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September 26, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
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WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6

How is this not insider information? If a single ION was purchased by the whales while having advanced information is considered insider trading. Korvas just stated that he has been buying ION the entire time.

Could someone logically explain how this is not insider trading? All the word gymnastics going on about it must have me confused, my apologies.

It's only bad when others do it.


Whales have been constantly buying, whether there is news or not. They have been investing from the beginning because they believe in this project. Ion price has been fairly steady for some time, there is not really anything exciting about the trading. I think the volume in ionomy now is mostly from people buying ion's for master nodes.

I'm still not sure I understand why those whale meetings need to be "secret" then. If there is no "insider" info (?) and it's all just constructive development discussion then what/whom could it possibly hurt if it were made public?

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September 26, 2016, 07:46:17 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Insider's Trader information is quite illegal... Your accusation of "insider information" does not apply to this law...

pcminerx clearly stated that whales get advanced information that the rest of the customers don't get until a later time. How is that not insider information?


Show me where I said that. You are doctoring messages to prove your point, you do not need that.

WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6


I did not state "Whales do receive advanced information"  providing a link does not prove your statement is correct??? your link reference the answers from another whale you mistook for me!!!

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September 26, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
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WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6

How is this not insider information? If a single ION was purchased by the whales while having advanced information is considered insider trading. Korvas just stated that he has been buying ION the entire time.

Could someone logically explain how this is not insider trading? All the word gymnastics going on about it must have me confused, my apologies.

It's only bad when others do it.


Whales have been constantly buying, whether there is news or not. They have been investing from the beginning because they believe in this project. Ion price has been fairly steady for some time, there is not really anything exciting about the trading. I think the volume in ionomy now is mostly from people buying ion's for master nodes.

I'm still not sure I understand why those whale meetings need to be "secret" then. If there is no "insider" info (?) and it's all just constructive development discussion then what/whom could it possibly hurt if it were made public?

It is constructive development discussion as you say, also based on new developments that will be made public as well. Whales get the chance to discuss and give their opinion, and the team listens.
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September 26, 2016, 07:55:54 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Where did I say that whales get advanced information?

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Straight from your post a couple pages back. Memory problems perhaps?

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September 26, 2016, 07:57:37 PM
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WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6

How is this not insider information? If a single ION was purchased by the whales while having advanced information is considered insider trading. Korvas just stated that he has been buying ION the entire time.

Could someone logically explain how this is not insider trading? All the word gymnastics going on about it must have me confused, my apologies.

It's only bad when others do it.


Whales have been constantly buying, whether there is news or not. They have been investing from the beginning because they believe in this project. Ion price has been fairly steady for some time, there is not really anything exciting about the trading. I think the volume in ionomy now is mostly from people buying ion's for master nodes.

I'm still not sure I understand why those whale meetings need to be "secret" then. If there is no "insider" info (?) and it's all just constructive development discussion then what/whom could it possibly hurt if it were made public?

It is constructive development discussion as you say, also based on new developments that will be made public as well. Whales get the chance to discuss and give their opinion, and the team listens.

Ok, but that's not really an answer to my question. If there is no insider info, i.e. whales don't have any distinct benefit from that discussion then it would seem whales wouldn't care if/when that info is made public. So why not make it public? Like immediately after the meeting, if not live? Wouldn't the small investors appreciate that, or am I again missing the boat here by trying to apply conventional logic?

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September 26, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Where did I say that whales get advanced information?

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Straight from your post a couple pages back. Memory problems perhaps?


Well getting info in advance is not getting advanced info.
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September 26, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Insider's Trader information is quite illegal... Your accusation of "insider information" does not apply to this law...

pcminerx clearly stated that whales get advanced information that the rest of the customers don't get until a later time. How is that not insider information?


Show me where I said that. You are doctoring messages to prove your point, you do not need that.

Look at my post above this one. Are you saying you didn't post what I quoted above?

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September 26, 2016, 07:59:44 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Where did I say that whales get advanced information?

Quote
Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Straight from your post a couple pages back. Memory problems perhaps?


Well getting info in advance is not getting advanced info.

Now we're gonna get into word games.  Take a look above at what I quoted from you. Now you are saying that whales don't get information in advance? (advanced information is the same as information in advance)

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September 26, 2016, 08:01:24 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Where did I say that whales get advanced information?

Quote
Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Straight from your post a couple pages back. Memory problems perhaps?


This is the answers from another whale.. Where did I state any info in your link?  What you a trying to do is misdirect from the incorrect statement you are claiming were said...

or in simple terms "take the thread off the topic for the post"

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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Insider's Trader information is quite illegal... Your accusation of "insider information" does not apply to this law...

pcminerx clearly stated that whales get advanced information that the rest of the customers don't get until a later time. How is that not insider information?


Show me where I said that. You are doctoring messages to prove your point, you do not need that.

Look at my post above this one. Are you saying you didn't post what I quoted above?

I looked up. I never said whales are getting advanced information.
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Pcminerx: explain what this means then:

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

YOU answered that question. Straight from YOUR post a few pages back.

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So what can you tell us about the whale meetings?

--> There is a future for ion. I am really sorry I cannot give you any more details now.

Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Are whales getting more questions answered?

--> Correct, because they ask more questions.

Are any whales at all concerned about anything us "trolls" discuss here, like no transparency on the blockchain, no Ionomy PTE, delays with the game etc?

--> Not as much as in this thread but they still are. They are investors and need to protect their investment.

How many whales are there?

--> According to the leaderboard on ionomy.com there are eight now (5000 atoms or more).


pcminerx: this is your post. You stated yes to the question of if whales get information in advance. Did you not type this post?

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September 26, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
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Pcminerx: explain what this means then:

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Whales get some info about possible developments and can discuss about it in a constructive way. Edit: you were quoting me as if I said we are getting advanced info, but I think you meant that we get info in advance, sorry about the confusion.
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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Whales get some info about possible developments and can discuss about it in a constructive way.

And that would be getting info in advance that other community members don't get till a later date. Twist the words around however you want, but you in fact answered the question.

And whether you do or not, market advantage moves can be made with said info.

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September 26, 2016, 08:09:13 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Where did I say that whales get advanced information?

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Straight from your post a couple pages back. Memory problems perhaps?


This is the answers from another whale.. Where did I state any info in your link?  What you a trying to do is misdirect from the incorrect statement you are claiming were said...

or in simple terms "take the thread off the topic for the post"

Shark, learn to quote/link/attribute and you won't have any "misdirections". Most of your thread doesn't link to sources and doesn't show authorship of what's basically a verbatim copypasta for the most part.

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Whales get some info about possible developments and can discuss about it in a constructive way.

And that would be getting info in advance that other community members don't get till a later date. Twist the words around however you want, but you in fact answered the question.

And whether you do or not, market advantage moves can be made with said info.

Yes of course we get some info in advance, how could we otherwise discuss about possible future plans? I don't see what is wrong with that, also there are only 8 whales and they never sell.
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Insider's Trader information is quite illegal... Your accusation of "insider information" does not apply to this law...

pcminerx clearly stated that whales get advanced information that the rest of the customers don't get until a later time. How is that not insider information?


Show me where I said that. You are doctoring messages to prove your point, you do not need that.

WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6


I did not state "Whales do receive advanced information"  providing a link does not prove your statement is correct??? your link reference the answers from another whale you mistook for me!!!

It was your fucking post. Link back to the source then. Don't bitch at me for your disorganization. Your aggressive shilling seems to have gotten to your brain.

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September 26, 2016, 08:12:48 PM
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Pcminerx: explain what this means then:

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Sharkie here used to imply that whales get some advance info. Is that really happening?

--> Correct. That was part of the deal when the initial atoms were sold.

Whales get some info about possible developments and can discuss about it in a constructive way.

And that would be getting info in advance that other community members don't get till a later date. Twist the words around however you want, but you in fact answered the question.

And whether you do or not, market advantage moves can be made with said info.

Yes of course we get some info in advance, how could we otherwise discuss about possible future plans? I don't see what is wrong with that, also there are only 8 whales and they never sell.

Insider trading? With info in advance you can make market moves that others wouldn't think about cause they don't have said information. Why don't you whales understand this?

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September 26, 2016, 08:16:37 PM
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So an Atom is a token that gets you advanced information before non whales get said info.  That is straight up insider information. The whales can make buys or sells based on advanced information. How is that legal?

Insider's Trader information is quite illegal... Your accusation of "insider information" does not apply to this law...

pcminerx clearly stated that whales get advanced information that the rest of the customers don't get until a later time. How is that not insider information?


Show me where I said that. You are doctoring messages to prove your point, you do not need that.

WildShark states that whales do receive advanced I formation: https://www.iontalk.net/t/sharkys-ion-faq/224/6


I did not state "Whales do receive advanced information"  providing a link does not prove your statement is correct??? your link reference the answers from another whale you mistook for me!!!

It was your fucking post. Link back to the source then. Don't bitch at me for your disorganization. Your aggressive shilling seems to have gotten to your brain.

I bitching at you for saying " I said something" and now you refuse to show proof

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It's a benefit to all as the feedback given is based on a personal agenda of wanting Ionomy to succeed long term. Imagine if you were asked about something like say the Gravity launch. You could be lying in your feedback just focusing on whatever personal agenda you have. As you've no vested interest if it turns to shit you just walk away you've lost nothing.  

Multiple that by a hundred people then how do the Devs filter out bullshit.

If you have any better ideas on how a small dev team solicit feedback from the crypto market then lets hear it. The whales are just one datapoint the devs use to build a picture.    

Paying for the privilege of providing feedback does not make one smarter and more qualified to provide such feedback. If anything the "devs" should be thinking about the actual users, not a handful of whales.

But I'm sure you already know that, you're just trying to come up with some sort of justification for the money you put into this whale thing. I doubt it makes any sense to anybody outside of ionomy though so you might as well save your breath.

Never said that you did. I said that a financial commitment is confirmation of motivation. Of course the devs don't rely only on whales for feedback that's ridiculous. Whales are just one datapoint of many.

I didn't pay for the privilege to provide feedback I paid for atoms,electrons & ions but if asked will provide feedback as I've got a lot to lose if this goes south





Q.How does Ionomy solicit feedback?
A.People with Whales and Founder status have the option to provide direct "input to the platform" via their associated Slack channels. The Ionomy community can provide input to the platform via discussions in the general channel of Slack. Any member of the community,which includes the crypto and non crypto people, can provide their input (defects and enhancements) via email to support@ionomy.com. Via all these routes, the vast expertise of the whole community is tapped to strengthen the Ionomy platform.

Oh ya, the general Slack channel is filled with great ION discussion. Ha

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