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November 13, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
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And I bet the team greatly appreciates an unlicensed investment advisor peddling their unregistered securities. There is probably some country where that's legal so it's all cool, right?

@suchmoon Where's your proof that Atoms are unregistered securities? The Ionomy team has openly said that Atoms are not a securities... You should update your Bitcoin ION FAQ to include the real answer...

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Just because they say they are no securities doesn't mean it to be true. If the ION team was intelligent they would consult a financial guru to ensure that Atoms aren't structured like securities. They sure function like them. They're not loyalty based as they can be sold or transferred. It would be good to be on top of this but the team instead seems to be more focused on obfuscation and skirting the lines. They just want BTC. For BTC being so shitty, they sure want a bunch of it.

If the Ionomy team tells you the sky is purple, is that the case then? See what I'm saying? All words and nothing to back it up. Keep on shilling, you're pure entertainment.

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And I bet the team greatly appreciates an unlicensed investment advisor peddling their unregistered securities. There is probably some country where that's legal so it's all cool, right?

@suchmoon Where's your proof that Atoms are unregistered securities? The Ionomy team has openly said that Atoms are not a securities... You should update your Bitcoin ION FAQ to include the real answer that Ionomy non-blockchain tokens are not securities...

Q: What is ionomy?
A: Mainly an online wallet for ION and an ION/BTC exchange, with some non-blockchain features such as atoms, electrons, and stakers.

Q: Are community masternodes, atoms, or any other ionomy tokens considered securities in the US or Singapore?
A: The team did not provide any details.


15 U.S.C. §78c(a)(10)
(10) The term “security” means any note, stock, treasury stock, security future, security-based swap, bond, debenture, certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement or in any oil, gas, or other mineral royalty or lease, any collateral-trust certificate, preorganization certificate or subscription, transferable share, investment contract, voting-trust certificate, certificate of deposit for a security, any put, call, straddle, option, or privilege on any security, certificate of deposit, or group or index of securities (including any interest therein or based on the value thereof), or any put, call, straddle, option, or privilege entered into on a national securities exchange relating to foreign currency, or in general, any instrument commonly known as a “security”; or any certificate of interest or participation in, temporary or interim certificate for, receipt for, or warrant or right to subscribe to or purchase, any of the foregoing; but shall not include currency or any note, draft, bill of exchange, or banker’s acceptance which has a maturity at the time of issuance of not exceeding nine months, exclusive of days of grace, or any renewal thereof the maturity of which is likewise limited.

corresponding part in singaporean law 17 §03(b)


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November 13, 2016, 08:05:34 PM
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How are Atoms not securities then? Atoms were XPYBits. Where XPYBits not a form of profit sharing? You were giving the team funds to help with the business to later be rewarded. Am I missing something?

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November 13, 2016, 08:07:30 PM
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Atoms. In relation to Atoms based crowdfunding you acknowledge that your contribution (whether financial or otherwise) does not entitle you to any rights, including any ownership, control or intellectual property rights. Atoms is not a company share offering, but a loyalty and services program specialised to work within the Ionomy.com platform to reward its loyal members and help fund the development of the Ionomy.com services.
ref: http://archive.is/IxsVs#selection-1081.0-1083.426

actually you dont own anything  Cool all that word play is meaningless when the public perspective is what it is. everyone is expecting returns

I too have read the T's & C's...was a while ago though.

I would expect any reputable company to have T's & C's that limit their exposure..... I bet all reputable companies YOU deal with have a similar approach.

For me their T's & C's aren't a problem  Smiley

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November 13, 2016, 08:07:54 PM
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why do you care about singaporean law when Matlack is in texas and there's zero proof of them being a registered company in singapore?

Who on earth is going to buy all those ions you get in 6 months?
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How are Atoms not securities then? Atoms were XPYBits. Where XPYBits not a form of profit sharing? You were giving the team funds to help with the business to later be rewarded. Am I missing something?

@CryptoBuds Point to the wording in the law that says non-blockchain tokens are securities... You are missing the law..

Even your Bitcoin ION FAQ calls them tokens... Don't you trust suchmoon's real answers to ION???

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November 13, 2016, 08:09:20 PM
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I also need 5000 Atoms to stay in the Whale's Club or loose my Whale privileges and access to the Secret Information...
Ooooh, you have Secret Information that others (non-whales) don't get. I can see how this creates a lot of trust with potential investors and will make ION a raging success. /s


It will, imagine if people like you knew everything

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You've been trying to shill ION up while dumping it,

@suchmoon How can I be dumping IONs when the volume at the exchange is zero dollars... I must be flushing the coins in the dumpster... I'd like to see your proof on that statement lol



and I don't shill, I believe the ION investment is worthy and I promote the investment...

If you didn't purchase your IONs at the ICO, Now is a good time to stock up on them... Pick up 20K IONs and invest in an ION masternode or for the small investors, buy a couple of Shares in a community masternode at the Market Place @ https://ionno.de One share is currently paying out approximately 1 ION per share per week. Looking for some "small fish" and big investors to invest in an ION masternode. You can also pick up a few IONs and stake them in a wallet or on Ionomy.com to earn some extra ION coins...

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November 13, 2016, 09:22:22 PM
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How are Atoms not securities then? Atoms were XPYBits. Where XPYBits not a form of profit sharing? You were giving the team funds to help with the business to later be rewarded. Am I missing something?

@CryptoBuds Point to the wording in the law that says non-blockchain tokens are securities... You are missing the law..

Even your Bitcoin ION FAQ calls them tokens... Don't you trust suchmoon's real answers to ION???

First off, where did I say tokens. Second, why do you think I have to agree with suchmoon? Unlike you, I can think on my own and make my own decisions. Don't need to follow like the ION sheep.

Is that what they officially are called, "tokens"? If they are are like loyalty cards, why are they then transferable? I'm working with you here, trying to find out officially what Atoms are.

And it doesn't matter what they're called, if it acts like a security, then it's a security. Semantics won't affect things here. And I'm not saying they're securities, but they sure present themselves as an investment in a company that comes with rewards for doing so.

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November 13, 2016, 10:02:26 PM
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How are Atoms not securities then? Atoms were XPYBits. Where XPYBits not a form of profit sharing? You were giving the team funds to help with the business to later be rewarded. Am I missing something?

@CryptoBuds Point to the wording in the law that says non-blockchain tokens are securities... You are missing the law..

Even your Bitcoin ION FAQ calls them tokens... Don't you trust suchmoon's real answers to ION???

First off, where did I say tokens. Second, why do you think I have to agree with suchmoon? Unlike you, I can think on my own and make my own decisions. Don't need to follow like the ION sheep.

Is that what they officially are called, "tokens"? If they are are like loyalty cards, why are they then transferable? I'm working with you here, trying to find out officially what Atoms are.

And it doesn't matter what they're called, if it acts like a security, then it's a security. Semantics won't affect things here. And I'm not saying they're securities, but they sure present themselves as an investment in a company that comes with rewards for doing so.

When they were XPYBits, they were an investment in XPY.IO and the reward came with being granted 8 IONs per XPYBit. Now that they are Atoms, they are a limited resource (token) that produces Electrons and are tradable. Atoms are not currently definable in the definition of the Securities law and therefore can not be considered to be securities. With the nature of Crypto changing, a modification of the Securities law make occur in the future. So currently, they are NOT securities and are considered tokens...

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And I bet the team greatly appreciates an unlicensed investment advisor peddling their unregistered securities. There is probably some country where that's legal so it's all cool, right?

@suchmoon Where's your proof that Atoms are unregistered securities? The Ionomy team has openly said that Atoms are not a securities... You should update your Bitcoin ION FAQ to include the real answer that Ionomy non-blockchain tokens are not securities...

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Learn to read Sharkie. YOU are the one shilling them as investments, right there in that same post. My FAQ is based on verifiable information so I'm not going to claim either way in it. I can however have an opinion, and I can also comment on your behavior, which is very similar to that of an unlicensed investment adviser promoting unregistered securities. Take it as an encouragement to consult with a lawyer. You don't want to be committing a felony, do you?

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And I bet the team greatly appreciates an unlicensed investment advisor peddling their unregistered securities. There is probably some country where that's legal so it's all cool, right?

@suchmoon Where's your proof that Atoms are unregistered securities? The Ionomy team has openly said that Atoms are not a securities... You should update your Bitcoin ION FAQ to include the real answer that Ionomy non-blockchain tokens are not securities...

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Join the Ionomy today and get into the ION investment game early...

Learn to read Sharkie. YOU are the one shilling them as investments, right there in that same post. My FAQ is based on verifiable information so I'm not going to claim either way in it. I can however have an opinion, and I can also comment on your behavior, which is very similar to that of an unlicensed investment adviser promoting unregistered securities. Take it as an encouragement to consult with a lawyer. You don't want to be committing a felony, do you?

With all your research with your ION FAQ, you have not published an answer that Atoms are a security even after being told by the Ionomy team they are not a security. You also say I shill (an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.) which I do not cause I don't believe Ionomy is trying to swindle anyone... I'm guilty of promoting which is not a felony regardless of suchmoon's opinion...

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With all your research with your ION FAQ, you have not published an answer that Atoms are a security even after being told by the Ionomy team they are not a security. You also say I shill (an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.) which I do not cause I don't believe Ionomy is trying to swindle anyone... I'm guilty of promoting which is not a felony regardless of suchmoon's opinion...

Sharkie, your hard-on for my FAQ is adorable but completely irrelevant. I'm not going to take team's claims as gospel considering that everyone else (including yourself) is treating those "tokens" as investments.

And yes, you're a shill. Doesn't matter what ionomy does or intends to do. You're telling others to buy this awesomest "investment" while you're dumping. That alone is sufficient to call you a shill. All your lies are just icing on the cake.

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With all your research with your ION FAQ, you have not published an answer that Atoms are a security even after being told by the Ionomy team they are not a security. You also say I shill (an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.) which I do not cause I don't believe Ionomy is trying to swindle anyone... I'm guilty of promoting which is not a felony regardless of suchmoon's opinion...

Sharkie, your hard-on for my FAQ is adorable but completely irrelevant. I'm not going to take team's claims as gospel considering that everyone else (including yourself) is treating those "tokens" as investments.

And yes, you're a shill. Doesn't matter what ionomy does or intends to do. You're telling others to buy this awesomest "investment" while you're dumping. That alone is sufficient to call you a shill. All your lies are just icing on the cake.

Where is your proof that I am dumping? All you do is falsely accuse people and then say your looking for the proof of your false accusation. Back up your definition of the statement that "I am shilling" When have I dumped when there has been no dumps in the last 6 months?


@suchmoon Show me your proof that I am dumping IONs or Atoms...

When are you going to learn that Ionomy is not a Pump and Dump tactic to make profit... The value of the ION investment will show in time...

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And I bet the team greatly appreciates an unlicensed investment advisor peddling their unregistered securities. There is probably some country where that's legal so it's all cool, right?

@suchmoon Where's your proof that Atoms are unregistered securities? The Ionomy team has openly said that Atoms are not a securities... You should update your Bitcoin ION FAQ to include the real answer that Ionomy non-blockchain tokens are not securities...

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Join the Ionomy today and get into the ION investment game early...

Learn to read Sharkie. YOU are the one shilling them as investments, right there in that same post. My FAQ is based on verifiable information so I'm not going to claim either way in it. I can however have an opinion, and I can also comment on your behavior, which is very similar to that of an unlicensed investment adviser promoting unregistered securities. Take it as an encouragement to consult with a lawyer. You don't want to be committing a felony, do you?

With all your research with your ION FAQ, you have not published an answer that Atoms are a security even after being told by the Ionomy team they are not a security. You also say I shill (an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.) which I do not cause I don't believe Ionomy is trying to swindle anyone... I'm guilty of promoting which is not a felony regardless of suchmoon's opinion...

Crypto is one big gamble and I don't devote my life to telling people to say away from an ION investment... any wise investor will do their homework and research before diving into this investment. The earlier you get into the investment puts you into a better profit situation from this new innovate technology...

What is the innovative technology?

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Where is your proof that I am dumping? All you do is falsely accuse people and then say your looking for the proof of your false accusation. Back up your definition of the statement that "I am shilling" When have I dumped when there has been no dumps in the last 6 months?


@suchmoon Show me your proof that I am dumping IONs or Atoms...

When are you going to learn that Ionomy is not a Pump and Dump tactic to make profit... The value of the ION investment will show in time...

You're bragging about it yourself:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.msg16017382#msg16017382
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.msg16639370#msg16639370

There is a lot more but it's hard to track back because you delete your posts. Why do you keep deleting your posts Sharkie?

Crypto is one big gamble and I don't devote my life to telling people to say away from an ION investment... any wise investor will do their homework and research before diving into this investment. The earlier you get into the investment puts you into a better profit situation from this new innovate technology...

There you go, lying again. ION was sold far cheaper during the Halloween "promotion" than during the ICO. And at this time it is cheaper yet. So there was no "better profit situation" for those who got into it earlier. The team has a nearly unlimited supply of free coins and will sell them to you as cheap as they want to. I understand your desperation having sunk so much money into this pit but lying about it is not going to make it more valuable.

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Where is your proof that I am dumping? All you do is falsely accuse people and then say your looking for the proof of your false accusation. Back up your definition of the statement that "I am shilling" When have I dumped when there has been no dumps in the last 6 months?


@suchmoon Show me your proof that I am dumping IONs or Atoms...

When are you going to learn that Ionomy is not a Pump and Dump tactic to make profit... The value of the ION investment will show in time...

@suchmoon Where is the hard proof I am dumping IONs??? Showing that I made profit from day trading IONs which I do is not showing that I am dumping when the exchange shows no dumping???

If I was dumping for the last six month I should of run out of IONs and Atoms??? why am I still one of the top ten investors on the Leader Board?


@suchmoon Just admit you make false accusation to justify your definition of somebody shilling when they promote an investment you spend time trying to dig up dirt and make it look bad!!!

SHOW THE HARD PROOF I AM DUMPING IONs & Atoms...  Stay on topic and prove your accusation of me being a shill

I use to have respect for you asking the hard question but I've come to realize that you are just in the game to prove your own incorrect accusations...

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@suchmoon Just admit you make false accusation to justify your definition of somebody shilling when they promote an investment you spend time trying to dig up dirt and make it look bad!!!

SHOW THE HARD PROOF I AM DUMPING IONs & Atoms...  Stay on topic and prove your accusation of me being a shill

I use to have respect for you asking the hard question but I've come to realize that you are just in the game to prove your own incorrect accusations...

Deleting your posts again... it's just making you look desperate Sharkie.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You've been bragging for months how much money you're making by dumping ION. I linked to two of many of your posts claiming such. Were you lying back then?

But how about a compromise. If the word "shilling" offends you I can use something else. "Astroturfing" good?

Or you can stop lying. How does that sound to you?

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Where is your proof that I am dumping? All you do is falsely accuse people and then say your looking for the proof of your false accusation. Back up your definition of the statement that "I am shilling" When have I dumped when there has been no dumps in the last 6 months?


@suchmoon Show me your proof that I am dumping IONs or Atoms...

When are you going to learn that Ionomy is not a Pump and Dump tactic to make profit... The value of the ION investment will show in time...

@suchmoon Where is the hard proof I am dumping IONs??? Showing that I made profit from day trading IONs which I do is not showing that I am dumping when the exchange shows no dumping???

If I was dumping for the last six month I should of run out of IONs and Atoms??? why am I still one of the top ten investors on the Leader Board?


@suchmoon Just admit you make false accusation to justify your definition of somebody shilling when they promote an investment you spend time trying to dig up dirt and make it look bad!!!

SHOW THE HARD PROOF I AM DUMPING IONs & Atoms...  Stay on topic and prove your accusation of me being a shill

I use to have respect for you asking the hard question but I've come to realize that you are just in the game to prove your own incorrect accusations...

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You've been bragging for months how much money you're making by dumping ION. I linked to two of many of your posts claiming such. Were you lying back then?


As in your true form, you have not shown proof of me dumping... unless you consider daily trading dumping???

You can not even prove that there has been any dumping of the ION coin???

@suchmoon your ability to prove the "real" answer is lacking creditability as this project goes further in time... Show the proof of DUMPING of IONsHuh

I'm going to make close to $20K dollar off of my Trump Ionomy/XPY staker. My profit will not be made by DUMPing IONs as a Shill for IONs... Making a smart investment in Ionomy is not made by DUMPING!!! nor am I a shill for making this wise choice to invest in the Election staker program with a small chunk of BTC... A shout out to MrCoins for encouraging the Iomony community to invest in an Election skin..

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With all your research with your ION FAQ, you have not published an answer that Atoms are a security even after being told by the Ionomy team they are not a security. You also say I shill (an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.) which I do not cause I don't believe Ionomy is trying to swindle anyone... I'm guilty of promoting which is not a felony regardless of suchmoon's opinion...

Sharkie, your hard-on for my FAQ is adorable but completely irrelevant. I'm not going to take team's claims as gospel considering that everyone else (including yourself) is treating those "tokens" as investments.

And yes, you're a shill. Doesn't matter what ionomy does or intends to do. You're telling others to buy this awesomest "investment" while you're dumping. That alone is sufficient to call you a shill. All your lies are just icing on the cake.

Suchmoon your quick enough to respond to sharkie but boki 15 has asked you questions made some serious allegations that you first try to discredit and then you ignore. Like I said before your slack explanation didn't stack up and without any evidence is bullshit especially when boki claims your part of the GAWsuit too.

Your right about one thing though, pretty much everything you post I won't believe as to me your a lying condescending bully that has spent 1,000's of hours posting crap on a mission of ill intent.

It's not me though you need to concern yourself with. You need to respond and let other people make up their minds as no response is a response in itself, it's one of guilt.

Before you start bleating on about my post being off topic. It's like I said before you made this ontopic as for the past 7 months you've been trying to link Mattlack/IONOMY to Garza/GAW. If the Mods delete this then to maintain parity they would also need to delete most of your 10,160 posts of crap erasing all your mentions of Garza, GAW & XPY on this thread.

Oh and to finish off the only thing irrelevant in you response to Wild is your FAQ.Your FAQ is totally and utterly irrelevant.

My rational is you recently created a thread called

[ION] [IONOMY] Worthy successor to XPY - 100% premined - Garza would be proud

And then claim the FAQ you put together is a fair unbiased assessment of ION/IONOMY. How long do you think you can get away with your antics before people start to challenge your credibility.... stupid , stupid , stupid  Grin

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