to Pramac Racing Ducati. From some of the rumors I've read, some say that Joan Mir himself is eyeing one of the seats at Gresini Racing Ducati even though his contract with Honda has not yet been completed.

Likewise with Marquez, who from several rumors has been linked to a seat at Pramac Racing, even though his contract with Honda has not yet been completed, but in some local news I read that Morbidelli also has the opportunity to get a seat at Pramac Racing because Yamaha has no longer contracted him for next season and prefer Alex Rins to fill Morbidelli's vacant seat. Apart from that, Valentino Rossi himself is also very supportive if Morbidelli goes to Pramac Racing for next season.

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2023 F1 Dutch Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (1)
Pos    Driver    Nat.   Team    Time
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m11.852s
2   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m12.130s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m12.225s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m12.323s
5   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m12.447s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m12.460s
7   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m12.617s
8   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m12.658s
9   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m12.749s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m12.802s
11   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m12.813s
12   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m12.895s
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m12.990s
14   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m13.322s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m13.448s
16   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m13.519s
17   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m13.826s
18   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m14.023s
19   Robert Shwartzman   ISR   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.803s
20   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set

Souce;https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1033964/1/f1-2023-dutch-grand-prix-friday-practice-results

same story again, max dominating.

[swogerino]

Max is also dominating in the FP2 which right now has been interrupted and I don't know why as I am on vacation and only following through Flashscore but I assume some kind of accident or heavy rain.The same story will go on until the end of this season and we will be extremely lucky if we will see Verstappen crashing or having mechanical or electrical failures as the only options we have to see another team winning a race and that will be if Perez continues to drive in the mediocre way he has been doing in these last few races.

[Volgastallion]

Asides of Max Verstappen and Redbull dominating so much, we can see in this free practice 2 Lando Norris showing the face for McClaren again and saying to all, we still are here, so McClaren still on the good way to upgrade and keep fighting.

Williams again being the "surprise" in FP1 and seeing all this Alpine its not gonna follow Mcclaren if their dont make a step up right now.

[moneystery]

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Likewise with Marquez, who from several rumors has been linked to a seat at Pramac Racing, even though his contract with Honda has not yet been completed, but in some local news I read that Morbidelli also has the opportunity to get a seat at Pramac Racing because Yamaha has no longer contracted him for next season and prefer Alex Rins to fill Morbidelli's vacant seat. Apart from that, Valentino Rossi himself is also very supportive if Morbidelli goes to Pramac Racing for next season.

it's still 50/50 for Marquez to be able to join Pramac Racing, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he does join Pramac Racing seeing that he is quite disappointed with Honda not providing significant improvements to their bikes. if Honda didn't react well to what Marquez asked, it was certain that he would leave Honda and that was the beginning of Honda's downfall because they didn't have a good rider anymore.

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2023 F1 Dutch Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (2)
Pos    Driver    Nat.   Team    Time
1   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m11.330s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m11.353s
3   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m11.599s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m11.638s
5   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m11.720s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m11.766s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m11.817s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m11.835s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m11.857s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m11.863s
11   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m11.915s
12   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m11.934s
13   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m12.001s
14   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m12.009s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m12.074s
16   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m12.093s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m12.404s
18   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m12.693s
19   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m12.901s
20   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m13.096s

Fp2 resutls, https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1033964/1/f1-dutch-grand-prix-2023-friday-practice-results

Norris ahead, as we saw Mclaren is the only one who can compete with them