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[xzone]

The race started with great excitement. We saw a few cars spin up just at the beginning of the race. Alonso was very angry at this, he fell so far behind in the ranking because of Gasly. 5 second penalty came as a result of the investigation.
Hamilton didn't get far enough in the beginning. A race where we can see surprising results with wet ground awaits us.

If the rain had not started again, it would have been a wonderful show in the sky. The aerobatic demonstration team of the Turkish Air Force and the national aerobatics team of Turkey "Turkish Stars" were going to perform a show

[ingiltere]

Hamilton and Sainz started great, Sainz went up to 9th place and Hamilton is in 5th place now. If Hamilton pass Verstappen probably we see Bottas in second and Hamilton in first position in the end. Other than that Bottas should go for first, it would be his first win since Sochi 2020.
Leclerc got the fastest lap now just under 1:33 for the first time today.
It's too bad for Alonso, he's the only victim in first lap, he had a good position in start. Ricciardo did the only stop, it's a one pit stop strategy after this.

[STT]

Hamilton much faster than all other drivers

Not too surprised, I think the odds for a win were worth it.  The nature of the circuit doesn't make the rain too much a danger this time perhaps that one really tight hairpin is the most likely problem for control in the rain and Hamilton is 5th right now.   He might even come through despite the penalty depending if he can stay consistent  and shave off the seconds per lap

[Koal-84]

Hamilton much faster than all other drivers

Not too surprised, I think the odds for a win were worth it.  The nature of the circuit doesn't make the rain too much a danger this time perhaps that one really tight hairpin is the most likely problem for control in the rain and Hamilton is 5th right now.   He might even come through despite the penalty depending if he can stay consistent  and shave off the seconds per lap

Hamilton has now lost a few more places, Verstappen got the maximum for him, overall RedBull also made up points in the constructors standings today, so a very strong race from Perez as well. Bottas dominated the race from start to finish and deserved to win, congratulations.

[tokeweed]

Why didn’t I just bet the obvious and kept it simple instead of making it complicated.  Lol.  Hamilton fastest lap was 2.75, Bottas was prolly 4.50 - 5.50 or something.  Bottas had pole position, has potentially the clean air in front him for most of the race, has the fastest engine and that in itself should be hints that his betting lines are value.  And he’s been pretty consistent this season...

2021 F1 Turkish GP Race Results

1   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   58 Laps
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   + 14.584s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   + 33.471s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   + 37.471s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 41.812s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   + 44.292s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 47.213s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   + 51.526s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   + 82.018s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   + 1 Lap
11   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   + 1 Lap
12   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   + 1 Lap
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 Lap
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   + 1 Lap
15   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
16   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   + 1 Lap
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
18   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   + 1 Lap
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   + 2 Laps
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   

[CLS63]

It was an amazing race in Istanbul Park, Turkey. I enjoyed the great performance of Bottas and he made a great end by having the fastest lap in the last lap also. Verstappen didn't have even a slight chance to get very close to him. I didn't see a gap less than two minutes between them. It was a fully deserved victory. Verstappen and Perez captured the 2nd and 3rd places respectively at the end of the race. And I really liked the Perez - Hamilton rivalry in one of the laps. Perez defended him incredibly good that the spectators there also cheered a lot about it. It was a really unfortunate race for Hamilton after listening to his team and pitting. He insisted on staying on the track till the end and it turned out that he was right. Maybe he could have finished on the podium. The driver of the day was Sainz and he had a great race. Leclerc also finished at the 4th place and got a satisfying result. If he didn't struggle with his newest tyres, he might not have been overtaken by Perez and he might have been on the podium.

[tokeweed]

^  Did you really watch it?  The race was obv far from ‘amazing’.  Lol.  It was really boring except for the Leclerc vs Perez race battle.  But other than that, it was all so so..

[Luzin]

There are still 3 races left, how about Quaratararo? I'm a little worried about his performance. Last year in the final series he did not perform well. Then the next series is in San Marino, there is ducati's house, whether Quartararo will soon get the first podium there. If tomorrow he is able to win it looks like the world champion already belongs to him.

This is Top ten MotoGP World Standing 2021.
1   Fabio QUARTARARO   Yamaha   FRA   254
2   Francesco BAGNAIA   Ducati   ITA   202
3   Joan MIR   Suzuki   SPA   175
4   Jack MILLER   Ducati   AUS   149
5   Johann ZARCO   Ducati   FRA   141
6   Brad BINDER   KTM   RSA   131
7   Marc MARQUEZ   Honda   SPA   117
8   Aleix ESPARGARO   Aprilia   SPA   104
9   Maverick VIÑALES   Aprilia   SPA   98
10   Miguel OLIVEIRA   KTM   POR   92


Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

[panjul07]

There are still 3 races left, how about Quaratararo? I'm a little worried about his performance. Last year in the final series he did not perform well. Then the next series is in San Marino, there is ducati's house, whether Quartararo will soon get the first podium there. If tomorrow he is able to win it looks like the world champion already belongs to him.

The chance for him to lock the world champion title is big, he does not need to win the race to lock the title.
As long as he finish in front of Bagnaia, it is enough for him to lock the title in the next race.
Lets say the worst case for Quartararo, he will be able to lock the title even if he DNF but Bagnaia should not finish better than 15th (1 poin).

[swogerino]

This was somewhat a boring race overall.Except Lewis Hamilton doing everything he could in the wet conditions every other driver seemed to me like it didn't exist on track.A great victory for Bottas which could be as well as the last with Mercedes and maybe the last of his career if he continues to driver for under performing cars like Alfa Romeo from next season and up.Not much to say about this race,except a gamble from Vettel to try the medium tires with the yellow strap which didn't work as the track was enough wet to let him get back and put back on the intermediary tires.

[Jackl87]

^  Did you really watch it?  The race was obv far from ‘amazing’.  Lol.  It was really boring except for the Leclerc vs Perez race battle.  But other than that, it was all so so..

I only watched the start of the race and the first 10 rounds or so and then i had to leave and it seems like i have not missed very much by doing that. I thought that today could be an interesting race again because of the rain but in the end the rain was pretty consistent over the whole course of the race and therefore there was not much going on in that regards too. Vettel was the only one that risked it and changed to slick tyres but he had to pay for it and finished only at position 18. I also feel sad for Mick Schumacher, that Alonso made him spin and that he felt back to his usual position because of that.

[LTU_btc]

Considering that track was vet,race probably wasn't most exciting. We didn't even had safety car on track and all 20 drivers reached finnish. Very confident Bottas win - he deserves it was very needed for him - this year isn't easy for him.
Max didn't had any chance to win today, but Red Bull should be happy about final result - double podium and Verstappen is championship leader again. 5th place for Hamilton - not great, not terrible. But I think that with earlier pit stop he would have chance to finnish on higher place.
Ocon finnished race without changing his tyres. Impressive, but it didn't bring very good result for him - P10 isn't something special:
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1447209806033342475

[Iranus]

This was somewhat a boring race overall.Except Lewis Hamilton doing everything he could in the wet conditions every other driver seemed to me like it didn't exist on track.A great victory for Bottas which could be as well as the last with Mercedes and maybe the last of his career if he continues to driver for under performing cars like Alfa Romeo from next season and up.Not much to say about this race,except a gamble from Vettel to try the medium tires with the yellow strap which didn't work as the track was enough wet to let him get back and put back on the intermediary tires.

Hamilton showed a good performance and congrats to Bottas on winning it. Verstappen came 2nd and Lando Norris and Sainz placed 7th and 8th respectively. I was really happy that Bottas won it even after staying under the shadow of Hamilton and as you have said, this might be his last win as if I'm not wrong, Mercedes' car is better than that of Alfa Romeo's.  And with 2nd place, Verstappen has taken the F1 World Championship lead from Hamilton. This Hamilton vs Verstappen rivalry is getting spicier every day.

[Silver80]

this could change after Indonesia sanctioned by WADA, I hope they don't cancel the Moto Gp tournament at the Mandalika circuit.

I don't think so, that for a personal person or Athlete. Mandalika circuit is almost 100% ready for this year (2021), that we can see FIM Superbike on November 14, 2021, on schedule. certainty, Dorna Sports and FIM said MotoGP using Mandalika circuit for the next year. Maybe, at the end of this year, MotoGP racers will be testing out the circuit when they get a race tour in southeast Asia. but, we just watch, because there is no MotoGP racer from Indonesia.

Being a MotoGP racer is a fairly expensive sport that requires a big sponsor, so far there is no company in Indonesia willing to help young talents in MotoGP, but when Mandalika is opened there will be a trigger for interest in Indonesia in the future, this is a good way to host the race first.

[blue Snow]

Being a MotoGP racer is a fairly expensive sport that requires a big sponsor, so far there is no company in Indonesia willing to help young talents in MotoGP, but when Mandalika is opened there will be a trigger for interest in Indonesia in the future, this is a good way to host the race first.

If the racer has been an achievement, the sponsor will come with money, So far no racer from Indonesia to MotoGP, so the sponsor can't help.

There are still 3 races left, how about Quaratararo? I'm a little worried about his performance. Last year in the final series he did not perform well. Then the next series is in San Marino, there is ducati's house, whether Quartararo will soon get the first podium there. If tomorrow he is able to win it looks like the world champion already belongs to him.

He should be on the podium whatever position or he must pray for a new winner (not on top stand position) to the next race, when he gets a podium at least on 3rd position, he hopes Marquez and Valentino got the podium together as 1st and 2nd on Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli. that my 2 cent guess.

Look like Quartararo is racing alone like no team.

[Cnut237]

Considering that track was vet,race probably wasn't most exciting. We didn't even had safety car on track and all 20 drivers reached finnish. Very confident Bottas win - he deserves it was very needed for him - this year isn't easy for him.
Max didn't had any chance to win today, but Red Bull should be happy about final result - double podium and Verstappen is championship leader again. 5th place for Hamilton - not great, not terrible. But I think that with earlier pit stop he would have chance to finnish on higher place.

I think overall Hamilton has to be satisfied with the result. Going into the weekend, no-one really expected Bottas to win. And looking at the starting grid, I would have thought Verstappen would win, and the best Hamilton could hope for was second place, and so losing 7 points (25-18). As it was, the Bottas win was crucial for Hamilton, as it limited his loss to 8 (18-10)... which is almost the same as him coming second behind Verstappen.

[Luzin]

Lets say the worst case for Quartararo, he will be able to lock the title even if he DNF but Bagnaia should not finish better than 15th (1 poin).

It seems impossible. It might happen but it's very difficult. I think Yamaha is really familiar at this circuit, but this Ducati is like home. So the possibility of Bagnaia being 1st place in San Marino is very open.
Indeed, there are many options that can happen to become champions, but the easier calculation is to win the San Marino Series.
Another threat may come from Marquez, he performed well even though he was not optimal. I think next season he will be able to compete with the top drivers.

[boltz]

Considering that track was vet,race probably wasn't most exciting. We didn't even had safety car on track and all 20 drivers reached finnish. Very confident Bottas win - he deserves it was very needed for him - this year isn't easy for him.
Max didn't had any chance to win today, but Red Bull should be happy about final result - double podium and Verstappen is championship leader again. 5th place for Hamilton - not great, not terrible. But I think that with earlier pit stop he would have chance to finnish on higher place.

I think overall Hamilton has to be satisfied with the result. Going into the weekend, no-one really expected Bottas to win. And looking at the starting grid, I would have thought Verstappen would win, and the best Hamilton could hope for was second place, and so losing 7 points (25-18). As it was, the Bottas win was crucial for Hamilton, as it limited his loss to 8 (18-10)... which is almost the same as him coming second behind Verstappen.

Well I think it is but not fully satisfied with the results as we saw that Ocon tyres were okay without doing a pitstop so I think Lewis strategy was better for him in that moment and keep fighting for that 4th position. instead of pitting and losing 2 positions but ...it's easy from our point of view to judge but on those moment you rarely get a 2nd chance to think so every decision must be on point.

The real big question is : Why did not Ferrari pit on the same time with Max and Lewis ? Because if he pitted then , he was doing a massive undercut and 2nd place was already locked for him but once again Ferrari strategist show us that they simply don't understand the undercuts.

[Koal-84]

Considering that track was vet,race probably wasn't most exciting. We didn't even had safety car on track and all 20 drivers reached finnish. Very confident Bottas win - he deserves it was very needed for him - this year isn't easy for him.
Max didn't had any chance to win today, but Red Bull should be happy about final result - double podium and Verstappen is championship leader again. 5th place for Hamilton - not great, not terrible. But I think that with earlier pit stop he would have chance to finnish on higher place.

I think overall Hamilton has to be satisfied with the result. Going into the weekend, no-one really expected Bottas to win. And looking at the starting grid, I would have thought Verstappen would win, and the best Hamilton could hope for was second place, and so losing 7 points (25-18). As it was, the Bottas win was crucial for Hamilton, as it limited his loss to 8 (18-10)... which is almost the same as him coming second behind Verstappen.

Well I think it is but not fully satisfied with the results as we saw that Ocon tyres were okay without doing a pitstop so I think Lewis strategy was better for him in that moment and keep fighting for that 4th position. instead of pitting and losing 2 positions but ...it's easy from our point of view to judge but on those moment you rarely get a 2nd chance to think so every decision must be on point.

The real big question is : Why did not Ferrari pit on the same time with Max and Lewis ? Because if he pitted then , he was doing a massive undercut and 2nd place was already locked for him but once again Ferrari strategist show us that they simply don't understand the undercuts.

Unfortunately, neither Ferrari or Mercedes has brought it to the end without a pit stop, with Charles Leclerc you have seen more clearly than with Lewis Hamilton that he has lost a lot of time on the approaching drivers Bottas and Verstappen, think Leclerc would have lost even more time without the pit stop, with Hamilton it was not so obvious, maybe he would have had a better place without the pit stop, the Mercedes and Hamilton are gentler with the tires than Ferrari, at least it looked that way.

[Cnut237]

One thing that did surprise me was the qualifying. I didn't expect both Mercs to be ahead of Verstappen. And even though he started from pole, I certainly didn't expect Bottas to be able to hold off Verstappen for the full race. I didn't manage to watch the race, I just followed bits of it on text, but it was surprising. Is this supposed to be a strong Merc track? If so, I wasn't aware. If not, then does it mean Mercedes are now looking stronger for the remaining races this season? Either way it seems fairly likely the championship won't be decided until the very last race.