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[DaZuru]

Wow! I did not read all of the posts here, pretty interesting for the posts I did read to get a feel for the thread. I lost a lot of money with "he that shall not be mentioned" and I am very grateful for the community to rally together and make something good out of a bad situation. I know that there is nothing I can say to change the minds of some of the people here, which I hope at least have good intentions to try and protect people. I wish they had been around when we were duped.  My experience with ION has been nothing but excellent. I think some of the confusion on the chart is due to BTC being the baseline, which is always moving. My spreadsheet tied to BTC and USD shows a pretty steady increase compared to the USD. Not to squelch someone's opinion, because I wouldn't want mine squelched, but I am curious why the continued bad blood is here when my experience is far different? Not sure my proof would change anything, but the FUD is not warranted in the current environment. Peeps may not be a fan of the games, but I think they are a proof of concept to get other game developers involved with the eco-system. I would think a colored ball match up game would be a hit, since my wife plays one all of the time. 

I would love to discuss this civilly if I could help clarify anything from my personal experience, but I don't really want to get in a pissing match.

Happy New Year!

Here is the main problem with your attitude, and one that will keep you on the losing end of this whole shitcoining bubble:

You're claiming that you lost money to Garza AND you're also "wish they had been around when we were duped". Well, "they" were yelling to stay away from Garza's scam except you didn't want to listen.

As for you being happy with ION... good for you, if you don't mind getting pennies on the dollar. Trying to rationalize this with "BTC baseline" is just asinine though. If BTC had gone up 50-fold in 2014-2015 chances are you'd still be praising Garza for providing a 2-3x return on Paycoin even if he pocketed the rest. In other words ION is great if you ignore the market, the risks, and the liquidity, just like Paycoin was great if you ignore everything that was wrong with it.

Yes, I don't like ionomy games. Trouble is - no one does, as evidenced by the lack of players and the need to buy reviews. The "eco-system" seems to be just a wishlist. If this utter lack of results in 2 years doesn't worry you, well... good luck.

This must be how you get people into a pissing match with you. My attitude is mine to have, and by lumping that in with a judgment about the coin and that I will be on the losing end, really is abusive. Sounds a little like Jamie Dimon on Bitcoin. The asinine comment is out of line. Demeaning my rationalization does not change my thoughts about valuing this to my home currency. I would love to hear a civilized discussion about how my thought process is flawed? As I see it, I am way ahead, and not just by pennies.

I wager there are different levels of predictions on all sorts of coins and their merit and ability to retain air pressure. It is true that I have earned and lost some from learning this crazy cypto world, I also don't protest to have all of the answers and do not protest self-righteousness. There seems to be some scorecard you are using to judge the merits of coins and or an individual's success? Maybe I give faith too easily, doing it again here and I will continue to have faith in the project. Is there something you follow and are excited about or is it just doom and gloom 24/7?

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[suchmoon]

hahaha...good to see something things don't changes, almost 2018...suchmoon is STILL posting on the ion thread

...holysh*t, get a life moron   :-)

As opposed to y'all geniuses hunkered down in your slack or wherever-the-fuck you're worshiping the team these days? BTW it's been 2018 for a while here, try to keep up.

This must be how you get people into a pissing match with you. My attitude is mine to have, and by lumping that in with a judgment about the coin and that I will be on the losing end, really is abusive. Sounds a little like Jamie Dimon on Bitcoin. The asinine comment is out of line. Demeaning my rationalization does not change my thoughts about valuing this to my home currency. I would love to hear a civilized discussion about how my thought process is flawed? As I see it, I am way ahead, and not just by pennies.

I wager there are different levels of predictions on all sorts of coins and their merit and ability to retain air pressure. It is true that I have earned and lost some from learning this crazy cypto world, I also don't protest to have all of the answers and do not protest self-righteousness. There seems to be some scorecard you are using to judge the merits of coins and or an individual's success? Maybe I give faith too easily, doing it again here and I will continue to have faith in the project. Is there something you follow and are excited about or is it just doom and gloom 24/7?

Oh FFS, you stated an obvious FUCKING LIE regarding your opponents not being "around when we were duped". Do you need a hug for that? You want a civilized discussion - don't start it with a lie. Korvas the photoshop expert knows all about it, ask him.

Again, it's your choice to believe liars and it's my choice to think that's an extremely stupid thing to do. There are plenty of coins with more liquidity, less risk, and consequently better returns. E.g. if you put your money into a basket of top 10 coins (by marketcap) a year ago you'd be better off today. It takes a special kind of shitcoin to underperform this bubble and congrats - you found it.

[DaZuru]

hahaha...good to see something things don't changes, almost 2018...suchmoon is STILL posting on the ion thread

...holysh*t, get a life moron   :-)

As opposed to y'all geniuses hunkered down in your slack or wherever-the-fuck you're worshiping the team these days? BTW it's been 2018 for a while here, try to keep up.

This must be how you get people into a pissing match with you. My attitude is mine to have, and by lumping that in with a judgment about the coin and that I will be on the losing end, really is abusive. Sounds a little like Jamie Dimon on Bitcoin. The asinine comment is out of line. Demeaning my rationalization does not change my thoughts about valuing this to my home currency. I would love to hear a civilized discussion about how my thought process is flawed? As I see it, I am way ahead, and not just by pennies.

I wager there are different levels of predictions on all sorts of coins and their merit and ability to retain air pressure. It is true that I have earned and lost some from learning this crazy cypto world, I also don't protest to have all of the answers and do not protest self-righteousness. There seems to be some scorecard you are using to judge the merits of coins and or an individual's success? Maybe I give faith too easily, doing it again here and I will continue to have faith in the project. Is there something you follow and are excited about or is it just doom and gloom 24/7?

Oh FFS, you stated an obvious FUCKING LIE regarding your opponents not being "around when we were duped". Do you need a hug for that? You want a civilized discussion - don't start it with a lie. Korvas the photoshop expert knows all about it, ask him.

Again, it's your choice to believe liars and it's my choice to think that's an extremely stupid thing to do. There are plenty of coins with more liquidity, less risk, and consequently better returns. E.g. if you put your money into a basket of top 10 coins (by marketcap) a year ago you'd be better off today. It takes a special kind of shitcoin to underperform this bubble and congrats - you found it.

Thank you.

[DaZuru]

hahaha...good to see something things don't changes, almost 2018...suchmoon is STILL posting on the ion thread

...holysh*t, get a life moron   :-)

As opposed to y'all geniuses hunkered down in your slack or wherever-the-fuck you're worshiping the team these days? BTW it's been 2018 for a while here, try to keep up.

This must be how you get people into a pissing match with you. My attitude is mine to have, and by lumping that in with a judgment about the coin and that I will be on the losing end, really is abusive. Sounds a little like Jamie Dimon on Bitcoin. The asinine comment is out of line. Demeaning my rationalization does not change my thoughts about valuing this to my home currency. I would love to hear a civilized discussion about how my thought process is flawed? As I see it, I am way ahead, and not just by pennies.

I wager there are different levels of predictions on all sorts of coins and their merit and ability to retain air pressure. It is true that I have earned and lost some from learning this crazy cypto world, I also don't protest to have all of the answers and do not protest self-righteousness. There seems to be some scorecard you are using to judge the merits of coins and or an individual's success? Maybe I give faith too easily, doing it again here and I will continue to have faith in the project. Is there something you follow and are excited about or is it just doom and gloom 24/7?

Oh FFS, you stated an obvious FUCKING LIE regarding your opponents not being "around when we were duped". Do you need a hug for that? You want a civilized discussion - don't start it with a lie. Korvas the photoshop expert knows all about it, ask him.

Again, it's your choice to believe liars and it's my choice to think that's an extremely stupid thing to do. There are plenty of coins with more liquidity, less risk, and consequently better returns. E.g. if you put your money into a basket of top 10 coins (by marketcap) a year ago you'd be better off today. It takes a special kind of shitcoin to underperform this bubble and congrats - you found it.

Thank you.

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kind of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

          1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20  1441%
Ethereum      $8.26    $763.79       9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24      34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53       5252%
Dash          $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36      2558%
Ion          $0.27    3.22              1192%

So you are right. I took a few of the best coins. I think Ion is doing alright considering it getting pretty close to Btc's performance, but just my opinion. I hope you invested heavily in some of these and took your own advice?  I did buy Ripple with some Btc dust back in Oct 7, 2014. Those 348 coins that cost me $1.32 are a nice $786. Actually forgot I had them. The talk back then was that Xrp was going to stay at a stable price for inter-bank transfers, so I didn't think it would rise in price. I probably could learn something from you, but your communication style is a little off-putting. Happy New Year!

[suchmoon]

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kinda of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

   1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20    1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%

"PC" meaning Paycoin? Which part of it was good? It started as a cover-up for a ponzi scheme, how in the world can that be good? SEC lawsuit, ring a bell?

Not sure what you're trying to show with the numbers there and I certainly didn't give you any advice, nor should you listen to any advice on the intertubes forums.

Edit to your edit: again, I'm not advising anything. I didn't invest in anything in particular but I ended up with plenty of different coins due to mining (like DCR which was basically a freebie for mining ETH/ETC). However that really bears little relevance to the topic at hand.

[DaZuru]

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kinda of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

   1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20    1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%

"PC" meaning Paycoin? Which part of it was good? It started as a cover-up for a ponzi scheme, how in the world can that be good? SEC lawsuit, ring a bell?

Not sure what you're trying to show with the numbers there and I certainly didn't give you any advice, nor should you listen to any advice on the intertubes forums.

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

[suchmoon]

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

I'm sorry, I can't let the blatant lie go. Hashlets were a ponzi scheme. It's well documented - I suggest you read the SEC case documents. Paycoin was a cover-up intended to hide the losses from the ponzi. There was nothing good at the start, the middle, or the end of it. Why are you trying to whitewash established facts?

[DaZuru]

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

I'm sorry, I can't let the blatant lie go. Hashlets were a ponzi scheme. It's well documented - I suggest you read the SEC case documents. Paycoin was a cover-up intended to hide the losses from the ponzi. There was nothing good at the start, the middle, or the end of it. Why are you trying to whitewash established facts?

You need to let it go. It is over for me. Read them, hope he gets everything coming to him. I agree with you. Not whitewashing anything. My dealings with him in the beginning were good. Not so much after. Not really relevant to Ion, IMO. My numbers above are relevant when comparing the performance of Ion to Btc and other coins as you suggested. Btc and Ion purchased on 1-1-17 and sold today would net 1441%, and 1192%, respectfully. Not counting Masternode proceeds. Your comment about DCR rang true for me as well, dual mining, like getting little Christmas presents.

[o0o0]

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kinda of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

   1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20    1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%

"PC" meaning Paycoin? Which part of it was good? It started as a cover-up for a ponzi scheme, how in the world can that be good? SEC lawsuit, ring a bell?

Not sure what you're trying to show with the numbers there and I certainly didn't give you any advice, nor should you listen to any advice on the intertubes forums.

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

your stats dont reflect the trueness of bitcoin.

you cant use usd values of all. at the begnning you spent x bitcoin to get ion, monero and dash. they dont have usd pairs. if you want to be true you need to calculate a starting usd in btc then show growth in that amount for all.

next you’ve picked a point in time that works for you. it might be your chosen buy sell time but it doesnt show all. ion floated at ico over double its satoshi value it is now. compared to btc holding value thats a huge lose in profit. you are speaking from fact like everyone bought at 1/1/2017 this is not true... are you ignoring that those buying at 45000 sat lost value holding compared to btc?

the truth is holding btc value was better than buying ion... this is fact are you denying that?

can you do your table again compared in btc value starting ion ico date? i can repost my stats if you like. id be interested to see if you agree and why or why not.

ion is on 1 exchange... 2 if you count their own. i wouldnt because any coin that runs its own market can taint it so it should be ignored.

if bittrex folds or fails where is ion? its only on bittrex because they paid the btc fee. its not there on its merits.

[suchmoon]

ion is on 1 exchange... 2 if you count their own. i wouldnt because any coin that runs its own market can taint it so it should be ignored.

if bittrex folds or fails where is ion? its only on bittrex because they paid the btc fee. its not there on its merits.

I think their own exchange is disabled, you can only buy (but not sell) IONs through their Shapeshift API. There is also an interesting question that no one wants to ask - where are those IONs coming from. But that's a different story.

And Bittrex is doing a Cryptsy... locking withdrawals and pretending it's due to KYC.

You need to let it go. It is over for me. Read them, hope he gets everything coming to him. I agree with you. Not whitewashing anything. My dealings with him in the beginning were good. Not so much after. Not really relevant to Ion, IMO. My numbers above are relevant when comparing the performance of Ion to Btc and other coins as you suggested. Btc and Ion purchased on 1-1-17 and sold today would net 1441%, and 1192%, respectfully. Not counting Masternode proceeds. Your comment about DCR rang true for me as well, dual mining, like getting little Christmas presents.

You're the one who brought up a bunch of lies and now I need to let go because you don't like it being pointed out? You seem to have learned this debate technique from the Grand Paycoiner himself. Lie, lie, lie, deny, deny, deny... As I said above (and you didn't like that either) - the attitude is the problem.

[DaZuru]

ion is on 1 exchange... 2 if you count their own. i wouldnt because any coin that runs its own market can taint it so it should be ignored.

if bittrex folds or fails where is ion? its only on bittrex because they paid the btc fee. its not there on its merits.

I think their own exchange is disabled, you can only buy (but not sell) IONs through their Shapeshift API. There is also an interesting question that no one wants to ask - where are those IONs coming from. But that's a different story.

And Bittrex is doing a Cryptsy... locking withdrawals and pretending it's due to KYC.

You need to let it go. It is over for me. Read them, hope he gets everything coming to him. I agree with you. Not whitewashing anything. My dealings with him in the beginning were good. Not so much after. Not really relevant to Ion, IMO. My numbers above are relevant when comparing the performance of Ion to Btc and other coins as you suggested. Btc and Ion purchased on 1-1-17 and sold today would net 1441%, and 1192%, respectfully. Not counting Masternode proceeds. Your comment about DCR rang true for me as well, dual mining, like getting little Christmas presents.

You're the one who brought up a bunch of lies and now I need to let go because you don't like it being pointed out? You seem to have learned this debate technique from the Grand Paycoiner himself. Lie, lie, lie, deny, deny, deny... As I said above (and you didn't like that either) - the attitude is the problem.

I've not had any trouble with Bittrex, but I have seen posts of people having trouble. I try not to keep anything online except what I need to take care of a task. That is the only exchange with Ion. I believe Ionomy is working on their exchange.  A Masternode currently generates roughly 723.21 Ions a month and there are 472 of them. That is 341,355.12 Ion per month. The masternode count was 448 on October 2, 2017. If someone sells their Masternode, that is 20,000 Ions.

I guess the part where I agreed with you was not enough? Bunch of lies? You can hang onto your hate for PC and GAW and Garza, I let it go. Life is too short to let evil people bring you down. I had hoped for a good exchange of information here, looks like it is not going to happen. I do appreciate the thought of comparing coins for a year back, though. I will try and hodl more!  I wish you well and hope your year is fantastic.

[WildShark]

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kinda of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

   1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20    1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%

"PC" meaning Paycoin? Which part of it was good? It started as a cover-up for a ponzi scheme, how in the world can that be good? SEC lawsuit, ring a bell?

Not sure what you're trying to show with the numbers there and I certainly didn't give you any advice, nor should you listen to any advice on the intertubes forums.

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

your stats dont reflect the trueness of bitcoin.

you cant use usd values of all. at the begnning you spent x bitcoin to get ion, monero and dash. they dont have usd pairs. if you want to be true you need to calculate a starting usd in btc then show growth in that amount for all.

next you’ve picked a point in time that works for you. it might be your chosen buy sell time but it doesnt show all. ion floated at ico over double its satoshi value it is now. compared to btc holding value thats a huge lose in profit. you are speaking from fact like everyone bought at 1/1/2017 this is not true... are you ignoring that those buying at 45000 sat lost value holding compared to btc?

the truth is holding btc value was better than buying ion... this is fact are you denying that?

can you do your table again compared in btc value starting ion ico date? i can repost my stats if you like. id be interested to see if you agree and why or why not.

ion is on 1 exchange... 2 if you count their own. i wouldnt because any coin that runs its own market can taint it so it should be ignored.

if bittrex folds or fails where is ion? its only on bittrex because they paid the btc fee. its not there on its merits.

I think is quite clear that BTC is the top performer in compared to any altcoin for Year 2017. How does ION performance compare in Dollars  for this same period of time?

1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20   1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%
PC/XPY     ?          ?    <1 %

Can anyone provide the  percentage Paycon coin has improved done for this period of time? I'm guessing that the number is less than a percent... where as ION is 1192%. Is XPY even listed on any exchange?

The wisest move I made was to trade in my XPY for ION and ride the ION rocket for the last two year!!!

[WildShark]

I don't think the improve percentage takes into account  the "free" coins a user receives from staking the ION coin via wallet or Masternode



Please note that the projected income will drop in 115 days...

[DaZuru]

Don't need a hug. Appreciate the liar comment. There have been naysayers for every coin. It started out good with PC and then went bad. You are kinda of changing my experience to suit your argument. Hindsight is really easy.  I will ignore the other troll like comments and concentrate on the one piece of advice you gave:

   1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20    1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%

"PC" meaning Paycoin? Which part of it was good? It started as a cover-up for a ponzi scheme, how in the world can that be good? SEC lawsuit, ring a bell?

Not sure what you're trying to show with the numbers there and I certainly didn't give you any advice, nor should you listen to any advice on the intertubes forums.

Dude let the PC thing go. It did start out good before the ponzi scheme, at the beginning way before any of that crap. Then it went to hell. Sorry, was trying to clean up the table. I took your advice of investing in any of the top ten coins on 1-1-17 and looking at the return today. You can listen to any advice, acting on it gets you in trouble.

your stats dont reflect the trueness of bitcoin.

you cant use usd values of all. at the begnning you spent x bitcoin to get ion, monero and dash. they dont have usd pairs. if you want to be true you need to calculate a starting usd in btc then show growth in that amount for all.

next you’ve picked a point in time that works for you. it might be your chosen buy sell time but it doesnt show all. ion floated at ico over double its satoshi value it is now. compared to btc holding value thats a huge lose in profit. you are speaking from fact like everyone bought at 1/1/2017 this is not true... are you ignoring that those buying at 45000 sat lost value holding compared to btc?

the truth is holding btc value was better than buying ion... this is fact are you denying that?

can you do your table again compared in btc value starting ion ico date? i can repost my stats if you like. id be interested to see if you agree and why or why not.

ion is on 1 exchange... 2 if you count their own. i wouldnt because any coin that runs its own market can taint it so it should be ignored.

if bittrex folds or fails where is ion? its only on bittrex because they paid the btc fee. its not there on its merits.

I didn't pick a random time to suit me, I based it off your statement: "There are plenty of coins with more liquidity, less risk, and consequently better returns. E.g. if you put your money into a basket of top 10 coins (by marketcap) a year ago you'd be better off today. It takes a special kind of shitcoin to underperform this bubble and congrats - you found it."  I am sure we could pick the best and worst dates to prove any point. I agreed with you that BTC was a better investment, at the one year mark. I also did not allude to everyone buying at that time. I also pointed out that "I think Ion is doing alright considering it getting pretty close to Btc's performance, but just my opinion." This states by reference, and by the chart, that BTC is better, but Ion is far from a "shitcoin", in my opinion. Don't trust internet opinions.  I don't think you read the parts where I agree with you?

The "trueness of Bitcoin"? I may need enlightenment on that, never heard that phrase before. I do understand Bitcoin, limited supply, huge power cost, slow execution times, etc. It needs to solve a few challenges. Yes you can use USD values, if you know the value of BTC/USD at the point in question. They don't have to have USD pairs if you know the Coin/BTC exchange rate and the BTC/USD rate at a given time. In regards to tainting the market, there has been concerns regarding Bitcoin and market manipulation (one article: WSJ: Bitcoin Futures Manipulation 101: How ‘Banging the Close’ Works), so I don't think any coin is safe from whales doing what they do.

[suchmoon]

I think is quite clear that BTC is the top performer in compared to any altcoin for Year 2017. How does ION performance compare in Dollars  for this same period of time?

1/1/2017   12/31/2017   %
Bitcoin   $963.06    $13,882.20   1441%
Ethereum   $8.26    $763.79    9247%
Ripple   $0.01    $2.24    34251%
Litecoin   $4.37    $229.53    5252%
Dash   $11.26    $1,043.70    9269%
Monero   $13.58    347.36   2558%
Ion   $0.27    3.22   1192%
PC/XPY     ?          ?    <1 %

Can anyone provide the  percentage Paycon coin has improved done for this period of time? I'm guessing that the number is less than a percent... where as ION is 1192%. Is XPY even listed on any exchange?

The wisest move I made was to trade in my XPY for ION and ride the ION rocket for the last two year!!!

No, a wise move would have been to "let it go" when you had a chance instead of shilling this shit for years. What's your real cost basis? Thought so.

I've not had any trouble with Bittrex, but I have seen posts of people having trouble. I try not to keep anything online except what I need to take care of a task. That is the only exchange with Ion. I believe Ionomy is working on their exchange.  A Masternode currently generates roughly 723.21 Ions a month and there are 472 of them. That is 341,355.12 Ion per month. The masternode count was 448 on October 2, 2017. If someone sells their Masternode, that is 20,000 Ions.

I guess the part where I agreed with you was not enough? Bunch of lies? You can hang onto your hate for PC and GAW and Garza, I let it go. Life is too short to let evil people bring you down. I had hoped for a good exchange of information here, looks like it is not going to happen. I do appreciate the thought of comparing coins for a year back, though. I will try and hodl more!  I wish you well and hope your year is fantastic.

Not sure how agreeing with me can make your lies any better. Again, if you want a good discussion then stop lying, stop twisting it into your narrative of hate or some other conspiracy against XPY/ION/whatever. There was no conspiracy that made Garza fail, it was a scam. There is no conspiracy that's making ionomy fail, and the jury's still out on whether it's a slow-moving scam or a slow-moving shitshow of incompetence.

[DaZuru]

I don't think the improve percentage takes into account  the "free" coins a user receives from staking the ION coin via wallet or Masternode

https://i.gyazo.com/bc577c47ebb535bade18c0b06ab33b43.png

Please note that the projected income will drop in 115 days...

True WildShark, I didn't take into account staking or masternode income. I would need to know the Masternode counts for each month, and estimate from there. I did take a WAG and just used current monthly amounts, so this is WAY off and completely inaccurate, but fun to see how it would compare. I am not going to try and put this in a table.

   1/1/2017   Purchase $   # Coins   12 mth MN Rewards   Total Coins   Price Each 12/31/2017   Value 12/31/2017
BTC   963.06    $5,400           5.61   5.61                   $13,882.20   $77,839.26
ION     0.27    $5,400    20000.00   8687   28687.00   $3.22   $92,372.14

With this completely inaccurate portrayal, Ion beats BTC with Masternode income. This is not purchase advice, just a wild projection on my part.

[suchmoon]

True WildShark, I didn't take into account staking or masternode income. I would need to know the Masternode counts for each month, and estimate from there. I did take a WAG and just used current monthly amounts, so this is WAY off and completely inaccurate, but fun to see how it would compare. I am not going to try and put this in a table.

   1/1/2017   Purchase $   # Coins   12 mth MN Rewards   Total Coins   Price Each 12/31/2017   Value 12/31/2017
BTC   963.06    $5,400           5.61   5.61                   $13,882.20   $77,839.26
ION     0.27    $5,400    20000.00   8687   28687.00   $3.22   $92,372.14

With this completely inaccurate portrayal, Ion beats BTC with Masternode income. This is not purchase advice, just a wild projection on my part.

If go down that rabbit hole you need to consider ION's abysmal liquidity for larger amounts (I can buy or dump 10 BTC at any time without moving the market, try that with ION), and also lower rewards for less-than-a-masternode amounts. Not to mention BCH, BTG, and other forks that added probably more than 20% for BTC bagholders last year.

[korvas128]

True WildShark, I didn't take into account staking or masternode income. I would need to know the Masternode counts for each month, and estimate from there. I did take a WAG and just used current monthly amounts, so this is WAY off and completely inaccurate, but fun to see how it would compare. I am not going to try and put this in a table.

   1/1/2017   Purchase $   # Coins   12 mth MN Rewards   Total Coins   Price Each 12/31/2017   Value 12/31/2017
BTC   963.06    $5,400           5.61   5.61                   $13,882.20   $77,839.26
ION     0.27    $5,400    20000.00   8687   28687.00   $3.22   $92,372.14

With this completely inaccurate portrayal, Ion beats BTC with Masternode income. This is not purchase advice, just a wild projection on my part.

If go down that rabbit hole you need to consider ION's abysmal liquidity for larger amounts (I can buy or dump 10 BTC at any time without moving the market, try that with ION), and also lower rewards for less-than-a-masternode amounts. Not to mention BCH, BTG, and other forks that added probably more than 20% for BTC bagholders last year.

Ion Jan 1 trading at $3.25 / .00024650btc pretty good when you consider ion is nowhere near it's value potential and Jan 1 last year it was trading at $.09 or .00010011btc

At some point this year like almost all the trolls that were hanging around here 22 months ago you will just disappear.... feel free to make a note of this post and prove me wrong.

About your photoshop snipe at me

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.6143

I hope your attempts in 2018 at subterfuge stay at the same level 

[DaZuru]

True WildShark, I didn't take into account staking or masternode income. I would need to know the Masternode counts for each month, and estimate from there. I did take a WAG and just used current monthly amounts, so this is WAY off and completely inaccurate, but fun to see how it would compare. I am not going to try and put this in a table.

   1/1/2017   Purchase $   # Coins   12 mth MN Rewards   Total Coins   Price Each 12/31/2017   Value 12/31/2017
BTC   963.06    $5,400           5.61   5.61                   $13,882.20   $77,839.26
ION     0.27    $5,400    20000.00   8687   28687.00   $3.22   $92,372.14

With this completely inaccurate portrayal, Ion beats BTC with Masternode income. This is not purchase advice, just a wild projection on my part.

If go down that rabbit hole you need to consider ION's abysmal liquidity for larger amounts (I can buy or dump 10 BTC at any time without moving the market, try that with ION), and also lower rewards for less-than-a-masternode amounts. Not to mention BCH, BTG, and other forks that added probably more than 20% for BTC bagholders last year.

True that there are no profits until you cash out. All spreadsheet make believe. I intend to hold, though. Like we sort of discussed, buying and hodling seems the best course of action for the long term. You make a good point about rapid selling of a large amount. Not sure I could impact the current half-a-million volume though. Like most trades, you can't be stupid and just flood the market. With patience you can sell. Just a matter of scale per each respective coin I guess. Still not sure where the whole BTC, BCH, BTG ordeal will go. The technical struggle for BTC will need to be addressed at some point I think. Wish I could predict which coin or coins will dominate 10 years from now. Should be an interesting ride for sure.

Almost got you where you post something without a derogatory comment, the Alice in Wonderland reference is borderline.   Freaking 14 degrees in Texas for New Years...

[DaZuru]

The wisest move I made was to trade in my XPY for ION and ride the ION rocket for the last two year!!!

I agree. Such a nice thing they did for a beat up community. I am very grateful.