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September 12, 2018, 04:28:44 PM
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Apparently the Mormons borrowed the Catholic playbook for pedophile priests...

Leaked Doc: Mormon Church Was “Reluctant” To Punish Elder Who Sexted with Minor
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/11/leaked-doc-mormon-church-was-reluctant-to-punish-elder-who-sexted-with-minor/



First Amendment. Freedom of religion. The church gets to punish according to their own religious laws. Keep the State out of religious affairs.

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September 12, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
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Apparently the Mormons borrowed the Catholic playbook for pedophile priests...

Leaked Doc: Mormon Church Was “Reluctant” To Punish Elder Who Sexted with Minor
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/11/leaked-doc-mormon-church-was-reluctant-to-punish-elder-who-sexted-with-minor/



First Amendment. Freedom of religion. The church gets to punish according to their own religious laws. Keep the State out of religious affairs.

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Pedophilia is not a religion.
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September 12, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
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Apparently the Mormons borrowed the Catholic playbook for pedophile priests...

Leaked Doc: Mormon Church Was “Reluctant” To Punish Elder Who Sexted with Minor
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/11/leaked-doc-mormon-church-was-reluctant-to-punish-elder-who-sexted-with-minor/



First Amendment. Freedom of religion. The church gets to punish according to their own religious laws. Keep the State out of religious affairs.

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Pedophilia is not a religion.

If it happened in religious circles, it is up to the church to do the judging and the punishment. It is also up to the secular government to stay out - 1st Amendment.

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September 12, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
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Apparently the Mormons borrowed the Catholic playbook for pedophile priests...

Leaked Doc: Mormon Church Was “Reluctant” To Punish Elder Who Sexted with Minor
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/11/leaked-doc-mormon-church-was-reluctant-to-punish-elder-who-sexted-with-minor/



First Amendment. Freedom of religion. The church gets to punish according to their own religious laws. Keep the State out of religious affairs.

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Pedophilia is not a religion.

If it happened in religious circles, it is up to the church to do the judging and the punishment. It is also up to the secular government to stay out - 1st Amendment.

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Just curious, where would you draw a line?  Human sacrifice perhaps?

Crime is a crime.  No matter if you are religious or not.

If people followed your logic, all the criminal gangs have to do is register their organizations as churches.  Then their criminal activity be protected by the 1st amendment, LOL.

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September 12, 2018, 08:30:04 PM
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If it happened in religious circles, it is up to the church to do the judging and the punishment. It is also up to the secular government to stay out - 1st Amendment.

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Just curious, where would you draw a line?  Human sacrifice perhaps?

Crime is a crime.  No matter if you are religious or not.

If people followed your logic, all the criminal gangs have to do is register their organizations as churches.  Then their criminal activity be protected by the 1st amendment, LOL.



No, it's where would YOU draw the line. Are you going to let government take all your freedoms away, even when it goes against their own writings?

The church is a government. The only difference is the writings. The church would judge anyway, with a jury made up of church people. So, let the government stay out, and let the church judge.

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September 12, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
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If it happened in religious circles, it is up to the church to do the judging and the punishment. It is also up to the secular government to stay out - 1st Amendment.

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Just curious, where would you draw a line?  Human sacrifice perhaps?

Crime is a crime.  No matter if you are religious or not.

If people followed your logic, all the criminal gangs have to do is register their organizations as churches.  Then their criminal activity be protected by the 1st amendment, LOL.



No, it's where would YOU draw the line. Are you going to let government take all your freedoms away, even when it goes against their own writings?

The church is a government. The only difference is the writings. The church would judge anyway, with a jury made up of church people. So, let the government stay out, and let the church judge.

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The year is 2018, not 1018.  Hello, anybody home?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9PYtmVybU


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If it happened in religious circles, it is up to the church to do the judging and the punishment. It is also up to the secular government to stay out - 1st Amendment.

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Just curious, where would you draw a line?  Human sacrifice perhaps?

Crime is a crime.  No matter if you are religious or not.

If people followed your logic, all the criminal gangs have to do is register their organizations as churches.  Then their criminal activity be protected by the 1st amendment, LOL.



No, it's where would YOU draw the line. Are you going to let government take all your freedoms away, even when it goes against their own writings?

The church is a government. The only difference is the writings. The church would judge anyway, with a jury made up of church people. So, let the government stay out, and let the church judge.

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The year is 2018, not 1018.  Hello, anybody home?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9PYtmVybU


https://media.giphy.com/media/wfVc2hDnDSZRm/giphy.gif

Obviously it's 2018, not a thousand years earlier. Check the timestamp on this post.

But if we didn't have a timestamp, we could tell by your devolution. You can't seem to explain your answer.

The real question is, has everybody devolved? Or is it just you?

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September 14, 2018, 11:54:15 AM
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I didn't realize there were people who seriously think religion should be in charge of upholding the law and prosecuting criminal behavior...

How is this different from Sharia Law?

Do you not see the hypocrisy?
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September 14, 2018, 01:53:58 PM
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I didn't realize there were people who seriously think religion should be in charge of upholding the law and prosecuting criminal behavior...

How is this different from Sharia Law?

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Law originally comes through religion.     Cool
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I didn't realize there were people who seriously think religion should be in charge of upholding the law and prosecuting criminal behavior...

How is this different from Sharia Law?

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Law originally comes through religion.

Lets just ignore the fact that the Code of Hammurabi is older than the bible

Some people claim there is evidence that the laws of Moses were influenced, if not directly copied from the Code of Hammurabi (I hear some sections are word for word copies)

Also note, the 10-commandments are not laws in any country on this planet.  The only 2 that are even laws (killing and stealing), were illegal long before the bible was written.  Killing and stealing have been illegal since before written language was developed!

Other parts of the 10-commandments have never been laws.  It is not illegal to "covet your neighbors ass", and never has been in any country, ever.  Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal
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September 16, 2018, 03:27:27 AM
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....Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal

Hmm....

And Facebook, and Twitter, and Youtube, and ...
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September 16, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
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....Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal

Hmm....

And Facebook, and Twitter, and Youtube, and ...

You do know the difference between something being illegal... and a private company removing someone from their platform... right?

The bible says thought crimes are worthy of the death penalty... has Facebook, Twitter or YouTube employed the death penalty on anyone for thought crimes?

I'm going with the False Analogy Fallacy on this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy
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September 16, 2018, 02:53:20 PM
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....Only the bible would declare thoughts to be illegal

Hmm....

And Facebook, and Twitter, and Youtube, and ...

You do know the difference between something being illegal... and a private company removing someone from their platform... right?

The bible says thought crimes are worthy of the death penalty... has Facebook, Twitter or YouTube employed the death penalty on anyone for thought crimes?

I'm going with the False Analogy Fallacy on this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_analogy#False_analogy

You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

The thing that counts is who has the power, right?

I mean, If Moloch says, "It's legal," but the rest of the people in the USA, including the whole government, say, "It's illegal," what happens if:
A. They send the cops against Moloch, but Moloch stops all the cops, and in a nice way, by simply resisting their strength and disarming them peacefully;
B. So they send the military against Moloch, but Moloch single-handedly stops the whole military in the same way he stopped the cops;
C. So all the people rise up and socially expel Moloch from every part of society, but Moloch invades all the lives of all the people in a friendly way...
Then, is it legal or illegal? Now we are talking like Moloch is a god.

Might might not make right, but might makes what exists.

If a company has the ability to kick you off their network, and they do it, it is legal, although somebody else might say it's illegal. If the government says it's illegal, but doesn't do anything about it, who cares? Essentially, in practice, it's legal.

How much more when the God of the universe allows you to be free, and allows you to badmouth Him, because He knows you are nothing, but wishes you would turn around and become something... so He continues to give you the opportunity to change, but you seem too ignorant to even understand what is going on, so you don't accept Jesus salvation, and will one day have destroyed yourself by resisting the only Thing that keeps you alive.

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September 17, 2018, 11:46:51 AM
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You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

That's not how it works... that's not how any of this works... where would you even get such ideas?  "somebody", "a cop", "a senator", cannot make things illegal just because they say so... we have laws... laws make things illegal

words matter... learn some

P.S. there is no law that says it is illegal to "covet your neighbor's ass", or "make graven images", or "dishonor the sabbath", or "dishonor your father and mother" or most of those 10-commandments which people like you claim are the basis for our legal system
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September 17, 2018, 12:11:18 PM
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You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

That's not how it works... that's not how any of this works... where would you even get such ideas?  "somebody", "a cop", "a senator", cannot make things illegal just because they say so... we have laws... laws make things illegal

words matter... learn some

His delusion goes like this: "Only God's laws are valid laws.  Laws written by people are not just laws and should not be obeyed (I wonder where the Muslims got their idea about the Sharia Law).  Only the Bible laws should be obeyed as they were given by God."

He omits the part that the laws in the Bible were written by people (if you can call the Bronze Age psychopaths such).  The writers of the Bible decided what to put in and what to exclude, then in 325 AD some old cardinals decided what to include in the Bible.  And there you have the finished product, created by the people for the people.

BADecker, you know why God is not updating the Bible?  It is because all the potential Bible writers are drooling, heavily medicated in their mental wards.

These days psychiatrists can identify the conditions all the would be prophets, seers have.  I bet you every US state has at least one Jesus in their mental facilities.
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September 17, 2018, 01:31:34 PM
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Ok, let me say something. Christianity is not a poison and neither is religion and let me explain why. Religion is a system of faith or worship, and there are hundreds of religions all over the world. In the current timeline, Christianity is one of the biggest religions all over the globe. Now let's go to what you said that Christianity is poison. I said that it is not poison because first and foremost, having a religion is not bad. It's a choice of the person himself, however, the way they spread religion is the stupidest thing I see every day. Instead of saying positive things about themselves WHILE respecting others, they bloody put down everyone else below them. Saying that their god is above all, their beliefs are the one you must follow, that you are a fucking retard if you're not a Catholic. Instead of saying Christianity is poison, let's say that the people managing the religion is poison okay? All because, they can see the posts, offending images that Catholics put up on social media and YET they don't do anything about it. It's like they're allowing those kinds of things to spread all over the globe, which really makes the image of Catholicism more on the negative. Instead of bloody preaching about how other religions suck, and how other people who don't believe in God suck, they should really start on self - reflecting and tackle on how to cleanse their believers.

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September 17, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
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You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

That's not how it works... that's not how any of this works... where would you even get such ideas?  "somebody", "a cop", "a senator", cannot make things illegal just because they say so... we have laws... laws make things illegal

words matter... learn some

His delusion goes like this: "Only God's laws are valid laws.  Laws written by people are not just laws and should not be obeyed (I wonder where the Muslims got their idea about the Sharia Law).  Only the Bible laws should be obeyed as they were given by God."

He omits the part that the laws in the Bible were written by people (if you can call the Bronze Age psychopaths such).  The writers of the Bible decided what to put in and what to exclude, then in 325 AD some old cardinals decided what to include in the Bible.  And there you have the finished product, created by the people for the people.

BADecker, you know why God is not updating the Bible?  It is because all the potential Bible writers are drooling, heavily medicated in their mental wards.

These days psychiatrists can identify the conditions all the would be prophets, seers have.  I bet you every US state has at least one Jesus in their mental facilities.


I believe what BADecker is trying to say is not about God, but rather that might is everything. What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false. If what he said was true, what happened to the power of the people? In the end, the idea that Rules are dead and People are alive applies here perfectly. Say that two persons are judged together because of a crime. Would you think that the one more powerful than the other let himself be judged fairly when he himself knows he was the one at fault? We, humans, are most afraid of punishment and the loss of power, so we would try, at the very best of our power, everything to win. This leads to false evidence, bribery of the judges and other illegal things BUT do you think the judges would think this is illegal? No, most of them wouldn't. and why is that? Because of the might of that party. Might can be defined not only by the physical strength of that person but can also be his/her political influence, financial power and other things.

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September 18, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
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What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false.

Perhaps an example would help?

A cop could not break into my house without a warrant, and tell me that alcohol is illegal for anyone under 80 years old.  Just because a cop or senator says something, does not make it a law.  If the cop were to arrest me for such a non-crime, he would get fired and probably put in jail himself.  I would have the right to sue the city for false imprisonment.

Sure, if enough senators get together with enough members of the house of representatives, they could write a law and make it illegal.  Then it would be up to the courts to uphold or overturn the law.

I've seen polls showing 94% of Americans want medical marijuana to be legal... does that make it legal?  Unfortunately, no... our government does not care what the citizens want to be legal or illegal

The point is, nothing is legal or illegal just because someone says it is... that's not how our legal system works... a city, state, or federal government can write a law to make something legal or illegal

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September 18, 2018, 11:47:13 AM
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What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false.

Perhaps an example would help?

A cop could not break into my house without a warrant, and tell me that alcohol is illegal for anyone under 80 years old.  Just because a cop or senator says something, does not make it a law.  If the cop were to arrest me for such a non-crime, he would get fired and probably put in jail himself.  I would have the right to sue the city for false imprisonment.

Sure, if enough senators get together with enough members of the house of representatives, they could write a law and make it illegal.  Then it would be up to the courts to uphold or overturn the law.



Your viewing this from the perspective that everything works in a proper way. Look at the idea of Marijuana. It's Illegal, and the government can say all they want that they are trying to prevent the circulation of it, and yet it's still there. Why? Because in some way or another, Officials help its circulation for their own benefits. And what better way to do it than using their power right? Just like what I said, Rules are dead and people are alive. Some people just take advantage of the rules since they can bend it to a certain extent without being punished. Doesn't this make it look that what is Illegal can be Legal?

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September 18, 2018, 11:56:22 AM
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What Moloch said about how senators, the police, the cops cannot make things illegal just because they say so is I believe to be false.

Perhaps an example would help?

A cop could not break into my house without a warrant, and tell me that alcohol is illegal for anyone under 80 years old.  Just because a cop or senator says something, does not make it a law.  If the cop were to arrest me for such a non-crime, he would get fired and probably put in jail himself.  I would have the right to sue the city for false imprisonment.

Sure, if enough senators get together with enough members of the house of representatives, they could write a law and make it illegal.  Then it would be up to the courts to uphold or overturn the law.

Your viewing this from the perspective that everything works in a proper way. Look at the idea of Marijuana. It's Illegal, and the government can say all they want that they are trying to prevent the circulation of it, and yet it's still there. Why? Because in some way or another, Officials help its circulation for their own benefits. And what better way to do it than using their power right? Just like what I said, Rules are dead and people are alive. Some people just take advantage of the rules since they can bend it to a certain extent without being punished. Doesn't this make it look that what is Illegal can be Legal?

I'm simply talking about the law, and what is legal or illegal.

If you want to talk about those in power being above the law, that is a completely different topic.  The fact that some people break laws and don't get punished has no bearing on whether the crime they committed was legal or illegal.

This argument started over BADLogic claiming things are illegal because a person says so... this is simply not the case... period... full stop.. end of story
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