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[cryptojac17]

What do you guys think about the new F1 logo?
Tbh I think it looks really ugly and kinda reminds me of Sega's. Even the drivers (Hamilton and Vettel in particular) are questioning the change.
I just love how the 1 integrated into the F and I don't think Liberty Media should just replace this iconic logo with this PoS.

   

The old Formula 1 logo was absolutely accurate, while the new recent one is just absurd. It has no meaning at all. If there is, just inform because the moment I first saw it, I'm confused about it.

[cicciobtc]

What do you guys think about the new F1 logo?
Tbh I think it looks really ugly and kinda reminds me of Sega's. Even the drivers (Hamilton and Vettel in particular) are questioning the change.
I just love how the 1 integrated into the F and I don't think Liberty Media should just replace this iconic logo with this PoS.

   

The old Formula 1 logo was absolutely accurate, while the new recent one is just absurd. It has no meaning at all. If there is, just inform because the moment I first saw it, I'm confused about it.

Yes, I agree, this logo is really bad. They changed the logo to forget Ecclestone.
The old logo was very cool as well as being an icon.
This logo is very similar to that of the ESPN television broadcaster.

[LTU_btc]

What do you guys think about the new F1 logo?
Tbh I think it looks really ugly and kinda reminds me of Sega's. Even the drivers (Hamilton and Vettel in particular) are questioning the change.
I just love how the 1 integrated into the F and I don't think Liberty Media should just replace this iconic logo with this PoS.

As mostly people, I also don't like new logo. Maybe old logo wasn't perfect due to not very well visible number "1".  But that logo was already legendary and it was easy to recognize it for everyone. Maybe it was enough just to renew this logo. But it's obvious that Liberty Media want to start new era without past from Bernie times.

[tokeweed]

Lol at that logo.  It sucks.  But let's see what's coming next year.  With all the rebranding and sh*t going on, let's see what improvements are on the table.

And I wish they'd drop halo.  Does anybody else itt, besides me, hate it?

[babygun]

I also don't like the new logo, more than that it is just ugly. Too bad they replace the iconic logo after 23 years, but it is clear that Liberty Media is going to take a new direction far away from Bernie.

[cicciobtc]

Final Standings Drivers F1 2017:

1.Hamilton         363     gap  (9 wins)
2.Vettel               317      -46  (5 wins)
3.Bottas              305      -58  (3 wins)
4.Raikkonen        205    -158  (0 wins)
5.Ricciardo          200    -163   (1 wins)
6.Verstappen       168    -195   (2 wins)
7.Perez                100    -263
8.Ocon                   87    -276
9.Sainz                   54    -309
10.Hulkenber         43    -320
10.Massa               43    -320
12.Stroll                 40    -323

Raikkonen has overtaken Ricciardo in the standings and finished 4th
Raikkonen among the top 6 is the only one who has not even won 1 race


Final Standings Drivers F1 2017:

1.Mercedes    668 (12 wins)
2.Ferrari         522   (5 wins)
3.Red Bull      368   (3 wins)
4.Force India  187
5.Williams       83
6.Renault         57
7.Toro Rosso    53
8.Haas             47
9.McLaren        30
10.Sauber          5

With the sixth place of Hulkenberg at Abu Dhabi,  Renault surpasses Toro Rosso and earns $ 13M

[Dux2K]

What do you guys think about the new F1 logo?
Tbh I think it looks really ugly and kinda reminds me of Sega's. Even the drivers (Hamilton and Vettel in particular) are questioning the change.
I just love how the 1 integrated into the F and I don't think Liberty Media should just replace this iconic logo with this PoS.

   

The old Formula 1 logo was absolutely accurate, while the new recent one is just absurd. It has no meaning at all. If there is, just inform because the moment I first saw it, I'm confused about it.

Yes, I agree, this logo is really bad. They changed the logo to forget Ecclestone.
The old logo was very cool as well as being an icon.
This logo is very similar to that of the ESPN television broadcaster.

Logo is something bad for me. Old one is good and really indicates the f1 thing.
This new is off the subject and for me quite of the topic.

[cicciobtc]

Here are the drivers of F1 2018 for each team:

MERCEDES: Hamilton, Bottas
FERRARI: Vettel, Raikkonen
RED BULL: Verstappen,Ricciardo
FORCE INDIA: Perez,Ocon
RENAULT: Hulkenberg, Sainz
TORO ROSSO: Gasly, Hartley
HAAS: Grosjean, Magnussen
MCLAREN: Alonso,Vandoorne
ALFA ROMEO SAUBER: Leclerc, Ericsson
WILLIAMS: Stroll and 1 among: Kubica(favorite), Kvyat, Wehrlein.

Leclerc seems a great talent.
if he will do a good season in 2018, in 2019 he could go to Ferrari

[cicciobtc]

FIA has inaugurated the "Hall of Fame" in Paris, initially including the 33 World of f1 Champions:

here is the list of 33:

Nino Farina: 1950 ;Juan Manuel Fangio: 1951,1954,1957; Alberto Ascari: 1952,1953, Mike Hawthorn: 1958; Jack Brabham: 1959,1960,1966; Phil Hill: 1961; Graham Hill: 1962,1968; Jim Clark: 1963,1965; John Surtees: 1964; Denny Hulme: 1967; Jackie Stewart: 1969,1971,1973; Jochen Rindt: 1970; Emerson Fittipaldi: 1972,1974; Niki Lauda: 1975,1977,1984; James Hunt: 1976; Mario Andretti: 1978; Jody Scheckter: 1979; Alan Jones: 1980; Nelson Piquet: 1981,1983,1987; Keke Rosberg: 1982; Alain Prost: 1985,1986,1987,1993; Ayrton Senna: 1988,1990,1991; Nigel Mansell:1992; Michael Schumacher: 1994,1995,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004; Damon Hill: 1996; Jacques Villenueve:1997; Mika Hakkinen: 1998,1999; Fernando Alonso:2005-2006;  Kimi Raikkonen: 2007; Lewis Hamilton: 2008,2014,2015,2017;
Jenson Button: 2009; Sebastian Vettel 2010,2011,2012,2013; Nico Rosberg: 2016;

My favorites are surely Ayrton Senna e Michael Schumacher!

Drivers from other categories will also be included in the coming years

[bbc.reporter]

Here are the drivers of F1 2018 for each team:

MERCEDES: Hamilton, Bottas
FERRARI: Vettel, Raikkonen
RED BULL: Verstappen,Ricciardo
FORCE INDIA: Perez,Ocon
RENAULT: Hulkenberg, Sainz
TORO ROSSO: Gasly, Hartley
HAAS: Grosjean, Magnussen
MCLAREN: Alonso,Vandoorne
ALFA ROMEO SAUBER: Leclerc, Ericsson
WILLIAMS: Stroll and 1 among: Kubica(favorite), Kvyat, Wehrlein.

Leclerc seems a great talent.
if he will do a good season in 2018, in 2019 he could go to Ferrari

I want to see Pascal Wehrlein for that 2nd Williams seat or any seat on 2018 for that matter. He is such a wasted young talent who should be given a break at Mercedes, like what Redbull did for Max.

He can be a strong no. 2 for Lewis Hamilton, I reckon, but more exciting.

[cryptojac17]

FIA has inaugurated the "Hall of Fame" in Paris, initially including the 33 World of f1 Champions:

here is the list of 33:

Nino Farina: 1950 ;Juan Manuel Fangio: 1951,1954,1957; Alberto Ascari: 1952,1953, Mike Hawthorn: 1958; Jack Brabham: 1959,1960,1966; Phil Hill: 1961; Graham Hill: 1962,1968; Jim Clark: 1963,1965; John Surtees: 1964; Denny Hulme: 1967; Jackie Stewart: 1969,1971,1973; Jochen Rindt: 1970; Emerson Fittipaldi: 1972,1974; Niki Lauda: 1975,1977,1984; James Hunt: 1976; Mario Andretti: 1978; Jody Scheckter: 1979; Alan Jones: 1980; Nelson Piquet: 1981,1983,1987; Keke Rosberg: 1982; Alain Prost: 1985,1986,1987,1993; Ayrton Senna: 1988,1990,1991; Nigel Mansell:1992; Michael Schumacher: 1994,1995,2000,2001,2002,2003,2004; Damon Hill: 1996; Jacques Villenueve:1997; Mika Hakkinen: 1998,1999; Fernando Alonso:2005-2006;  Kimi Raikkonen: 2007; Lewis Hamilton: 2008,2014,2015,2017;
Jenson Button: 2009; Sebastian Vettel 2010,2011,2012,2013; Nico Rosberg: 2016;

My favorites are surely Ayrton Senna e Michael Schumacher!

Drivers from other categories will also be included in the coming years

Yeah Ayrton Senna ended his career with sad ending together with his life in the year 1994 Senna's bright carrier ended with an incredible crash that cost his life at the San Marino, Imola Grand Prix. His death is not just a lost to F1 but also serve as lesson to learn for the organization to provide safety features to their car to avoid the same accident that happened to Senna.

[cicciobtc]

Here are the drivers of F1 2018 for each team:

MERCEDES: Hamilton, Bottas
FERRARI: Vettel, Raikkonen
RED BULL: Verstappen,Ricciardo
FORCE INDIA: Perez,Ocon
RENAULT: Hulkenberg, Sainz
TORO ROSSO: Gasly, Hartley
HAAS: Grosjean, Magnussen
MCLAREN: Alonso,Vandoorne
ALFA ROMEO SAUBER: Leclerc, Ericsson
WILLIAMS: Stroll and 1 among: Kubica(favorite), Kvyat, Wehrlein.

Leclerc seems a great talent.
if he will do a good season in 2018, in 2019 he could go to Ferrari

I want to see Pascal Wehrlein for that 2nd Williams seat or any seat on 2018 for that matter. He is such a wasted young talent who should be given a break at Mercedes, like what Redbull did for Max.

He can be a strong no. 2 for Lewis Hamilton, I reckon, but more exciting.

the second driver for Williams is a rebus.
Kubica is always the favorite but there are 2 new candidates:
the Russian Sergey Sirotikin (he in the tests has shown to be in great shape and can bring money to Williams)
and even Felipe Massa (it would be sensational considering that 2 times he said to close his career in F1).
The williams will make the decision in the next 10 days

[cicciobtc]

FIA in these days has officialized, the calendar F1 2018.
There will be 21 races.
In 2018 the Gp of Germany and France will return.

From June 24th to July 8th there will be 3 consecutive races:

25 March: Melbourne-Australia
8 April: Sakhir-Bahrain
15 April: Shanghai-China
29 April: Baku-Azerbaijan
13 May: Barcelona-Spain
27 May: Monaco-Montecarlo
10 June: Montreal-Canada
24 June: Le Castellet-France
1 July: Spielberg-Austria
8 July: Silverstone-Great Britain
22 July: Hockenheim-Germany
29 July: Budapest-Hungary
26 August: Spa-Francorchamps-Belgium
2 September: Monza-Italy
16 September: Singapore-Singapore
30 September: Sochi-Russia
7 October: Suzuka-Japan
21 October: Austin-USA*
28 October: Mexico City-Mexico
11 November: Sao Paulo-Brazil
25 November: Yas Marina-Abu Dhabi

[Razick]

Here are the drivers of F1 2018 for each team:

MERCEDES: Hamilton, Bottas
FERRARI: Vettel, Raikkonen
RED BULL: Verstappen,Ricciardo
FORCE INDIA: Perez,Ocon
RENAULT: Hulkenberg, Sainz
TORO ROSSO: Gasly, Hartley
HAAS: Grosjean, Magnussen
MCLAREN: Alonso,Vandoorne
ALFA ROMEO SAUBER: Leclerc, Ericsson
WILLIAMS: Stroll and 1 among: Kubica(favorite), Kvyat, Wehrlein.

Leclerc seems a great talent.
if he will do a good season in 2018, in 2019 he could go to Ferrari

I want to see Pascal Wehrlein for that 2nd Williams seat or any seat on 2018 for that matter. He is such a wasted young talent who should be given a break at Mercedes, like what Redbull did for Max.

He can be a strong no. 2 for Lewis Hamilton, I reckon, but more exciting.

the second driver for Williams is a rebus.
Kubica is always the favorite but there are 2 new candidates:
the Russian Sergey Sirotikin (he in the tests has shown to be in great shape and can bring money to Williams)
and even Felipe Massa (it would be sensational considering that 2 times he said to close his career in F1).
The williams will make the decision in the next 10 days

I was watching racing the other day and for the first time, I can say I understand what the point of it is. It never occured to me really why it was fun before, but now I see why.

[bbc.reporter]

@Razick. Do you have a favorite driver yet hehe?

Also, learn the rules, especially the rules during qualifying, pertaining to the tires used and what should be used at the start of the race. That is very important in trying to understand what kind of strategy a team is doing.

@cicciobtc. I reckon Kubica is not 100% fit for Formula 1 anymore.

[Dux2K]

Kubica wont be in formula anymore, personally would like him to see driving again but think that this is not possible anymore not for him. They will go for younger drivers.

[cicciobtc]

Williams seems to have discarded Kubica.
Now the favorite is the young Russian Sirotkin helped by a $15M sponsor.
Williams will officially announce the new driver on friday 15 december

[bbc.reporter]

@cicciobtc. I told you, he is not fit for Formula 1 racing anymore. But it was nice for Williams to test him and to give him his chance. Sadly, after the rally car accident, his career is over.

In any case, a young driver with money for the team is always the best choice for smaller teams. I know Williams has the history, but they are not as big as before.

[cicciobtc]

@cicciobtc. I told you, he is not fit for Formula 1 racing anymore. But it was nice for Williams to test him and to give him his chance. Sadly, after the rally car accident, his career is over.

In any case, a young driver with money for the team is always the best choice for smaller teams. I know Williams has the history, but they are not as big as before.

Yes, Kubica will no longer be 100% of its potential, but in the tests it has achieved good results and deserved this chance to return to F1.
 His engagement is a risk but also a beautiful sport story!
Williams chose the easy way by preferring money to Kubica.

[bbc.reporter]

If he deserves a chance to drive for a team is only individual to that team, not to you or me. They have made a better examination on his latest data and they can evaluate better if he truly deserves to race in Formula 1.

Also the news has the tendency to hype, very much like the news about ICOs hehe. So I do not reckon Kubica is as good as the news' hype.