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[AakZaki]

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Marquez finished 7th, remember he started in 20th this is great.

Rossi fell again, Assen is no longer a good home for Rossi.

Yep, as I recall, only Rossi was able to do something like this. But I don't know which series I forget. The Assen series may be an amazing series for Marquez. If you look at the second lap he is already in 10th position. Even Rossi may not have done it. This result is probably a warm-up stage and a sign to other riders that I (Marquez) are ready to compete with you. This result is also a sign that his mentality is starting to improve, his physicality has also started to be at its best.

[redsun114]

Mercedes is planning to add updates to its cars as it looks to regain its dominance in the Formula One world championship. So the current short term dominance by RedBull could be cut short.After Verstappen won the Styria Grand Prix, Hamiltondriver urged his team to make changes in the car in order to increase its speed.
Mercedes chief Toto Wolff said the focus is now on the 2022 car, but James Allison, director of the Mercedes technical office, made it clear that this did not preclude modifications to the current model.

The question for Mercedes now is that if they keep on fighting for this year's title, they could actually make that happen, but then next year's car will not be as good, whereas if they just let Red Bull win it this year, they will most definitely win it back next year for sure. It is just not an easy choice to make, it is really a difficult task and that is why I am not sure if they will actually do it or not. There is really no wrong answer here, it is racing and no matter what you do sometimes you just win because of luck, and sometimes you just lose because of being unlucky.

Of course cars play a big role, of course you need a good car, there is no denying that, but when two cars are as close as Red Bull and Mercedes cars, and when racers are this close in talent as well, it becomes a very tough task to win it by purely spending more money on this year's car, that is not going to guarantee anything.

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Dominicali president of Fia is not talking to change some rules in the following years.
His idea, for now, is to have 23 tracks +2.

The extra 2 tracks will be a rotation with other tracks, like bonus tracks in Mugello for example.

We are going up 25 races/year and I'm happy with it.

[AndySt]

Mercedes is planning to add updates to its cars as it looks to regain its dominance in the Formula One world championship. So the current short term dominance by RedBull could be cut short.After Verstappen won the Styria Grand Prix, Hamiltondriver urged his team to make changes in the car in order to increase its speed.
Mercedes chief Toto Wolff said the focus is now on the 2022 car, but James Allison, director of the Mercedes technical office, made it clear that this did not preclude modifications to the current model.

The question for Mercedes now is that if they keep on fighting for this year's title, they could actually make that happen, but then next year's car will not be as good, whereas if they just let Red Bull win it this year, they will most definitely win it back next year for sure. It is just not an easy choice to make, it is really a difficult task and that is why I am not sure if they will actually do it or not. There is really no wrong answer here, it is racing and no matter what you do sometimes you just win because of luck, and sometimes you just lose because of being unlucky.
Of course cars play a big role, of course you need a good car, there is no denying that, but when two cars are as close as Red Bull and Mercedes cars, and when racers are this close in talent as well, it becomes a very tough task to win it by purely spending more money on this year's car, that is not going to guarantee anything.

The gap between the Mercedes and Red Bull cars is not so great that, like Ferrari, the championship is officially out of the fight, and there is no other way to call the recent step of the Italian team. Next season will have its own separate story with its own separate rules and priorities. And there is a chance to remain without a title this year, and not achieve anything next year, because many teams are already officially focusing on next year. Therefore, I believe that Mercedes will try to modernize the car until the last moment and fight for the title both in the individual competition and especially for the Constructors ' Cup.

[Juggy777]

Mercedes is planning to add updates to its cars as it looks to regain its dominance in the Formula One world championship. So the current short term dominance by RedBull could be cut short.After Verstappen won the Styria Grand Prix, Hamiltondriver urged his team to make changes in the car in order to increase its speed.
Mercedes chief Toto Wolff said the focus is now on the 2022 car, but James Allison, director of the Mercedes technical office, made it clear that this did not preclude modifications to the current model.

The question for Mercedes now is that if they keep on fighting for this year's title, they could actually make that happen, but then next year's car will not be as good, whereas if they just let Red Bull win it this year, they will most definitely win it back next year for sure. It is just not an easy choice to make, it is really a difficult task and that is why I am not sure if they will actually do it or not. There is really no wrong answer here, it is racing and no matter what you do sometimes you just win because of luck, and sometimes you just lose because of being unlucky.
Of course cars play a big role, of course you need a good car, there is no denying that, but when two cars are as close as Red Bull and Mercedes cars, and when racers are this close in talent as well, it becomes a very tough task to win it by purely spending more money on this year's car, that is not going to guarantee anything.

The gap between the Mercedes and Red Bull cars is not so great that, like Ferrari, the championship is officially out of the fight, and there is no other way to call the recent step of the Italian team. Next season will have its own separate story with its own separate rules and priorities. And there is a chance to remain without a title this year, and not achieve anything next year, because many teams are already officially focusing on next year. Therefore, I believe that Mercedes will try to modernize the car until the last moment and fight for the title both in the individual competition and especially for the Constructors ' Cup.

@AndySt I believe that Mercedes will make few modifications now to keep Hamilton happy, because if he’s not happy then he won’t sign a contract extension hence they don’t have any option but to fulfil his wishes. However at the same time I don’t expect some major modifications immediately, but I feel they’ll strive to strike the right balance for being competitive now and then focusing on next year upgrades.

[Koal-84]

Boring race.

Redbull is too strong with the last update (irregular?) to the engine.
The only fun part of the race went from Ferrari, sad for the Leclerc accident at the start or he could end 5th.

The next race it will be here next week.

This weekend it smells like rain in Spielberg, so luckily it won't be the same race as last week. But even in the rain, no one except RedBull and Mercedes will have a great chance of winning. Or you think Ferrari also has a chance in the rain?

[LTU_btc]

This weekend it smells like rain in Spielberg, so luckily it won't be the same race as last week. But even in the rain, no one except RedBull and Mercedes will have a great chance of winning. Or you think Ferrari also has a chance in the rain?
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Last week there was rain in forecast last week and actually started to rain maybe 10 minutes after race. I would really like to see wet race in Spielberg. Last week there was no questions about 1st and 2nd place, so rain may bring completely different scenario.

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This weekend it smells like rain in Spielberg, so luckily it won't be the same race as last week. But even in the rain, no one except RedBull and Mercedes will have a great chance of winning. Or you think Ferrari also has a chance in the rain?

With rain, we know everything is possible.
Also, Ferrari got overheating problems 2 weeks ago in France.

If they have this problem they can use it as an advantage since with wet tires they could heating the tires faster than opponents, also as we saw in Monaco Ferrari is excellent with high grip.

I think they have a shot if it will rain.

[tokeweed]

I missed both practice sessions but what caught my eye is Vettel at FP2 placing at 5th.  I checked the number of laps and it was 28 and 37 so it didn’t rain.  He was a good 1.2 secs faster between practice sessions too.  Hoping to see a good race for him. 

2021 Austrian GP FP 1 Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m05.143s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m05.409s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m05.431s
4   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m05.445s
5   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m05.474s
6   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m05.586s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m05.709s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m05.726s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m05.726s
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m05.880s
11   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m05.980s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m06.181s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m06.203s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m06.414s
15   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m06.444s
16   Callum Ilott   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m05.564s
17   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m06.583s
18   Roy Nissany   ISR   Williams Racing   1m06.683s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m06.978s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m07.316s

2021 F1 Austrian GP FP2 Results

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m04.523s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m04.712s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m04.740s
4   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m05.139s
5   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m05.268s
6   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m05.356s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m05.379s
8   Fernando Alonso   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m05.393s
9   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m05.466s
10   Antonio Giovinazzi   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m05.511s
11   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m05.516s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m05.527s
13   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m05.620s
14   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m05.624s
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m05.698s
16   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m05.708s
17   George Russell   ISR   Williams Racing   1m05.819s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m05.911s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m06.014s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m06.173s

[Koal-84]

The results of today are very difficult to assess for me, many teams have tested the new tire for Silverstone and have tested on the new red (C5) long runs. Tomorrow the weather should be better and sunnier and it should come only on Sunday the rain. The weather will definitely make it more exciting than last weekend. Maybe there are other tire strategies on Sunday?

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So the times they did Today are faster than what they did last week.
The pole position of last week was 1.03.8 from Verstappen.

According to Google Sunday we will have 40-50% rain and some team tomorrow can go with more drag to get an advantage in the race if they think it will rain.



Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=meteo+spielberg&sxsrf=ALeKk03K91WoTH1dscsji3GaQ0HCqfbL0w%3A1625255547153&source=hp&ei=e27fYP6IB9SN1fAP_5682AE&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYN98i5sFZkQgbKcaxD5uHF35nhcZs8DT&oq=metoe+spilberg&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMYADIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIECAAQDTIGCAAQDRAeMgYIABANEB4yBggAEA0QHjIICAAQDRAFEB4yCAgAEA0QBRAeMggIABANEAUQHjIICAAQCBANEB46BAgjECc6BAguECc6BAguEEM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgQIABBDOgUIABCxAzoHCCMQJxCdAjoCCAA6CAgAELEDEMkDOgoIABCxAxCDARAKOg8IIxCxAhAnEJ0CEEYQgAI6CggAELEDEMkDEAo6BQgAEJIDOgQIABAKOgkIABANEEYQgAI6BggAEA0QCjoICAAQFhAKEB5QmQRYqiJg6i1oAHAAeAGAAZcFiAHdEJIBCTYuNi4xLjUtMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=gws-wiz

[swogerino]

Great to see on breaking news in F1 official instagram that Lewis Hamilton has signed with Mercedes until at least the 2023 season,for another 2 years he signed with the Mercedes team in F1.This will give him the option to fight for that 8th title which during this year it seems not that easy for him to achieve after Honda having stepped up their game for real this time.

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Great to see on breaking news in F1 official instagram that Lewis Hamilton has signed with Mercedes until at least the 2023 season,for another 2 years he signed with the Mercedes team in F1.This will give him the option to fight for that 8th title which during this year it seems not that easy for him to achieve after Honda having stepped up their game for real this time.

Hamilton-Russell than the next year, or even during this year if Bottas keeping underperforming...

[Jackl87]

The results of today are very difficult to assess for me, many teams have tested the new tire for Silverstone and have tested on the new red (C5) long runs. Tomorrow the weather should be better and sunnier and it should come only on Sunday the rain. The weather will definitely make it more exciting than last weekend. Maybe there are other tire strategies on Sunday?

1      Max Verstappen   Red Bull      1.03.720
2          Lando Norris   McLaren      1.03.768
3      Sergio Perez   Red Bull      1.03.990
4      Lewis Hamilton   Mercedes      1.04.014
5      Valtteri Bottas   Mercedes      1.04.049
6      Pierre Gasly   AlphaTaur     1.04.107
7      Yuki Tsunoda   AlphaTauri      1.04.273
8      Sebastian Vettel   Aston Martin 1.04.570
9      George Russell   Williams      1.04.591
10      Lance Stroll   Aston Martin 1.04.618

Great qualifying today with a very impressive performance of Lando Norris as he is on P2 with only 0.0048 seconds behind Verstappen. Perez on P3 and the two mercedes will only start from position 4 and 5. I don't think though that Norris can hold this position in the race tomorrow as the race speed of the Mclaren will probably be slower than the one of Red Bull and Mercedes. His teammate Ricciardo starts from P13 which makes me feel a little sad for Ricciardo as he seems like a nice guy and always performed very well too except for this season. Sebastian Vettel managed to beat Lance Stroll but may receive a penalty because he ruined the lap of Alonso because he didn't see him.

[tokeweed]

Great to see on breaking news in F1 official instagram that Lewis Hamilton has signed with Mercedes until at least the 2023 season,for another 2 years he signed with the Mercedes team in F1.This will give him the option to fight for that 8th title which during this year it seems not that easy for him to achieve after Honda having stepped up their game for real this time.

Hamilton-Russell than the next year, or even during this year if Bottas keeping underperforming...

I think it’s going to somewhat dangerous for Hamilton if Russell does become Merc’s second driver.  Russell will def take some shine away from Hamilton.  And doesn’t  Hamilton always have a clause in his contract that says he has a say in deciding who his partner is?  It’s gonna be still Bottas imho.  Hamilton will want none of Russell.  

Possible penalty for Vettel after accidentally blocking  Alonso in his out lap..  which I’m kinda feel happy for because Russell could’ve been out of the top 10 if Alonso made the hot lap.  

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What a time for Lando, incredible but Verstappen did some small mistakes.
Hoping for the rain.

Ferrari preferred to start over position 10 over using red tires, a good choice?

[sana54210]

Great to see on breaking news in F1 official instagram that Lewis Hamilton has signed with Mercedes until at least the 2023 season,for another 2 years he signed with the Mercedes team in F1.This will give him the option to fight for that 8th title which during this year it seems not that easy for him to achieve after Honda having stepped up their game for real this time.

I do not understand why people assumed that he would retire. I mean dude is still fighting for the title races and that's good enough isn't it? Did Schumacher retire as soon as he wasn't the champion anymore? He raced 3 more seasons after his domination was over and not only that he actually made a comeback and finished 9th one season, as the best driver ever when he retired according to how many wins he had (now Lewis passed him) dude still was fine with coming back and being basically bad at that point.

So that is why I doubt that Lewis will retire as soon as he becomes second or third, he will continue at least some more years even after that 2023 as well. Obviously if there is any personal reason why he can't continue then I would understand that, but if he doesn't have that type of problem and he is doing fine then I believe he may race as much as 2025 at a stretch.

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The possibility of raining tomorrow according to google has dropped to 25% from 35-40%  .
Anyway, Vettel got 3 positions penalty for damaging Alonso's fast lap.



 Source: https://twitter.com/Gianludale27/status/1411375603631198212

[AndySt]

I think it’s going to somewhat dangerous for Hamilton if Russell does become Merc’s second driver.  Russell will def take some shine away from Hamilton.  And doesn’t  Hamilton always have a clause in his contract that says he has a say in deciding who his partner is?  It’s gonna be still Bottas imho.  Hamilton will want none of Russell.  
Possible penalty for Vettel after accidentally blocking  Alonso in his out lap..  which I’m kinda feel happy for because Russell could’ve been out of the top 10 if Alonso made the hot lap.  

It turns out that there is no such clause in the contract or there was no such clause at all, because the head of Mercedes, Toto Wolff, said that the team would hold talks with Russell and Bottas this summer and make a decision maybe before the end of the season. I think that in any case, Bottas should stay until the end of this season, especially since his results seem to be slowly starting to improve. In any case, Wolf says that Hamilton's position in the team is unshakable and the team wanted to continue cooperation, and a choice will be made about the co-driver. Lewis ' wishes are clear, but the interests of the team are more important and it is in favor of these interests that a decision will be made.

[CLS63]

The qualifying of the Austrian GP was just insane. Because George Russell and Williams managed to qualify for Q3 for the first time. And Russell is going to start at the 8th position. I'm so excited to see him race tomorrow. I hope that he doesn't get unlucky in the race also and he can finish in top 10. I know that it's really hard but he may really do it this time.

Verstappen didn't surprise anyone and took the pole position. But it was a great day for Lando Norris. He was nearly capturing the pole position but he is going to start as the 2nd. There was only 0:00.048 time difference between him and Verstappen. And Perez managed to take the 3rd spot which is really important for the team. This time Mercedes seems to have even bigger disadvantage. I can't wait to see the race!